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has anyone else lost their love of the bond series?

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AzVice

I like all the Bonds. They all were kind of, of they're time. there's some people that hate this guy or that guy, but i'm more accepting.

They've run out of ideas though. Casino Royale was the best movie in decades, and it was a Fleming novel they were finally able to use. Quantum of Solace i liked. Skyfall was a great movie, but it actually stole a lot from The Dark Knight. Spectre stole a lot from Captain America: The Winter Soldier. That films plotline of Blofeld being someone Bond knew as a child i just loathe. They need new writers. They've been using the same guys for 20 years and they came out recently and said they didn't know what to do next with the way the world is changing.

Here's an idea: write a story like  Ian Fleming would have written and don't worry about what year it is.

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Tony D.

I guess this is the way I feel about this Topic ..............  Don Johnson IS, Sonny Crockett ...... Sean Connery IS  James Bond

All others are wannabes.      Brosnan  was true to the role.....Craig's personality turned me off!

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Dadrian
54 minutes ago, Tony D. said:

I guess this is the way I feel about this Topic ..............  Don Johnson IS, Sonny Crockett ...... Sean Connery IS  James Bond

Although I like some of the other James Bonds to variable extents, I agree with you 100% here, Tony. Well said!

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DeepCover333

Fun to see this thread resurface. I really wish the writers would go back to more intricate story lines, subtle (and major) plot twists, real exotic landscapes and less annoying CGI. It seems so much of cinema has become who can produce the loudest, most outrageous, over the top (and sadly, unbelievable) action scenes. This method has creeped into the newer Bond films as well.  (just saw the trailer for the new Fast Furious last night, Yikes!).

I think it would be intriguing to consider producing a retro Bond film....have it set in the 1960's perhaps? Focus on the story, cut the CGI and have someone develop innovative gadget and weapon ideas. They could even pay homage to, and utilize some concepts from the old films. (Much of the modern audience has probably never even gazed the classic films as much as many of us have).   At any rate, I do hope the Bond franchise gets some new inspiration and continues. As for me, I have been watching a lot of old classic Hitchcock films lately. Wonderfully heavy on plot, mood and suspense, without the fake bombastic computer graphics dominating action films today. 

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AzVice

there's not that much cgi in recent Bond films, at least not noticeably. After Die Another Day they went back more realistic with the Craig movies.

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S0NNY

Roger Moore is and was always the best Bond for me and for many. Actually Roger was the first choice to play Bond, Ian Fleming had specifically Moore in mind, but Roger Moore was busy doing "The Saint", so he had to turn the offer down until the right timing came up later in years. I saw them all, Sean, Roger, Timothy, Brosnan,  all i can say all the best movies came out during Roger's era, and he carried the series for more years than any other and if it wasnt for him, the series would have died out way back in the 70s and 80s. He is the most talented actor of them all combined, but he never got credit for it, he was just made to act down on Bond,  but if you look at his body of work, at movies like "The man who haunted himself", what an outstanding drama actor he is.    P.S.  Craig is not Bond for me, he is just new age action figure with loads of cgi action around him. He doesnt even look like Bond, sorry, but i cant see him as Bond, even his face doesnt look Bond, he amy bee a good actor, but not suitable for Bond

 

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Tony D.
12 hours ago, AzVice said:

there's not that much cgi in recent Bond films, at least not noticeably. After Die Another Day they went back more realistic with the Craig movies.

I'm sorry....what is CGI ?

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Dadrian
23 minutes ago, Tony D. said:

I'm sorry....what is CGI ?

Computer Generated Images. "Jurrasic Park" was one of the first blockbusters that I remember to successfully incorporate this technology the way that it is so (over)used today. 

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Sonny-Burnett
5 hours ago, S0NNY said:

Roger Moore is and was always the best Bond for me and for many. Actually Roger was the first choice to play Bond, Ian Fleming had specifically Moore in mind,

Actually I read that Fleming's first choice was Cary Grant but that he was too expensive, and he also considered David Niven, James Mason, Rex Harrison, Richard Burton and Stewart Granger, all big film stars. Niven purportedly turned down the role because he felt he was too old. Moore did state in an interview that "they" told him he was Fleming's first pick, but Fleming was always interested in a big named film star and so that seems unlikely, and because Moore was never even approached for the first Bond role. Moore did not have that star status either, because the Saint only premiered the day before Dr No was released. But he likely was on the Producer's short list, as was Connery, and the Producers obviously went against Fleming's direction in selecting Connery who was by no means a big film star.  Connery did say later in an interview that he felt Fleming was a snob. and that he perceived Fleming did not want him in the role because he was perceived as a working class Scot:  "“What was it he called me, or told somebody? That I was an over-developed stunt man. He never said it to me. When I did eventually meet him he was very interesting, erudite and a snob – a real snob."

I always will associate Connery with the Bond role though I must admit I think Daniel Craig has breathed new life into the franchise, adding a much needed edge and grit to the role as Fleming originally intended Bond to be. Imo he is right up there with Connery now, though with less humor and suaveness of character. And I really did enjoy the Simon Templar character played by Moore, and I have that series on DVD. But his performance as Bond, at least for me, was too over-the-top in terms of silliness and corny one liners that to me detracted from his performance.  

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codemaster94

IMO,

Connery was a suave, ladies man that fit the role perfectly of "Irresistible to his women, deadly to his enemies". He did kinda fizzle out after Goldfinger. I just simply lost interest in the Bond films that he did after that.

Lazenby was a brutal fighter and played the fighting Bond well. Apparently, the movie is closely tied to the novel. His acting is somewhat convincing but...I don't know. We didn't see enough of him to know much more.

Moore was kinda like Grandpa hitting on the young chicks to me. He just took Bond to a silly side that half the time worked and half the time didn't.

Dalton was the vicious Bond, and even though I have his autograph, I think his vicious Bond is more of a theatrical version of Bond and less realistic. His portrayal was closest to the novels at the time, and he read them continuously for inspiration.

Brosnan was a great Bond. He brought it back to a realistic portrayal. He just always had the sleekest look as Bond to me. I guess it's because I was born in his era of Bond portrayal that he resonated with me the most. The first Bond movie I ever saw was "Tomorrow Never Dies". In fact, I have some gameplay videos of 3 of the Bond games that he starred in. I think he got handed good roles as Bond but they just didn't have very convincing cast members except most of the MI-6.

Craig is a vicious Bond that has a very stone-faced character to his portrayal. One-sided, tough, and seeks to get what he wants out of anyone. I personally think that Spectre was the best Bond film of his (except the Helicopter shoot-down scene with a WALTHER PPK of all guns; so fake). He's starting to bring a light-hearted side to his portrayal and I hope that even though the movies are a bitch to make for him and that he's suffered quite a few injuries on the job (Right shoulder reconstructed, Left/Right knees operated on, his thumb hurts :D among others) but he doesn't stop. He's been offered quite a few million and he loves how his portrayal is starting to show lately. But he's tired of it, so there's a lot of contemplating for him.

So personally I think that there's still hope for the series. It just takes a toll on its actors and they can change their mind anytime. It's good though to see the movies and it's one of those things that you'll never escape watching. I take my time to see a Bond film, and have only seen Spectre once.

Here's my Gameplay footage of the Brosnan-era Bond games if y'all want to take a peek:

 

 

 

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AzVice

having read all of the novels Dalton and Craig are the closest to the literary version. In the novels you don't have the jokes, Miss Moneypenny is just there without any dialogue. Q isn't really there much. Bond isn't a superman in the novels. He barely scrapes through. He gets beaten up in pretty much every novel, doesn't bed a woman in some of them. Vesper commits suicide in the first one--not in front of him, he just wakes and finds her. From Russia With Love ends with him unconsious and he goes in a hospital for six months. His wife is murdered in the 10th novel, he has a breakdown, he gets brainwashed by the U.S.S.R. Up until the Craig era they mostly stayed away from showing any real impact on his life in the movies.

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codemaster94
1 minute ago, AzVice said:

having read all of the novels Dalton and Craig are the closest to the literary version. In the novels you don't have the jokes, Miss Moneypenny is just there without any dialogue. Q isn't really there much. Bond isn't a superman in the novels. He barely scrapes through. He gets beaten up in pretty much every novel, doesn't bed a woman in some of them. Vesper commits suicide in the first one--not in front of him, he just wakes and finds her. From Russia With Love ends with him unconsious and he goes in a hospital for six months. His wife is murdered in the 10th novel, he has a breakdown, he gets brainwashed by the U.S.S.R. Up until the Craig era they mostly stayed away from showing any real impact on his life in the movies.

https://www.quora.com/How-do-the-Bond-movies-differ-from-the-books

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/11/literary-bond-superior-to-movie-version.html

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-james-bond-book-plots-that-were-too-insane-to-film/

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Remington

The only way I could lose my love for the series is if it keeps going in the same direction as Skyfall and SPECTRE. Unfortunately, it probably will. I have been on a break from the series for a couple months because I've been watching it so damn much.

I'll always have the first 22 films. Cheers.

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miamijimf
On 2/6/2017 at 11:43 AM, Dadrian said:

Although I like some of the other James Bonds to variable extents, I agree with you 100% here, Tony. Well said!

I always watch this series.  Connery is James Bond, the rest are just OK.  IMO a good James Bond must have two qualities:  1.) Be macho enough to make all those stunts slightly less than totally unbelievable and 2.) be a suave English gentleman.  Moore is kind of weak in no 1. and Craig lacks a little no. 2.

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CharlieGlide

I'll understand if people think I'm too old fashioned, but I lost interest in Bond when, a few films back, they tried to make the character more compassionate, especially towards his female co-stars. To me, Bond was always very macho, but in something of a classy way. To see him fold under the pressures of a female interest made me put the series on pause.

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Vincent Hanna
On 20/05/2017 at 2:51 AM, CharlieGlide said:

I'll understand if people think I'm too old fashioned, but I lost interest in Bond when, a few films back, they tried to make the character more compassionate, especially towards his female co-stars. To me, Bond was always very macho, but in something of a classy way. To see him fold under the pressures of a female interest made me put the series on pause.

Yes I prefer the Connery Bond who back hands women around like he does to Jill St John and chokes a chick with her bra at the start of "Diamonds":). I'm not into Craig's Cuck-Era Bond. The producers seem flummoxed with what to do with Bond in this world of Multi-culturism, feminism, political correctness and the place where our enemies are terrorist groups instead of opposing nations. Instead of Bond being forced to conform to this society, he should rise above it like Dirty Harry or something.

I'm also tired of Skyfall and Spectre trying to justify Bonds existence and failing!! If you're going to do a storyline that shows that Bond is obsolete then why bother making these movies in the first place? Like why!! Ughhh

Atleast they can't take the Connery/Moore/Lazenby/Dalton films away from us.

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