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Posted: 23 December 2006 at 10:03am by miamijimfWow, they should fire the top CIA Intel analysts and hire you guys. I’ve done my part for Uncle Sam. Actually they should fire those guys anyway. You would probably look better doing it however. I didn’t consider the trucks turning left on SW North River Drive. I was confused by what looks like a power station on the left after the vehicles turn and the close appearing mystery building. Eingefügtes Bild But Dan's snapshot (above) shows it’s got to be right- as you have already concluded. Eingefügtes Bild It matches with this capture. From this view there is no break in the action and you definitely see the vehicles turn left. Eingefügtes Bild Here is the capture Airtommy. Eingefügtes Bild Here is another one. Sure looks like the Greenburg Building. As you showed, it is in line of sight. Looks awfully close but it could be the camera’s focus. It would take an awful lot of plastic explosive (C4) to restore the original view. A bunker-busting 'Thermobaric' bomb might work. What’s next on the mystery list? Does anyone use Google Earth Pro and if so is it better? Merry Christmas and Feliz Año Nuevo! Jim

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Posted: 23 December 2006 at 11:23am by DanJFunny, Jim, those are the exact same screen shots I printed out and took with me yesterday to take the pictures! I guess great minds think alike, eh? To answer your question, I can only use Google Maps because I still run Win98SE and refuse to upgrade to WinXP. But if Google Earth Pro gives me better search capabilities, I may consider upgrading to something like Win2000.You mentioned C4, I mentioned C2. Goes ta show ya what I know! D'oh!The next mystery in this ep that I can think of is what street Crockett is driving along when he looses the truck that Tubbs boarded. At one point he turns a corner, looks at his radar reciever, and looks puzzled. The device is telling him the truck should be right in front of him, but it's nowhere to be seen. He gets out, looks around and discovers that the homing transmitter fell off the truck onto the street (Cheap department issue glue - hah!).There are no visual context clues that I can see, just vegetation and roads that could be anywhere in Miami. Logic suggests that this is somewhere near Legba's mansion, but then again I first thought Profile might be nearby on US-1 and it proved to be all the way across town! IMO the only way we might, um, "home in" on this is if someone with the location sheets gives it up.Happy Holidays back at ya, Jim, and everyone else as well!

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Posted: 23 December 2006 at 2:08pm by airtommyOriginally posted by DanJAlso, the WM is very likely visible in "The Specialist" since they filmed part of the ending at the Miami Shipyard - I'll have to go look at that movie again now to verify...Good idea, now I have something to do Xmas Eve after everyone has gone to bed. I too was wondering why the GT building looms so close. That is odd.

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Posted: 23 December 2006 at 5:21pm by airtommyOriginally posted by miamijimfEingefügtes BildEingefügtes Bild It's hard to tell them apart! I agree that it's almost impossible to find the location where Crockett find the homing device. But we skipped one shot that is solveable. After the truck makes its left-turn, Crockett makes his own left-turn. It might be from Flagler to SW N River Dr, but then I'm confused by the location of the Marina Inc building.

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Posted: 23 December 2006 at 6:30pm by Matt5that is an almost identical photo from DanJ above- awesome ....however is this the same block as Jose Marti Park is on ? looks like its in the same area ( just trying to get my bearings) Great work guys.

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Posted: 23 December 2006 at 9:08pm by airtommyJose Marti Park is labeled in Dan's original sat pic: It is across the river from where Tubbs meets the voodoo crew: Eingefügtes Bild

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Posted: 23 December 2006 at 10:43pm by miamijimfGuys, I agree, establishing where Sonny finds the tracking device on the road is mission impossible because there are no identifiable objects in the scene. I would guess that it was filmed on SW 80th Street in front of the Voodoo House because it looks like there are royal palms bordering the road on Google and in the scene. Here goes a SWAG (scientific wild ass guess). I think there could have been more than one COLPAC building. COLPAC could have been a large operation. Eingefügtes Bild When Sonny initially follows the trucks they pass one COLPAC building on the right. This doesn’t look like SW North River Drive near the Flagler Bridge. Too built up. Eingefügtes Bild When Rico is standing in the parking lot about to get on the truck you see a COLPAC sign in the background. Showing that the business is in the immediate area. Another COLPAC building is probably alongside the River since it’s apparently a water oriented business. I suggest that it is behind the bridge in the background along SW North River Drive and next to the river. Eingefügtes Bild The suggested second COLPAC building behind the bridge is marked by a red X. My capture is not as detailed as Dan's earlier ones. It relies on his and airtommy's diagrams showing Ricos pick up point etc. Eingefügtes Bild When we see Sonny at about 32.38 he could be driving W. on W Flagler St towards the river under several overpasses. Eingefügtes BildHere he turns left and we see the other COLPAC building on the river as he turns and goes S. on SW North River Drive. Note the boats dry docked next to the river. This looks like a road along the river. This is far from a perfect explanation but it's an idea.

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Posted: 24 December 2006 at 12:30am by airtommyNice eye, seeing the Colpac sign in the background, as well as the dry-docked boats. It seems like it has to be Flagler because he comes down a two-way road (as evidenced by the car that turns onto his road as he is turning left). 1st and 2nd are one-way roads. The only problem now is that your red X marks the East Coast Fisheries building. I suddenly realized that I have no idea when East Coast Fisheries was featured in MV. I searched this forum but I found nothing. East Coast Fisheries is a historic landmark. http://www.historicpreservationmiami.com/fish.htmlI checked my DVD: the Washington Mutual building gets a nice long camera shot around the 1:33:53 mark in the Specialist.

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Posted: 24 December 2006 at 2:16am by airtommyOriginally posted by miamijimfI agree, establishing where Sonny finds the tracking device on the road is mission impossible because there are no identifiable objects in the scene. I would guess that it was filmed on SW 80th Street in front of the Voodoo House because it looks like there are royal palms bordering the road on Google and in the scene.I like it! He's probably going east on SW 80th St. just past the house (at 4850 SW 80th St.). The palms are on his right. Then, after a short stretch, the trees are no longer palms but rather something much denser, just as one can see on Google Earth. What the heck is that behind Crockett as he fires his gun at 46:27??? It looks like traffic, but all the cars are standing still. Is that because they are at a loading dock on Dodge Island? Or is it a blooper?

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Posted: 24 December 2006 at 1:00pm by Matt5I know that scene was shot on Dodge Island/Port of Miami on the Rickenbacker Cswy Side with the Rickenbacker Cswy/ Brickell in b/g - but will have to check out the 46:27 mark.

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Posted: 25 December 2006 at 12:02am by DanJThe Colpac building we see when the Daytona makes its turn was at the end of SW 2nd Street, gang. Look at the footage. It has been clearly established that the trucks turn onto River Drive from SW 2nd Street in this shot:Eingefügtes BildThen Crockett follows in the Daytona. ABOVE: Note the three pilons behind and to the right of the truck (The middle overpass). Those are the three pilons to the right of the Daytona in the shot BELOW. Also, note above the "No Stopping Or Standing" sign just right of the truck's rear view mirror. Watch the video at 32:28 and slo-mo it as the Daytona passes the three pilons (Below) - you will see the sign. After the sign, the motion speeds up and background items get blurry but if you look carefully you can just make out the phone booth as well.Eingefügtes BildSame street for the trucks and Daytona shots, just different camera positions. In the truck shot the camera is on River Drive looking east down 2nd Street, then it follows the trucks around their turn for a look southbound on River Drive. NOTE: As the trucks turn you see a Mercedes coming the other direction.For the Daytona shot the camera is on SW 2nd, looking east initially then it follows the Daytona around to its turn on River Drive, where we see the Colpac buildings, and we see the Mercedes turn the corner towards us (Who was driving that car? I can't help but suspect that it was members of the production crew.).The Colpac buildings are gone today. They were part of the lot where Tubbs boards the truck, which is why you see some Colpac signage in the background of the shot where Tubbs bribes the driver:Eingefügtes BildNOTE: Look above Tubbs' hat and you'll see the top of the East Coast Fisheries building - compare that with the top of the building in my picture for a matchup:Eingefügtes BildIf ya plan to visit this site, do it soon while it still looks remotely as it did back then. I get the sinking feeling that a highrise will be erected on this site in the near future. When that happens we will no longer be able to appreciate this corner as we have done in this thread.RECYCLED FOOTAGE DEPT.At 40:57 in this episode, the panoramic shot of Biscayne Bay is taken from the opening credits of "Heart Of Darkness" where we here "Missing You" in the soundtrack.USAGE OF THIS SPOT IN A MOVIE DEPT.The lot where Tubbs boards the truck was used in a scene of "The Specialist" - look for it. CLUE: Red sports car w/ Sharon Stone and James Woods driving down a ramp off of the 1st Street bridge.SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT "THE SPECIALIST" DEPT.Say, is that the Cowboy Cadillac I see used in a scene in "The Specialist" where a mobster gets blown away in his car while exiting a parking garage?

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Posted: 25 December 2006 at 12:26am by airtommyExcellent!!! I said SW 2nd St. is a one-way road, but now I zoomed in on the sat pic and it is clearly NOT a one-way road where it meets SW N River Dr. It turns into a one-way road one block to the east. I was always confused by Crockett's turn, because of the reappearance of the Colpac building (turns out it's a different one) and because of the tight angle of his turn. It looked like much less than 90 degrees, and indeed it is. Question for Dan: How safe did you feel staking out and photographing in that area? I know it is close to Overtown.

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Posted: 25 December 2006 at 12:53am by DanJOriginally posted by airtommyQuestion for Dan: How safe did you feel staking out and photographing in that area? I know it is close to Overtown.There is some transient foot traffic in the area, but I didn't feel uncomfortable while I was there. Look at my picture of East Coast Fisheries above and you will see one dude walking down the street - that's about the level of activity in the area, at least when I was there last Friday.Jeremy and I have visited the area together, and he has been there on his own as well. Perhaps he'll share his findings as well.

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25 December 2006 at 8:18am by miamijimfGreat work DanJ and guys, I should have noticed the similar backgrounds in the Daytona and truck shots. I guess they used different camera positions because the script called for Sonny to lose them. I remember taking my wife to dinner at East Coast Fisheries in the 80s. Great seafood. Anyone else eat there? QUESTION: Is anyone making a record of all these filming locations? I doubt if all these posts will be kept for long and it would be a shame to lose the record of this great detective work. Plus future Vice fans (Miami Residents especially) may be interested and ask the same questions. As time passes, it will become increasingly difficult to find these sites. As a History major, I think about these things. What does F-Man think? I know he reads the posts. Hope Santa was good to everyone.

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Posted: 25 December 2006 at 8:29am by DanJI've never been a seafood fan, so I never visited East Coast Fisheries when they were open. Since it is a historic landmark, you'd think someone would reopen it for business. Perhaps when the area gets regentrified someone will do this.Part of the reason why I take these pictures is that I hope to publish a book of Miami photographs some day. It may or may not be Vice themed - heck it may or may not happen at all since I'm not in that business, don't have contacts with any publishers and it's tough to go out regularly and get the pictures I need. At present it is a "serious hobby" at best but I do maintain hopes of doing this someday. If it happens y'all must know it would be a labor of love for me.I'm interested in Miami's history and have been on the prowl for any and all books relating to that, especially those containing photographs of older Miami - as far as I'm concerned no Miami history book is complete without the images. There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of reference material out there (Or maybe I'm just insatiable? Hah!). If I do put something together, do you think it would sell?

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Posted: 25 December 2006 at 8:52am by miamijimfYes I believe it would sell, especially if put on Amazon or pushed by a big publisher. My next project is to scan and put on the net an article I wrote 10 years ago about the history of Miami during the Civil War published in 'Tequesta the Journal of S. Fla History'. There were several families living along the river and they had real adventures as you can imagine. I would volunteer to put the Vice filming locations on DVD and donate it to the Historical Museum of S. Fla. I think Dr. Paul George, a real authority on the area would be interested. What do you guys think?

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Posted: 25 December 2006 at 8:58am DanJHeck they should go ahead and put the entire Miami Vice series into their archives, especially S1 and S2. Thanks to RB and the Vice film crew of those years, there is some incredible archival footage of Miami in those episodes.

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Posted: 25 December 2006 at 9:18am by miamijimfI would be surprised if they don't have the series and a lot of other Vice stuff. I doubt if they have a record of where the scenes were filmed to match with the camera shots. We know how hard it can be to match that up in some cases. The episodes would work best as archival footage and the history of Miami if they know where the scenes were filmed. I thought for years that I knew where some scenes were filmed but after joining this forum, I discovered how wrong I was. Miamivice.Info has a great location guide but it is far from complete. The UM Library might be interested also.

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Posted: 30 December 2006 at 10:11am by DanJI believe we were wondering just where the final shootout was staged. Speculation has it taking place somewhere on Port Of Miami/Dodge Island, which sounds right. I took a drive out there yesterday and came up with the following - first, a Google map:Eingefügtes BildX: Hotel IntercontinentalX: Citigroup BuildingX: SE Financial CenterX: One Biscayne TowerRed Line: Line of site from Port Of Miami to three downtown buildingsIn the screen capture below you can see the four buildings indicated in the Google shot above:Eingefügtes Bildhttp://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/DanFoto/Miami%20Vice/77Tubbs.jpg?t=1167484626Click For Larger ImageTo the left of Tubbs' head you can see the first three buildings indicated in the Google legend. Behind Tubbs' head you can see the fourth building.Note that the first three buildings are visually in line. If you understand how moving a camera causes components of the shot to shift around, then you will understand that the alignment of these buildings is key to triangulating where this shot was taken from.The red line I drew on the Google map represents this line of sight. Note that it runs along the south side of the three buildings, ending at a dock on the Port Of Miami. IMO this has to be the spot where the final Legba shootout took place.The one thing missing from back then is the little island in the bay (Above Tubbs' right shoulder.). Erosion, hurricanes and/or other forces have eliminated this from the landscape. However, in the Google picture there appear to be traces of sandbars and such at about the spot where that island should be.DEVIATION FROM THREAD DEPT.I'm reminded of a scene from 'Golden Triangle" where Castillo meets with the leader of the clan in a limo on a sandbar, in front of the Intercontinental Hotel. I'm inclined to believe that the sandbars shown in the Google picture may be those sandbars, as well as remnants of the island we see in this episode.Recreating the screen capture above is difficult or impossible for me. There is a lot of security on the Port Of Miami, making access to the loading docks tricky. I'm not sneaky enough to pull this one off, at least not alone!Below is a picture I took from behind the Intercontinental Hotel, looking towards the Port Of Miami. You can see the Royal Carribean facility on the left and center, and a loading dock on the right which is what I think we're looking for. As luck would have it, Crockett was sailing the St. Vitus in front of the loading dock - maybe he was looking for Legba? Eingefügtes Bildhttp://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/DanFoto/Miami%20Pictures/RoylCrbn.jpg?t=1167485185Click For Larger Image

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Posted: 30 December 2006 at 12:19pm by arzolaHAve you ever found the cemetary? I thought it was sort of an odd spookey place.

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Posted: 30 December 2006 at 12:38pm by Matt5yeah its been found - see location trivia in the Episode Trivia section it has the details on there. Interesting above as Tubbs spans round ship you see the Rickenbacker Cswy Bridge also after the scene in DanJs screen capture.

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Posted: 31 December 2006 at 12:40am by airtommyTale of the Goat funeral Crockett was hiding in Pine Cemetery, which is in Coconut Grove on the corner of Charles Ave & SW 37th Ave (a.k.a. S Douglas Rd). Legba's funeral was held across the street in a vacant lot that the MV crew dressed up as a graveyard. Here is Jeremy's pic of Pine Cemetery: Eingefügtes Bild

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Posted: 31 December 2006 at 1:04am by airtommy I just watched the shootout scene. I see the 4 buildings, Rickenbacker, and the island which is now gone. Cool! I think the motionless cars were just vehicles to be loaded onto the freighter like Legba's van was. It's funny how they are supposedly loading a large freighter, yet the workers are nowhere to be seen, even before the shooting starts.

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Posted: 12 January 2007 at 1:53am by airtommyDan started this thread with a pic of the Voodoo Arcade. He wrote "Chaille Block 1914" on the photo. I was curious what this meant, so I Googled. This is a historic section of downtown Miami. There are some old photos here, including one that shows Frank's Pizza (seen when Romulus & Co. walk in). http://www.historicpreservationmiami.com/pdfs/chaille%20block.pdfWith projecting arcades, canopies, and open balconies, the Chaille Block provides a unique record of commercial design in Miami. Comprised of five Masonry Vernacular buildings constructed during the first decades of the twentieth century, it is the only intact downtown commercial streetscape dating from the 1910s. The front portions of the Chaille Block buildings were incorporated into the design of the Federal Detention Center, built by the Federal Bureau of Prisons. These five buildings were listed in the National Register of Historic Places in 1989.

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Posted: 12 January 2007 at 4:10pm by Matt5very interesting - thanks for the info. Legba's arcade today looks empty - in fact most of that block is pretty empty when I visited it.

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