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Episode #71 "Death And The Lady"

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This one gets a 10 just for Kelly Lynch! :happy:

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For those of you who keep posting 10's for rating sub par episodes..........THIS is what a 10 looks like! :thumbsup::thumbsup:From acting, music selections, Jan Hammer score, story, ......Vice doesn't get any better than this.It's a 10 folks!

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This is a magnificent episode. The style and music in this episode are immense. I love the darker tones, mysterious music and dark storyline. It’s an original and compelling story and very moving also. The acting is all on top form, Milton Glanz is played extremely well and Don Johnson performs well. The scene on the boat between Crockett & Tubbs brings home memories of 'the talk' in Evan in season 1, with the brilliant jan hammer music and Crockett & Tubbs having a good chat. Overall I can’t criticise this episode, I’ve watched it more than any other episode in the past year and still love it just as much. Everything is fantastic. Another 10/10 for Death and the Lady!!!

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This episode is pretty sleasy & I wouldn't watch it too often. I have to admit the acting is good & I dig the part where the award winning director gets his lumps from Crockett. The MC in the opening had a wild jacket with the gold hands sewn on. I'll bet C&B doesn't have one of those in his closet! I liked the ending with Crockett leaving the trophy in the wino's lap. No real action in this one & because it's kind of creepy, I rate it a 6/10For this poll, I rated it 5.

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No real action in this one & because it's kind of creepy' date=' I rate it a 6/10For this poll, I rated it 5.
Why the change in opinion Tony D?

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There are episodes I feel are slightly better to merit a passing 6.

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I rated this ep at a 8. I really liked the way everybody from vice was dressed in bleu/gray tonesMusic was wel chosen.Funny was the scene with the remark from lt Castillo about the cat: What's that doing here? Crockets answers Evidence! And the look on Crockets face priceless.The scenes on the boat and the scene with Sonny and Glanz at the end of the ep were very powerfull.DJ was acting very good! I just can see him think during the scenes to make the puzlle of this case compleet.And this may sound a bit strange I find it kind of oke that the case didn't got solved all the way. In real life some cases are never solved.But I did miss a little bit of action.

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A 10. It's a got that feel good vice factor!

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Season 4 DVD Episode #71 Death and the Lady

This episode is pretty sleasy & I wouldn't watch it too often. I have to admit the acting is good & I dig the part where the award winning director gets his lumps from Crockett. The MC in the opening had a wild jacket with the gold hands sewn on. I'll bet C&B doesn't have one of those in his closet! I liked the ending with Crockett leaving the trophy in the wino's lap. No real action in this one & because it's kind of creepy' date=' I rate it a 6/10For this poll, I rated it 5.
I agree, Tony. It is creepy and I disliked it intensely. It's an episode I avoid when I pick one I want to watch. I gave it a 4/10.

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My original review 02 October 2007I like this episode. It's slightly different than most MV episodes: No drugs or guns. I rate it a 9. One comment: on a 1996 Zenith 27" TV the dark scenes are too dark and you can't see what's going on if the sun is shining. On a 2007 Toshiba 20' TV you can. Since this is an episode I watch a lot, I find myself watching it on the 20" most of the time. I like how this one starts although Max Headroom is annoying but then I never did like Max Headroom. I guess he was dressed appropriately with all the arms and hands on him they definitely looked like Ladies' hands. The music playing "Vet for the Insane?" fits the mood perfectly. The focus is on the knife not who is carrying the knife, and the lady. Then just as the knife comes down we cut to Max. Trudy and Gina looked appropriately dressed for the 'sleaze ball' I like the by play among the OCB gang. Crockett has Gina log-in evidence, Tubbs backs Crockett up. Obviously Rico is in on The surprise Sonny has for Gina a cat to replace her lost one. (Could the lost cat be the pretty white cat we saw in bought and Paid for?) This was a cute way of having the cat at OCB. I noticed later when Crockett is agitated he's stroking the cat to calm down. It's also interesting to see how obsessed Sonny becomes with the case when he doesn't even want to pursue it at the beginning. - nice transition. We also get a little background story about Crockett. This little talk reminds me of a talk Sonny had with Rico in Evan. I also like Crockett slapping Glance around at the end. I also liked the way he interrogated the sister, and then tried to comfort her after she admitted to what was done to her sister. The music was good in this one. The one at the beginning (I think "Vet for the Insane".) In the Peep show place ("The Dream ") was nice and slinky sounding). The one used at the festival on the roof top. ("Pleasure Little Treasure") was good and the one where Crockett is driving toward Glance's house (Edge of Town) seemed to be good as it also seemed to be the edge of Crockett's control. The Scenery was good: The beginning shots of the festival screening outside; Glance's place where he was working; The interior shot of the entry way to his residence;That wonderful shot on the roof top where you can see I think Biscayne Bay through the reflection in the window glass; (It took me a few minutes to realize that was a reflection and not a shot through the dark glass.); The scene on the St.Vitus with the full moon over the bay; & Crockett's drive through Miami to Glance's residence. I even liked the outside alleyway where the wino is drinking, and Crockett gives him the Stocking slipper award and walks disgustedly away although I'm still bothered that he left his beloved Testarossa in the alley. 3/9/2010 - I still like this episode alot, and on our new tv we can see it nicely even when the sun is shining. I'm not sure though this episode deserves as high of a rating as I gave it innitially. I'm going to give it a rating of 8. I'm rating it this high, for the story, the scenery, the music, and getting another glimpse of Sonny's background and personal relationships with Gina and Rico. I still have a problem with Crockett leaving his expensive car in that down trodden neighborhood, although I guess it just shows how bothered Sonny was with Glance getting away with it. I also loved the shot of the Miami Beach Police Station in SouthBeach. My favorite shot still has to be the one at the festival with the reflection of the Biscayne Bay?

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I think it´s a strange and confusing ep. Not one of my favorites, and like others, I asked myself what the cat was doing in the office.I gave it a 4.

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This one if one of my fav epi. Many goodies in this one....great acting from Don Johnson and also Milton Glanz, the scene with Crockett & Tubbs on the boat, the Jan Hammer score, Kelly Lynch and the best is the drive with the testarossa in the end underscored with The Edge of Town by the Truth10/10 from me

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Those of you singing the praises of this ep could not be more right.Death and the Lady is nothing short of a masterpiece. Vice at it's very best.10/10I'll write more later.

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nice chicks and i've got to get a copy of that film the Twins! A 9

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Persol RecyclingI did like the fact that the Persols were 'recycled' to other characters in this episode....

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Penelope Ann Miller was gorgeous, and Crockett hugging her as she broke down was heart-breaking.It was also nice to see a lighter side to the team with the kitten scene, especially given the creepy main storyline.Sonny and Rico talking on the boat was a rare pleasure. As a kid I liked action more, but now I wish they had done more episodes like this which explored their emotions a bit more.One of my favorite episodes. Great score by Jan too.

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This is a strong episode all round.The only flaw that mars it for me is using of clashing stock footage near the end.So,that why I give it only 9,but it would have been a solid 10 if this blemish hadn't been there.One question : Has the Jan Hammer's score for that episode ever been released?I just can't find out the title of the main track that was used throughout the episode I'm talking about the one that was playing at the very last seconds while Crockett was walking away.

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As a kid I liked action more' date=' but now I wish they had done more episodes like this which explored their emotions a bit more.[/quote']I can relate to what you're saying, Fakespyder. As a teenager, growing up with Vice, the action episodes were my favourites and the tamer ones which stronger storylines and character development were not. However as I have got older and like everyone, my experience and understanding has broadened, I appreciate the acting, character development, and dialogue more and more.With it's wayward inconsistency, Season 4 managed to produce it's first gem of the season with this episode. Great storyline, and great execution. Definitely an episode for Depeche Mode fans as well (are you reading this Gina? ;) ) The song at the beginning of the episode, "Vet for the insane" was very apt. It's very dark, yet also sleazy, and reflects the whole subject matter of Glanz's film perfectly i.e the conflation of sex and death as erotic.Great acting by DJ in this episode. This is again one of those episodes where Crockett's opinion and perceptions go through a complete sea-change during the episode, and in this way it was reminiscent of "Forgive us our debts". The turning point for Crockett appears to be Knox's frustrated explosion in the hotel room, where he breaks down and tells them how he witnessed the murder. Crockett realises at this point that Knox's defences are down and therefore anything he says has to be real. Knox probably also unwittingly fired up Crockett's motivation to get to the truth with a bit of reverse psychology "you cops always let guys like that get away with murder".The ambiguity of whether or not Glanz actually did commit murder or not further fuels Crockett's motivation. Particularly when Glanz produces Margo "Dead eyes" Froch at the party. This is followed up by a great piece of silent acting between DJ and Gilfoyle, where after cutting the cake, Glanz gives Crockett a sardonic "yeah I committed murder, but you've got nothing on me" grin, and Crockett stares back at him as if to say "We'll see about that".By this point the ambiguity and the desire to wipe the smug smile from Glanz's face drives Crockett to the point of obsession, where we see him ruminating on the case alone on his boat. His whole broody attitude "you want something particular, Rico?", gives the impression that he needs to be alone, to try and make sense of the case in his head. He only lightens up once Rico's presence helps to act as a soundboard for the olive branch his brain gives him with the "edge numbers" theory. Crockett also reveals another reason for his desire to get to the truth with a metaphor from his past. In the same way that he wanted to protect and look out for the girl from High school, he also wants to do right by the supposed victim in the case, also a young woman.The end scene was a classic. An ending just as dark as it's beginning, with Crockett driven to the edge of his professional conduct. Notice also how he walks right past the Testarossa as he leaves Glanz's residence. Clearly he needs some time to walk off his anger.Some other points. Great view of Miami Beach police department. When you first see Glanz next to the gun statue, you can see a bit of the Kenmore (now the Best Western) hotel in the background. This is where the Savage stayed in the episode of the same name, and also where I stayed a couple of times when visiting Miami. The "Wankers aweigh" neon in the sex club was cut out in original the BBC (UK) version. The word has a stronger impact over here where it's meaning is more well known.I agree that the use of old stock footage from Season 3 was a huge goof in what was otherwise a great scene, and to me it just strikes of laziness. On the whole, I'll give this one 8 out of 10.

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This episode kept me somewhat intrigued, so it get a 6 from me. But I found it has more morbid feel to it in contrast with other eps, hence the lower vote that I gave it.

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Not a big fan of this one.5/10

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I did enjoy this one,the dark story and a really strong performance from don johnson.The end while i like it is a bit far fetched-would he get away with beating the crap out of the director-and also NO ONE would leave a testarossa parked in a wino/crack alley at like 2.am and just walk away leaving it there lol.

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One of my new favourite MV episodes! You might not like this if you want to see shootouts, beaches and pop songs..But if you want to see a sleazy character driven story then this is for you..haI'm trying to think of my favourite scenes but 20 come to my head off the bat. The Long take of the OCB with the cat is awesome:clap: crockett's anecdote about a girl he knew in school, on his boat..Paul guilfoyle is perfectly creepy, The edge of town montage at the end is just cool and one of the highlights of all of season 4, did anyone else find crockett turning his head and staring into the camera overly cheesy & then the music ramps up as he speeds away in the testerossa :p Thats the thing about Vice..It can be cheesy-cool..not many shows can pull that off. You can tell the editor found that season 3 footage and thought "ah hell with it, so what if its a goof..its badass"10/10

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a big fan 10 for a great episode,especially for Crockett's face slap's at the ending:clap:

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Love this episode! It's wild, bizarre, tragic, eye-opening, captivating, and mesmerizing!  :glossy:   Ahh...the old urban legend of a "snuff" film turning out to be a real snuff flick! Several shows have done an episode regarding this idea--Silk Stalkings and CSI to name a couple. But, it always makes for an interesting episode and "MV" does not disappoint! This episode really delved into the seedy, destructive, realistic, and I'll even venture to say evil aspects of porn, and the disgusting lengths some will go to to make a buck.  The acting, especially by Don Johnson, was superb! I love the scene where Crockett really looks at the video of the porn movie, and realizes by the girl's eyes that...she's dead! :eek: I thought guest-star Penelope Ann Miller also did an outstanding, heart-wrenching job! :clap: I loved the wild plot twists, and trying to figure out which girl was the dead one (Laurie Swan, Amy Rider, or Margo), and whether they all were alive...or dead! The bizarre and whacked out announcer at the beginning, with the gold hands sewn on his suit coat, was an eye-popping, majorly perverted, but interesting touch to really draw you in from the start! Guest-star Paul Guilfoyle is a superb actor...and I've seen him in several other things, but he'll always be Capt. Jim Brass on CSI to me. :) But, he is outstanding in this episode as porn producer/artist Milton Glantz! He's perfectly bizarre, sleezy, majorly creepy...even possibly mentally disturbed! But, anyone who agrees to actually have a girl killed (dying of cancer or not) in a sick porn movie is not exactly running on all cylinders. :pThe other guest-stars in this were also awesome...from Miguel Ferrer, Kelly Lynch, Penelope Ann Miller (as I stated earlier above), Michael David Morrison, etc... The colors of the sets, inside rooms, buildings, lighting, neon lights, etc...were all superb!! :clap: I love the colors of Glanz's (Guilfoyle) photography studio...where he took that bum from the outside alley and wrapped him up in plastic, splattering him with red paint to simulate blood. Besides that "twisted" scene, the teal walls/ceiling and pink chair & love seat totally made that room! :cool: I really liked most of the colors and lighting used for this episode--very captivating, wild, and eye-catching.Also, I laughed my butt off at the bag lady in the alley...as Crockett was showing up at Glantz's and his camera people were taking the bum inside. What the heck was up with her walk? She just kind of had this bizarre, spastic-like waddle from side-to-side as she drug this garbage bag behind her. :) The music in this one was outstanding! As always Jan Hammer's themes and songs were awesome and truly "MV"! But the Depeche Mode songs in this were absolutely superb--Never Let Me Down Again and Pleasure, Little Treasure! But, I love Depeche Mode period...so of course I'm going to enjoy those. But, other awesome songs included the "haunting" The Edge of Town by The Truth, Vet For the Insane by Fields of the Nephilim, and The Story Never Ends by Naked Prey. :radio:However, one aspect that didn't set quite right for me was the pastels missing from the fashion or wardrobe. Everyone seems to be dressed in darker tones...and that's just not "MV". But, I think this was around the time that Dick Wolf was changing things--including the colors of the clothes. But, I do like Crockett's hairstyle better than season 3, and I also like the black Wayfarers he wearing...instead of those other strange black sunglasses from season 3. These shades aren't tortoise shell like seasons 1&2...but at least they're Wayfarers. I also thought the end was a little over-the-top and strange. :rolleyes: I mean, of course we all understand why Crockett would want to just show up and beat the "crap" out of Glantz...but really?? Glantz was not some scuzzy, low-life drug dealer that would never press charges because he didn't want to have police attention. He was unfortunately high-society and had tons of high-up connections--from politicians, lawyers, judges, probably the mayor, etc... Crockett would have been arrested, fired from the OCB, and probably sent to prison for assault & battery and intent to do bodily harm. The last scene of him handing the bum (same homeless drunk Glantz used earlier for his plastic wrap project) Glantz's leg porn award was kind of "appropriate" and even humorous. ;)Also...was it ever explained why Gina and Trudy were at the erotic film festival at the beginning? I understood the introduction of Milton Glantz and his snuff film Death and the Lady...but then all of a sudden Gina and Trudy are there. Were they into violent, erotic porn (after all later Gina says she's seen Glantz's film and he as a nice touch) :p ...or were maybe they there to look for drugs or illegal-age porn stuff? Just never quite figured that one out...But, overall this episode was superb and one of my favorites of season 4 & the series! :clap: I gave it a 9 (only reason I held off with a 10 is because of the no-pastel clothes and the strange ending with Glantz's beating).

Edited by ViceFanMan

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