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  1. zidders

    Of Daytona's & Destruction.

    A few days I was looking up info on the (in)famous destruction of Sonny Crockett's beloved Daytona Spyder. From what I knew the actual car blown up was (and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) a bunch of body panels on a chassis. Something like that. I commented such on a Youtube video of that scene and was promptly corrected by an individual known only as David H. who informed me it wasn't a full-size car but rather a 1/8th scale model. He informed me he'd worked on the FX crew that did the effect for the plane blown up in Best of the Best 4. I was skeptical at first but it's just such a weird thing for someone to make something up about. At any rate I was given permission to share our conversation here in full. Let me know what you all think. I will add that after looking at the scene just after the Daytona pulls into the beach area and just before the Daytona gets blown up it certainly looks like an entirely different area of beach. Dave H @Zidders Roofurry The TV show may have been filmed entirely in Florida but the Models of the Ferrari, and the seaplane were blown up in So-Cal by us, that's a fact. You are correct about miniature explosions being difficult to pull off, but my boss was a genius at that. Sorry, but the people that you say would know about this, don't know this. No fiberglass panels were piled up and blown up, just one Ferrari model in 1/8 scale. We got a rare bonus in that explosion because the smoking left front tire came rolling out of the fireball, it was a thing of beauty. I heard that cheers went up in the dailies when they saw that. I'm not sure how you can tell it was the same area of the beach. Ca. sand and Florida sand look about the same. They're just 2400 miles or so apart. It really doesn't matter to me If anyone believes it or not, I got paid $5,000 for the model and that's all that matters. Speaking of explosions and I know it's a small picture, but my avatar is a screen shot of another one of the explosions my boss was known for. The plane was a 1/12 scale C-123 Provider for "Best of the Best 4" Watch the full clip of that explosion at the end of the movie and tell me where it looks like a miniature. Like I said in another reply, It even fooled an LA Times critic. For some reason people get real upset when they learn miniature effects are used in shows that they like. That's the "Magic" of Hollywood...Ca. I would be happy to send you an email if you want photo verification? One more thing , Miami Vice was given the Testarossa, (2 actually), if the producers would blow up the replica car on film and they agreed. To Ferrari the replica was an embarrassment. My boss told the producers that the replica car was still worth a considerable amount of money so why not blow up a miniature instead? They could have their cake and eat it too. That is the story in a nutshell and anything else you may have heard about that that differs is wrong. Zidders Roofurry @Dave H I'm sorry. I believe you and apologize for being so cynical (and rude). As far as pictures you don't need to send me proof-though as a fan of the show I wouldn't complain about learning more about it. That said rather than send me anything it would mean a lot to me if you posted this info on the Miami Vice forum over at MiamiViceOnline.com. I know they'd love learning more about the series. Again you don't have to-you certainly don't owe me anything seeing as how much of a douche I've been. I really do regret the way I acted. I love Miami Vice. I only just started watching it again in October and it's reminding me how much of an impact it had on me back when I was a kid. I can honestly say it's helped change my life now. The show & music has helped me through a very tough time. You were part of that and for that I truly am grateful. Dave H @Zidders Roofurry No problem. Fans don't like it if they feel their show is being trashed. I don't know much more about the show because we only worked on the Ferrari blow up and the seaplane. We worked on a lot of other shows but only 2 MV episodes. I'm glad that the show had a positive impact on you but all I did was build a model and watch it get blown up. For some worthless inside baseball information, here are the coordinates for the filming location. 34° 1'6.10"N 118°49'30.16"W It was up the driveway in the dirt area in front of the house. for what it's worth, only maybe 3 or 4 people know this. Me, my boss and a couple of camera guys. Zidders Roofurry @Dave H This inside baseball stuff is the kind of stuff I love. I really do appreciate it. Please keep the folks over at MiamiViceOnline in mind. I'd make a post about it myself but despite this being in public I kind of feel like this is your story to tell, y'know? Also I found a similar house or area of houses on GTA V's California-based in-game map lol. I can't help feeling a bit giddy knowing this stuff. Dave H @Zidders Roofurry Although it might be fun to hang out over there I really have nothing more to add to what I've already written here. I only watched the show once or twice so you can't really call me a fan. My wife loved the show though and I don't think she ever missed it, I can't imagine why. Feel free to pass it on if you want, but crawl into a foxhole quick and prepare for incoming. A few years ago someone else posted this clip of the blowup here on YouTube. After reading all of the comments there about how the blown up Ferrari wasn't a real Ferrari but instead was a re-bodied Corvette I had to say something. I had a back and forth conversation with the original poster back then, except he ever did believe me. I went back to that post a short while later to show a friend the clip but the entire post had been removed. it was the only clip up at the time I think. Somewhere in my messy shop I still have the newspaper clipping of the TV critic pompously telling the story of the real vs. fake Ferrari, we loved that article. My boss probably used it to get more work, a lot more work. Miami Vice was just one project of the many that we worked on. It's incredible that there is still so much interest in the show after 30 years." It just seems too mundane & exacting to be anything fake. Not only that if you watch when the Daytona drives in and just before it gets blown up the background beach & sand is very different. The trees have that artificial look plus the Daytona sure does have that model kit luster to it. Anyways sorry if this dragged on a bit but I'd rather be overcautious than post something & stir up any kind of drama. Thank you for taking the time to read my note. -------------------------- His last message to me was, "was digging up some pictures for a magazine article someone has been writing about special effects and our company when I ran across a picture of the Scarab model boat that I built for the Miami Vice live action show TV commercial. The writer told me he is wrapping up the story now and hopes to have it done in a week or so. Since I don't know how to get pictures to you I'll give you a heads up if and when it comes out. The story was originally about Airwolf but blossomed into all of our work as he did more research. I don't do FB or other social media so I'm afraid the article is the best way I can get pictures to you, if he publishes them. If you don't hear back from me then you'll have to assume I'm full of it.". So, folks-I can't help feeling there's good reason to believe him. Plenty of other shows at the time (Knight Rider, Dukes of Hazard) used model cars for risky stunts. The car in the scene just before its blown up sure looks different to me now that I'm looking at it.
  2. may sound stupid to some, but tonight i discovered what GTS means. it means Gran Turismo Spider. Gran turismo, which can be translated into grand tourer, or grande routière. if you wonder what is a grand tourer. it's a car that is continent crossing capable, with 2 persons on board, and their luggages, in comfort. and which is capable of delivering a good engine performance regarless of the country speed limitations
  3. Check out this YouTube video: I was reading my email this morning and had an email from AutoWeek Magazine. These emails generally include a number of topics from their recent issue. One of the items that caught my eye was "This General Lee Dodge Charger Stunt Car is secretly a Crown Vic Police Interceptor". In reading the article, the above YouTube video was included. Don't let the General Lee stuff confuse you. If you watch the entire video, the 5 most iconic TV cars are shown and discussed. And, guess what is number 1 - Yup, the Miami Vice Ferraris. I have to agree with their choices!!! MV most iconic car.docx
  4. There's a city about 50 miles from where I live in Texas called The Woodlands, that has a 1972 Ferrari Daytona GTB/4 (one of 1,284 coupe models ever made) that I'm gonna go look at today. It's probably the only time I'll ever see a Daytona in my life. http://www.ebay.com/itm/311790612300?forcerRptr=true&item=311790612300&frommaketrack=true&viewitem= http://www.ecarlist.com/showroom/2234/photos/21738051#00 I'm so nervous and excited because I've never seen one and they have so many luxury cars there. It's gonna be sweet I'll be sure to try and take some photos when I get there of the cars they have as well as the Daytona.
  5. Stinger390X

    Fellow Daytona lovers

    Well friends...I am just about done looking for a Daytona. My frustration level is through the roof today! I was looking on the interweb in my varied locations for that special car and low and behold I found it! Finally...a good looking car with flares, clean lines, a standard transmission and proper door handles and exhaust. I have some money burning a hole in my pocket so I decided to contact the owner who is in Nashville. (I was just there three days ago) and am hoping to possibly see the car next week when I go back. Couple of minutes later I see another add for a clean car, coincidently the same colour, and low and behold - IF IT ISN'T THE EXACT SAME F*CKING CAR!!! BUT.......IT'S IN NJ? WTF? I have to chase down this ellusive reasonably priced car to be disappointed YET AGAIN? After over ten years of looking at junk and following fairy tales, I am really getting bewildered. I have a few shekels saved but there is NO WAY I am forking over 40k for a 40 year old car! I find one that may be workable and now its "chase the mouse" again. Why do these a$$holes even bother advertising? Three months to go, and I'll just put my boat back in the water and forget about a convertible.........................................................
  6. Ell.a

    Which Cars ... / Welche Autos ...

    During Season 1 and 2 Sonny Crockett drives a Ferrari 365 GTS/4 Replica (called Daytona because of Ferrari's triple triumph in Daytona in 1967). The Replica was made by McBurnie Coachcraft using a Corvette chassis and original Ferrari body parts. Sonny Crockett fährt in der ersten und zweiten Staffel das Replica eines Ferrari 365 GTS/4 (auch genannt: Daytona zum Gedenken an den Ferrari Dreifachsieg 1967 beim amerikanischen Klassiker). Der Nachbau wurde von McBurnie Coachcraft aus einem Corvette-Chassis und original Ferrari Karrosserieteilen aufgebaut. From Season 3 the black Daytona - which was blown up by an arms dealer in When Irish eyes are crying - is substituted by a white Ferrari Testarossa Model 1984. Though Crockett gets his new car in a later episode (Stone's War) the car can already be seen in When Irish eyes are crying. In this episode it's a mobster's black (!) car which will be confiscated by the Vice Departement later and placed at Crockett's disposal for undercover work. Ferrari provided the show with two (!) Testarossas which weren't of course used in dangerous stunts. For this purpose the Carl Roberts Motor Group build a stunt car using a 1972 DeTomaso Pantera chassis and Original Testarossa body parts. In the shots the stunt car can be regognized by its full drop center rims. The originally black Testarossa was revarnished white allegedly - to be better seen in night shots. Ab der dritten Staffel wird der schwarze Daytona, der in der Folge Liebe und Tod von einem Waffenhändler in die Luft gesprengt wurde, durch einen weißen Ferrari Testarossa von 1984 ersetzt. Obwohl Crockett seinen neuen Wagen erst in der Folge Stones Krieg erhält, ist der Testarossa bereits in der Folge Liebe und Tod zu sehen – in schwarz, als Wagen eines Gangsters, der später vom Vice Departement konfisziert und dann Crockett als "Dienstwagen" für seine Undercoverarbeit zur Verfügung gestellt wird. Für Stuntszenen wurden die beiden von Ferrari zur Verfügung gestellten Wagen gegen ein Stuntcar ausgetauscht, welches von der Carl Roberts Motor Group aus dem Chassis eines 1972er DeTomaso Pantera und originalen Testarossa Karrosserieteilen zusammengebaut wurde. In Filmaufnahmen ist das Stuntcar an den Felgen mit sehr geringer Einpresstiefe ("Tiefbettfelgen") zu erkennen. Der ursprünglich schwarze Testarossa wurde angeblich wegen der besseren Optik bei Nachtaufnahmen umlackiert. When Rico Tubbs is on the road in his own car, he uses a '63 Cadillac Coupe DeVille Convertible. Rico Tubbs fährt, wenn er mit einem eigenen Wagen unterwegs ist, in der Regel einen 63er Cadillac Coupe DeVille Cabrio. Two epsiodes flashback to 1980: Deliver us from Evil, Forgive us our Depts. Then Crockett used a black Porsche 911 Targa Convertible. In zwei Folgen, die in das Jahr 1980 zurückblenden (Und vergib uns unsere Schuld, Der Mann aus der Todeszelle), benutzt Crockett einen schwarzen Porsche 911 Targa Cabrio. For surveillance purposes Switek and Zito are out in a Dodge van, which camouflaged them. It looks like the utility vehicle of an exterminator (Bug Van), but inside it's equipped with the most recent (80ies) observation technology. Das Duo Switek/Zito ist zu Überwachungen mit dem BugVan unterwegs, einem Dodge, der zwar von aussen als Lieferwagen eines Kammerjägers (Bug Van) getarnt ist, innen aber mit der (damals) neusten Abhörtechnik ausgestattet ist. Lieutenant Martin Castillo drives several four-door limousines during all five seasons. At the end of Freefall for example he gets out of a grey-green four-door Chrysler limousine. Lieutenant Martin Castillo fährt verschiedene viertürige Limousinen. Am Ende von Letzter Auftrag steigt er zum Beispiel aus einem viertürigen, graugrünen Chrysler. Stan Switek can hardly be seen in a car. In Down for the Count part 2 he drives a turquoise '63 Ford Thunderbird for example. Stan Switek ist in der Serie nur wenige Male mit einen eigenen (privaten) Wagen zu sehen. In der Folge Am Boden Teil 2 fährt er zum Beispiel einen türkisen 63er Ford Thunderbird. Also Gina Calabrese is provided with a car in Down for the Count part 2. She drives an early 1970 Mercury Cougar XR-7 convertible. Auch Gina Calabrese fährt einen eigenen Wagen in Am Boden Teil 2. Es ist ein silberfarbenes 1970er Mercury Cougar XR-7 Cabrio. ****************************************************************** A detailed register of all cars used in the show can be found at the International Movie Car Database. Very recommendable! Eine ausführliches Verzeichnis aller in der Serie benutzen Fahrzeuge ist in der International Movie Car Database zu finden. Sehr empfehlenswert!