AzVice Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 i always thought it was odd that Sonny mentions dating a lawyer at the beginning, just after he's been with teresa, but apparently this episode was shot before Teresa or Duty and Honor, and if you notice that line is dubbed in. So when he's talking about his girlfriends beeper going off it was apparently originally supposed to be teresa. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remington Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 (edited) Another mixed bag. The scene where Tubbs confronts the desk clerk I love. Some of the scenery is nice. Good Hammer music. Reminds me of S1. Loved seeing Gomer Pyle. I like the last 10-15 mins. It just takes forever to get started. However, the rest of the episode is mediocre. Especially the scenes where Tubbs talks to the townspeople. C and T pick unattractive girlfriends. Especially the ex he encounters at the hotel. The episode is honestly just too slow and kinda boring. Also, Orlando's death was a letdown. 6/10 Edited May 17, 2017 by Remington 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViceFanMan Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Remington said: Another mixed bag. The scene where Tubbs confronts the desk clerk I love. Some of the scenery is nice. Good Hammer music. Reminds me of S1. Loved seeing Gomer Pyle. I like the last 10-15 mins. It just takes forever to get started. However, the rest of the episode is mediocre. Especially the scenes where Tubbs talks to the townspeople. C and T pick unattractive girlfriends. Especially the ex he encounters at the hotel. The episode is honestly just too slow and kinda boring. Also, Orlando's death was a letdown. 6/10 I agree, that the end to the Calderone saga was definitely a letdown...I don't know, it just needed to be more elaborate or something--a more complex plan put together by Orlando, Jr. I did like Tubbs' main girlfriend in this one...despite her being his femme fatale, killer girlfriend from The Great McCarthy. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
summer84 Posted December 25, 2017 Report Share Posted December 25, 2017 (edited) The story is slowly progressing towards the climax. Lacking tension. We get no info on Tubb's son from Calderone, who only mentions his sister. Tubbs unknowingly still believes his son is dead. They repeated some scenes from Calderone part 2. This episode didn't have the atmosphere and mood that Calderone's return pt 2 had, despite being on an island and having the same Jan Hammer music. I felt like they didn't bother much with this episode. Something that just had to be done/get over with to close the Calderone saga. Tubbs and Alicia together was nice and her helping him.I think, I liked her character more her. Wondering what is going to happen to Tubbs, is he going to get any assistance was interesting to follow. Some interesting experimentation with the camera work/filming in this episode. I agree with Coop, it's not the most beautiful island with buildings worn down and the overall area looking poor, but there is some charm to the old buildings. I enjoyed the music. It always draws you in somehow. "The Afternoon Plane" aired after Theresa, but was originally produced 5 episode before. Apparently Crockett is going out with some woman named Sarita, a lawyer. I was disappointed with the ending and that we didn't get any knowledge on Tubb's son. Overall I'll have to rate the episode a 4 or 5/10 Edited December 25, 2017 by summer84 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt5 Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 On 25/12/2017 at 9:42 PM, summer84 said: The story is slowly progressing towards the climax. Lacking tension. We get no info on Tubb's son from Calderone, who only mentions his sister. Tubbs unknowingly still believes his son is dead. They repeated some scenes from Calderone part 2. This episode didn't have the atmosphere and mood that Calderone's return pt 2 had, despite being on an island and having the same Jan Hammer music. I felt like they didn't bother much with this episode. Something that just had to be done/get over with to close the Calderone saga. Tubbs and Alicia together was nice and her helping him.I think, I liked her character more her. Wondering what is going to happen to Tubbs, is he going to get any assistance was interesting to follow. Some interesting experimentation with the camera work/filming in this episode. I agree with Coop, it's not the most beautiful island with buildings worn down and the overall area looking poor, but there is some charm to the old buildings. I enjoyed the music. It always draws you in somehow. "The Afternoon Plane" aired after Theresa, but was originally produced 5 episode before. Apparently Crockett is going out with some woman named Sarita, a lawyer. I was disappointed with the ending and that we didn't get any knowledge on Tubb's son. Overall I'll have to rate the episode a 4 or 5/10 Shame there was no resolution about Tubbs son who obviously did not die at the of the Season 2s finale “Sons and Lovers” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
summer84 Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Matt5 said: Shame there was no resolution about Tubbs son who obviously did not die at the of the Season 2s finale “Sons and Lovers” I agree. Unfortunately they decided to close the Calderone saga with this S3 episode. Edited December 30, 2017 by summer84 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt5 Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 16 hours ago, summer84 said: I agree. Unfortunately they decided to close the Calderone saga with this S3 episode. I never realised they shot this episode earlier and was aired as the 17th episode of the 3rd Season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
summer84 Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Matt5 said: I never realised they shot this episode earlier and was aired as the 17th episode of the 3rd Season Yep. How I understood it from the S3 episode list on wiki by the production code. http://miamivice.wikia.com/wiki/Season_3 Edited December 31, 2017 by summer84 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt5 Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 20 minutes ago, summer84 said: Yep. How I understood it from the S3 episode list on wiki by the production code. http://miamivice.wikia.com/wiki/Season_3 Great - thankyou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
summer84 Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 (edited) Found more on the production code in this article. I hope, I understood it correct, that the production code indicates, when the episode was originally produced/filmed??? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Production_code_number http://miamivice.wikia.com/wiki/Season_3 Edited January 1, 2018 by summer84 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt5 Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 13 hours ago, summer84 said: Found more on the production code in this article. I hope, I understood it correct, that the production code indicates, when the episode was originally produced/filmed??? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Production_code_number http://miamivice.wikia.com/wiki/Season_3 Summer - I’m just not sure if those dates are correct for the production dates for “The Afternoon Plane” - look at Crocketts hair at the back it’s slightly longer than the “Down for the Count” episodes and it says Afternoon Plane was filmed before those two episodes ?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
summer84 Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 49 minutes ago, Matt5 said: Summer - I’m just not sure if those dates are correct for the production dates for “The Afternoon Plane” - look at Crocketts hair at the back it’s slightly longer than the “Down for the Count” episodes and it says Afternoon Plane was filmed before those two episodes ?! Thank you Matt! I'll check. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Vercetti Posted April 18, 2018 Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) Is this Miami Vice or The Prisoner? Tubbs is like McGoohan in the '60s TV show in this ep. And Pvt Pyle and Benny Blanco on screen isn't bad. Edited April 18, 2018 by Tommy Vercetti 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squeezem3 Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 Mixed feelings about this episode. Like in the previous episode "Theresa" again one of the hero's relationships comes straight out of the blue. Beside that the whole Calderon saga actually deserves a more ambitious final with at least one more character from the Vice department, and the whole Tubbs is looking for supporters and weapons-part is too stretched. But on the other hand PMT acts pretty well and the showdown wasn't too bad. Overall an episode which could have needed some more budget. I kinda was hoping for Crockett showing up with the Scarab. Anyway, I still enjoyed it more than other filler episodes like "French Twist". Watchable, but certainly far away from a masterpiece. 6/10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViceFanMan Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 15 minutes ago, squeezem3 said: Mixed feelings about this episode. Like in the previous episode "Theresa" again one of the hero's relationships comes straight out of the blue. Beside that the whole Calderon saga actually deserves a more ambitious final with at least one more character from the Vice department, and the whole Tubbs is looking for supporters and weapons-part is too stretched. But on the other hand PMT acts pretty well and the showdown wasn't too bad. Overall an episode which could have needed some more budget. I kinda was hoping for Crockett showing up with the Scarab. Anyway, I still enjoyed it more than other filler episodes like "French Twist". Watchable, but certainly far away from a masterpiece. 6/10 The Calderone saga definitely needed a better, and more thought out, in-depth conclusion. But, sadly by this time there were new writers, possibly again, and to me they just sort of slam-bam-thank ‘ya-mam threw this together & tried to call it good. The episode was okay, but they didn’t even give it a “full” conclusion, as Tubbs never found out that his baby son was still alive, and was not actually killed in the car explosion with Angelina...the baby was never mentioned again and we never find out what happened. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadrian Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 25 minutes ago, squeezem3 said: Like in the previous episode "Theresa" again one of the hero's relationships comes straight out of the blue. You have to imagine that their personal lives are always going on through (and in between) each episode. Who’s to say what all is brewing outside the focused plots of each story? Tubbs may have been seeing this girl for weeks (because she reminded him so much of Vanessa ), but it only became an episode when the Calderone angle recurred. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViceFanMan Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Dadrian said: You have to imagine that their personal lives are always going on through (and in between) each episode. Who’s to say what all is brewing outside the focused plots of each story? Tubbs may have been seeing this girl for weeks (because she reminded him so much of Vanessa ), but it only became an episode when the Calderone angle recurred. Exactly! Especially back in say the 80s...if they decided to do an episode about a significant-other of one of the main stars that had previously not been in an episode, you were supposed to use your imagination and or creativity, and assume that probably that star had been supposedly dating this person for an amount of time previously. We just didn’t see it until the episode specifically dealing with that person. Crockett had many girlfriends that suddenly popped out of the proverbial woodwork, to make for an “interesting” episode, LOL! Edited November 13, 2018 by ViceFanMan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDragon86 Posted April 18, 2019 Report Share Posted April 18, 2019 (edited) Closing the book officially on Calderone should have been the finale, this was so weak. What should have happened imo was Orlando baits him into going to the Island, sends him a message that his son is alive and he has him, and the whole unit goes with him including Castillo. Edited April 18, 2019 by RedDragon86 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie C. Posted April 18, 2019 Report Share Posted April 18, 2019 Vice was always very bad at handling long-term antagonists, honestly. Just look at how quickly they killed off Calderone sr. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViceFanMan Posted April 18, 2019 Report Share Posted April 18, 2019 5 hours ago, RedDragon86 said: Closing the book officially on Calderone should have been the finale, this was so weak. What should have happened imo was Orlando baits him into going to the Island, sends him a message that his son is alive and he has him, and the whole unit goes with him including Castillo. That’d been awesome...especially for the season, or even series, finale!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bren10 Posted April 18, 2019 Report Share Posted April 18, 2019 This was an homage to many of the "anticipating the big showdown" westerns of yesteryear. How successful it was at that is obviously a matter of debate. But it certainly beats Cows of October in that regard but is inferior to El Viejo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDragon86 Posted April 19, 2019 Report Share Posted April 19, 2019 (edited) 20 hours ago, ViceFanMan said: That’d been awesome...especially for the season, or even series, finale!! Maybe the seasons finale, I always thought the series finale should have been about the return of Lao Li, and set in Thailand. I don't know how this would work but he gets released from prison after serving 4 years, maybe to do with corruption. So the story would be that Castillo gets kidnapped from his home late at night and taken to Thailand, the team noticed that Marty hasn't shown up for work 2 days running and get worried. I don't really know how to build on this but you guys can put a bit of input into it if you like. And the return of John Santucci and Joan Chen is a must. Edited April 19, 2019 by RedDragon86 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie C. Posted April 19, 2019 Report Share Posted April 19, 2019 You'd have to get Menton sprung as well for that, but it would be doable. I'd say it would be the CIA who worked their release, wanting to put Lao Li back in the field for some kind of anti-China operation. One of their fantasies. And it could be Castillo hears about the release and it finally trips him. He decides to go after him on his own, and the rest of the team follows out of loyalty. Otherwise they'd have no real way to get overseas. Or maybe Castillo works his DEA contacts and gets his team set up as an anti-narcotics task force sent to shut down Lao Li's heroin operation. Castillo deeply disliked Lao Li, but he hated Menton. I think he'd go after him alone and Lao Li would be good collateral damage in his mind. Something like this would also let Castillo reconnect with refugees from Laos. It would have had to be a two parter (at least) for it to work. Or maybe a final three hour TV movie. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDragon86 Posted April 19, 2019 Report Share Posted April 19, 2019 17 minutes ago, Robbie C. said: You'd have to get Menton sprung as well for that, but it would be doable. I'd say it would be the CIA who worked their release, wanting to put Lao Li back in the field for some kind of anti-China operation. One of their fantasies. And it could be Castillo hears about the release and it finally trips him. He decides to go after him on his own, and the rest of the team follows out of loyalty. Otherwise they'd have no real way to get overseas. Or maybe Castillo works his DEA contacts and gets his team set up as an anti-narcotics task force sent to shut down Lao Li's heroin operation. Castillo deeply disliked Lao Li, but he hated Menton. I think he'd go after him alone and Lao Li would be good collateral damage in his mind. Something like this would also let Castillo reconnect with refugees from Laos. It would have had to be a two parter (at least) for it to work. Or maybe a final three hour TV movie. This sounds brilliant. Perfect 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie C. Posted April 19, 2019 Report Share Posted April 19, 2019 19 minutes ago, RedDragon86 said: This sounds brilliant. Perfect Thanks! I do a fair amount of writing and RPG-type stuff, so this kind of plotting is almost a reflex by now. I went with the DEA because the team would need a way to get overseas with their equipment and weapons...not really possible if they're chasing Castillo. And does anyone really think Castillo could be easily kidnapped? I find it more interesting from a character sense to have him finally snap. He almost killed Menton in the conference room...what do you think he'd do if he found out the guy who set up and wiped out most of his team had been sprung again to work with Lao Li? And with Sonny coming off the Burnett break they'd have some solid bonding moments here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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