CENSORSHIP!

[Ferrariman]

In light of recent events I want to make it clear that there will be NO censoring or deleting of member's posts here on .ws The lone exception of course being if someone posts something crude or vulgar. I have seen post after post deleted or hidden on .org. Not for vulgar content, not for fights or arguments but just the simple mention of leaving the site will get your words deleted and possibly your account locked. And why are members leaving? Because of censorship!! The so-called leaders over there have nothing to offer and instead of killing members with kindness they continue to reduce an ever dwindling membership. Do you really think members aren't on to your little game of hide and seek? Finally, regardless of what they might think I'm not posting this to perpetuate a war. I'm posting this out of disgust for what that site has become. To the average member it may seem like everything is beautiful over there when in fact it's anything but! Members have told me they are not happy! Nobody has the right to speak their mind over there and since they can't post about it there I'm inviting them to post it here! Maybe when they browse this topic they'll get the message but I doubt it!

[Vicechic84]

I wanted to add to the above mentioned from Lou. Now I'm not one to get involved with any politics on any forums. However, earlier while I was viewing the 'other' site, and to my surprise, I 'convieniently' recieved a PM from the admin over on Org (you know who you are because I know you're lurking!) and I wanted to share this with everybody. Namely, because I wanted to clearly show that 'censorship' is not the only thing going on at the 'other' site. Behind the scenes is much worse with bullying tactics by the newly appointed 'admin' in Private Messages (which is why they asked that they keep any questions or concerns to PM's) Hmmmmm interesting isn't it in light of the events below?! Keep in mind folks, this is me replying (and only me). However, the individual below keeps referring to me as Lou. A little paranoid I take it?!).-- Previous Private Message --Sent by :adminSent :28 January 2009 at 11:51pmWe all know you guys share the account. We see it when it happens. All my concerns are the same - regardless who is using the account. You are to understand and adhere to the conditions of those concerns. If you do not, then the actions stated previously will be invoked without hesitation.Including the ones about administrative PMs.If you do not want PMs from the administration of this site regarding the administration of this site, then do not return to this site. Simple as that.End of discussion. ****************************-- Previous Private Message --Sent by : Vicechic84Sent :28 January 2009 at 11:47pmFirst off, this isn't Lou it's Vicechic! He does not share user accounts with me and never has. Feel free to contact him through his e-mail with all your concerns. As I stated in my original message whether you're 'admin' or not. I don't want any further PM's from you ever again! ****************************-- Previous Private Message -- Sent by :adminSent :28 January 2009 at 11:23pm Well hello, Lou. Thanks for confirming. You do know that account sharing and having multiple accounts is a big no-no, right? Stop sharing the account, immediately.Thanks for not answering the question in my original message.Anyhow, the only things that have been getting censored are inflammatory posts directed to cause harm to the site, it's administration, or other participating users, and any discussion about .ws. This is .org, and .ws is not on topic here. All public discussion by anyone about that site (both good or bad, as rules are universal and are not to be applied with favoritism) is "censored". Absolutely nothing else is being censored, period, and even if it were - it is no longer a concern of yours what is or is not being censored, nor does it require your approval or consideration as you are thankfully no longer involved in the administration of this site."Not bothering anyone" is quite subjective, and I have to say that PMing everyone in sight to tell them to go to .ws is in fact quite bothersome, and also not in the best spirit or interests for .org. Undermining the very forum you are a guest of is purely contradictory in nature. This activity is to stop immediately, and is not up for debate or consideration.Regarding messaging - As long as you are a guest on this system, you will continue to receive PMs from the administration in regard to administrative issues like the ones mentioned above. This is a condition of being a member on any public internet forum. If this is not a condition that you feel comfortable with, then you are free to no longer visit those forums.If the above items cannot be followed, then please do not return to the site. If you do return to the site and continue with these or any other usage infractions, then the account will be terminated, and you will be sitebanned at the router level.As I know you will copy this message elsewhere, please be advised that it is copywritten material, and may only be re-printed in it's entirety. -scr-**********************-- Previous Private Message --Sent by :Vicechic84Sent :January 28 2009 at 10:59pmI see you have been pretty busy yourself censoring everything in sight. Well, considering every negative post members are making you've been convieniently hiding (or perhaps deleting). As for me, I'm just a member like everybody else (not bothering anybody) so I don't expect a reply from you (nor do I want one) either. I would so kindly appreciate you not sending me any further PM's ever.***********************-- Previous Private Message --Sent by : srobakSent : 28 January 2009 at 10:44pmYou have been pretty busy lately. What's up? Thought this place no longer offered anything for you?

[Mr. Calderon]

Let them sink that place....that´s all...their decision, their dictatorship, their attitudes, their bull****...let them bark...better for us...Now the Vicers have choice!

[Ferrariman]

Well I'm so scared I don't know what to do! Hey genius, here's an idea. Have your webmaster check the IPs by doing a search on our posts (you have figured out how to do that right?) I do not share an account but I have used Vicechic's computer when I visit her and even then I log out and login with my own account. That's the only time you will see identicle IPs from the both of us. We share a lot of things but an account on .org isn't one of them.I also love all the big talk. Ordering people what to do and threatening them if they don't. What do you think, you're some type of government agency? You're a damn website, and a failing one at that.

 

What a dick!

[Richie Rich]

My money is on Lou in this one.Socialism in D.C. and censorship in Viceland. Well, at least there can't be a nationalization of Viceland. I'm glad I'm here. And - I'm staying. Take that, all you big government and censorship proponents .

[agent 47]

I just want to say these things,I have dropped a few d-words here and a c-word or two,but only to express my feelings on a subject,I only use f-bombs and other vulgar words when I'm quoting something,but I censor them myself,put little money symbols,periods in the middle of the word.Another thing,when I was at .org telling them the mix up this morning,the administrator was harassing me with stuff like"ohh,you cleaned out your profile,ohh,your trying to get people to leave"I told him I wanted to see the vhs section,posted my goodbye,(which he obviously deleted from some peoples comments) and left before the guy sends me ANOTHER message,he sent like 4 or 5.

[Ferrariman]

4 or 5 messages? Well let's see 'em! That's what this topic is for! P.S. watch out for the copyright police!

[agent 47]

Whoever it was could read my messages,so I deleted all of them before I left,sorry guys,I was real angry.

[Guest neworder]

My request to leave prompted this reply;"Well, things are far better now with far less BS and inflammatory posts than there were with the old administration, and we are working diligently on restoring all the old features and services the site used to offer. Things are turning out quite well, and will continue to do so, and will be sure to amaze.If you really want your account deleted, sure - but two things I will assure you: 1> deleting it would be a mistake. Better to leave it intact for when you come back (and yes, you will be back because...) 2> One place that things will "not turn out well" is anywhere that Lou is involved in administrating.Your call though... confirm either way"SJB

[Ferrariman]

Yup, I am amazed! I think someone really needs to wake up and smell what they're shoveling. The funniest part srobak is you actually believe your own BS. Nice job too banning Vicechic, I didn't know that not responding to an admin's PM was a banning offense. I said it before and I'll say it again, you have no clue how to run a website or deal with people and you just prove it more and more everyday.

[Pandina]

Yesterday I read agent47/john doe topic before it got deleted and now the PMs to Vicechic and neworder.I'm disgusted, literally, I don't know what to say because everytime I think they hit rock bottom they do even worse!They're truly pathetic in their own self-celebration, threatening people like "we have real cops in here as members"... so what? Are these cops going to travel to each and everyone's destination and arrest us? I don't think so. They can ban us (hey they haven't even realised that we banned ourselves long ago) or delete our accounts (mine is anyway totally useless to me), or just coddle the random 1 or 2 members who by chance stop by and contribute less than zero, I don't care: I've stopped asking myself "why". They're sure we'll come back to them, I for myself won't even under torture and if I do it means I'm going insane, so please take me to the asylum and lock me in."2> One place that things will "not turn out well" is anywhere that Lou is involved in administrating."True. When Lou's around and we're here all together things don't turn out well, they turn out wonderful!That's it.Now, back to my usual reading & posting activity here while I wait for the cop members and/or copyright police to come. Who knows who might show up...

[Vicechic84]

The latest turn of events is not only amusing (at best) but quite interesting at that considering I haven't made questionable posts nor did I provoke any written confrontation with 'Srobak' when in fact all I had kindly asked him to do was to stop sending me PM's (two attempts at that - please see refer to the 1st page of this topic). He contacted me. But in all honesty, I expected this much from you. You are so predictable Srobak! Yes folks, all this and more from someone who by his own admission said he was banned from several sites in the past. Hmmmm I wonder why?! And now with that being said please allow me to proceed to enlighten those that don't know his MO on bannishment/suspension. Yes, it's a 'step-by-step' process so read carefully and see if any posts you've made as of recent (or will be making) fit the criteria below.1) Let's start out from the beginning with your posts: heaven forbid you should have a negative opinion or any opinion that opposes what 'they' (or he) don't see fit, or it will suddenly become hidden or deleted.2) Then quickly follows a PM from Srobak waving around his magic wand of bannishment, threatening that further action will be taken if you don't clean up your act. You reply only to continue to repeatedly get PM's (one nastier than the other) and play into his hands (his intentions all along are to get you to rant long enough to work his last nerve so he can 'clip your proverbial MV.Org wings' or have you yourself toss in your own badge even before that to make his job easier). Oh heck, he's just looking for any excuse to ban people anyway so anything goes.3) This is followed by a suspension of your account which you don't know about yet: considering making your account inactive is exactly the same thing only 'suspension' is more of an effective statement on your profile when others click it on which is meant to intimidate.4) Then comes the actual suspension where you attempt to log into your account and surprisingly can't: (which I can finally proudly say "I AM THE LATEST CASUALITY OF!!"). This entails him going into your PM's and seeing what 'activity' you've been up to all this time. Possibly to nail anybody else on your PM list. OH BTW SROBAK I HOPE YOU ENJOYED ALL MY PM'S. BUT LET ME ASK YOU, DID YOU HAVE TO DUST THEM ALL OFF CONSIDERING THEY WERE SO OLD!!) 5) 'Abuse of power' (or power trip) to make a statement. It's an 'eye for an eye'. You banned me. I ban you. Make the bannishment for a valid reason not because you have a 'self-appointed' badge on your chest. Barney Fife you are! Dirty Harry you're not!:blind:6) The line "DO WHAT I SAY, NOT WHAT I DO" is appropriately fitting here considering your newly appointed 'Moderator' methods are truly pathetic! Hmmmmm strangely enough wasn't it the fierce new owners that said they didn't need/nor want any Moderators on that site? I recall the line 'opening the windows and doors to let the fresh air in' (or some gibberish to that effect) stated in earlier rants just under 2 months ago?! Funny though the air is anything but 'fresh' where you 'Srobak' are a Moderator! 7)And last but certainly not least the GRAND FINALE cherry on the cake: You know you're suspended but you decide to check in on the site anyway only to see yourself online, just like I do right now! But you still don't have access to your account because your password has been changed by the admin.And after all that I want to thank you sincerely from the bottom of my heart for continuing to 'shoot yourself in the foot'. KEEP UP THE GREAT JOB CAUSE YOU'RE SO DARN TOOTIN' GOOD AT IT!!

[Ferrariman]

But wait! Vicechic is online right now 1/29/09 at 12:28 P.M.! Or, is it someone hacking her account!

[agent 47]

Sounds like they have the ghost of John Gotti running the .org site!Seriously,banning you because you didn't reply?What if you don't know what to say?For some reason i'm reminded of what Gotti said about whacking somebody:"I'm not whacking him for doing something wrong,I'm whacking him because he didn't come to the meeting",hope you didn't give out your address,I wouldn't be answering any knocks at the door!

[Ferrariman]

Well not only have they hacked Vicechic's account but now they've hacked my fman account as well, (lol, what took you so long!) guess that blows the whole account sharing theory eh srobak? And just so you know, everyone I invited here took me up on the offer and were happy they did. I do have a question though, once you've banned everyone, then what happens? Do the 3 of you draw straws to see who stays? You know if Lex Luthor used all his energy for good he could've done great things. (it's an analogy, take the hint)

[agent 47]

You mean they can hack our accounts over here?!

[Ferrariman]

Nope, only there.

[DJWannaB]

WoW. Its a land of confusion over there!!

[agent 47]

Heck,they can do anything they want with my profile over there,list my occupation as a yuppie space pirate working for the gestapo,I don't care,I'm not going back,it reminds me of a lonely kid,they don't have enough friends so they hack accounts and pretend to be they're friends.

[Ferrariman]

Thanks for all your replies. Most of you already know this (and me) but for all the new members that don't I just want to reinforce what I said at the beginning of this topic. I am here as admin/moderator to serve the membership, not hold the site hostage. Don't ever feel that there's any question, complaint or request that you can't come to me with. I can 100% guarantee that it will be answered to the best of my abilities without any fear of aggression or hostility and you will never be threatened publicly or privately. That is unacceptable behavior for a moderator. I may have some special priviledges but I still consider myself a regular member, same as the rest of you. If I'm doing something wrong, I expect to be called on the carpet for it. We are all here to have a good time and in my opinion having a good time is still the best revenge!Thanks!Lou

[agent 47]

I'm glad we have you as our administrator,someone who is fair and balanced, friendly and non-egotistical,great job!Over this thing going on,lets put it behind us,I made a mistake trying to solve a problem over there at .org,risked a few friendships over here,they are a misguided and egotistic bunch,lets forget about this and get back to what we are here for,keeping the show Miami Vice alive!There's episode reviews on Mondays,which give you a chance to be heard out about episodes,Coop's scrapbook,which is a fun way to spend an evening,(by the way,I do call Cooper&Burnett Coop,it's just a thing I do after watching Twin Peaks too much!)I have been posting favorites lists on Wednesdays where anyone can post favorites on the topic(like favorite 80's films,crime films,etc.etc.)don't forget asking stuff about Miami Vice whether it's Tubbs medallion(Coop) or Crocketts pants(me),or posting threads to appreciate a film,videogame or tv show or just complaining about the weather,lets forget the other site,thank whatever(don't want to offend anyone who may believe in a different religion or is non-religious because this is a site where we put aside our differences and get along,and I like it for that) for a damn fine administrator and get on with Vicing.(this word probably will be in the webster dictionary in ten years or so.)Let's go posting!

[Ferrariman]

Amen brother!

[mjcmmv]

CensorshipI'm sad it has come to this, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised. What a shame. We join these sites to have fun, not to be spied on or "investigated"!Clear up something for me, please. When you say hacking into someone's account on .org, does that mean they can read all your PM's? or is there something else they can get a hold of? And how did they do it? Kind of destroys the whole concept of "private messages". And it makes you realize how vulnerable you are when you communicate on the internet. Be careful what you say because "Big Brother" or "Big Sister" might be watching!

[DJWannaB]

I'm glad we have you as our administrator' date='someone who is fair and balanced, friendly and non-egotistical,great job!Over this thing going on,lets put it behind us,I made a mistake trying to solve a problem over there at .org,risked a few friendships over here,they are a misguided and egotistic bunch,lets forget about this and get back to what we are here for,keeping the show Miami Vice alive!There's episode reviews on Mondays,which give you a chance to be heard out about episodes,Coop's scrapbook,which is a fun way to spend an evening,(by the way,I do call Cooper&Burnett Coop,it's just a thing I do after watching Twin Peaks too much!)I have been posting favorites lists on Wednesdays where anyone can post favorites on the topic(like favorite 80's films,crime films,etc.etc.)don't forget asking stuff about Miami Vice whether it's Tubbs medallion(Coop) or Crocketts pants(me),or posting threads to appreciate a film,videogame or tv show or just complaining about the weather,lets forget the other site,thank whatever(don't want to offend anyone who may believe in a different religion or is non-religious because this is a site where we put aside our differences and get along,and I like it for that) for a damn fine administrator and get on with Vicing.(this word probably will be in the webster dictionary in ten years or so.)Let's go posting![/quote']Well written.. Tony D, where are you!

[Tony D.]

I've finally learned to stay out of most discussions....except for the DVD Reviews.No, I'm not having fun, yet, on either site!