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C Glide

I just looked at the other intersection, nd Street and 3rd Ave. That would have been the SE Financial Center (202) and that was not it. The Ross building across the way is a better match but still not it. Maybe I have to start thinking that the sign was fake and start looking at other Downtown locations.

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CarolineUK
I just looked at the other intersection' date=' nd Street and 3rd Ave. That would have been the SE Financial Center (202) and that was not it. The Ross building across the way is a better match but still not it. Maybe I have to start thinking that the sign was fake and start looking at other Downtown locations.[/quote'] I've been looking at other eps to try to get a hint but so far, nothing. Do you have anything else we can work on while trying to solve this one?

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I've been looking at other eps to try to get a hint but so far' date=' nothing. Do you have anything else we can work on while trying to solve this one?[/quote'] Plenty, I will put something together later today.

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C Glide
ok time (really past time) to get this thread active again. We started with the Milk Run drug lab that blows up. We developed some leads but so far not solved. I will call hat cold case #1. Then we had CC2; Ross' house from Golden Triangle 1. We solved that case. Yeah! Cold Case 3 is Biscayne General Merchandise seen in multiple episodes with a street number of 202. CC3 is still open. Now I will introduce CC4:Heart Of Darkness. The rear of what is at least suppose to be (and may be)the restaurant. It is clear to me that it is on the bay but where?In the first picture I am attaching we can see some lights in the far distance (white arrow) some lights much closer but still across the water (blue arrow). Perhaps an island. What appears to me to be a moored boat with rippling water reflections in front of it (pink arrow).AS far as the building goes there is not allot there in my opinion other than the shape and proximity to the shoreline. However with screen captures where I have increased the adaptive lighting someone may recognize something.Eingefügtes BildEingefügtes BildEingefügtes Bild

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miamijimf

Tough one, not much to go on. It would be logical to think they filmed all the night scenes at the same time. Maybe they shot it close to where they shot the final scene at night at the Port Of Miami/Dodge Island? The back of the Blue Dolphin Lounge is a possibility if it existed. Restaurants don't normally have rooms with high voltage but plenty of buildings on Dodge Island have them. Perhaps the lights you see in the distance are a boat and lights along the MacArthur Causeway.

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Tough one' date=' not much to go on. It would be logical to think they filmed all the night scenes at the same time. Maybe they shot it close to where they shot the final scene at night at the Port Of Miami/Dodge Island? The back of the Blue Dolphin Lounge is a possibility if it existed. Restaurants don't normally have rooms with high voltage but plenty of buildings on Dodge Island have them. Perhaps the lights you see in the distance are a boat and lights along the MacArthur Causeway.[/quote']Interesting ideas. I believe the Blue Dolphin was two seperate places. I believe the interior was filmed at the Wong Kai Restaurant. 90+% sure but I have tried off and on for a few years to obtain a picture of the interior but I have not found one. Maybe you can. I was working on that earlier today and since my normal deduction and verification tools had not worked I started working outside the box. I was able to track down the attorney who in 1981 filed it's incorporation papers. I don't usually call people but tomorrow I will try again to reach him and see what I can learn. I have another idea about the exterior that I will post here shortly.

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CarolineUK

I am delighted this thread has begun again. Can't wait to get home from work tonight to have a good look at the outstanding cold cases.

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C Glide
In the Pilot there is a segment, the 5th cut as seen on my web site that had eluded me for years and was destined to appear here as a cold case. However; last night I took another look at it and as sometimes happens you notice something you overlooked before or you jut connect with it differently. After probably 5 years of baffling me I connected last night and noticed an awning I had overlooked. I long suspected this segment of the drive was in the area of one of the other segments that I had located, still it would not be solved. Finally I connected and it was in fact filmed on Collins Ave. From about 640 Collins headed south to about 624, Club Monaco (today). A hard nut to crack. One of the things that threw me off was in about 1994 they tore almost the whole block down and put up a parking garage. They even built on what had been an alley so that the road I had looked for was no longer in existence. Luckly on the west side of the street they were forced to keep the first floor store front walls up when they tore down the rest of the buildings so I could still confirm the location. I will update my site shortly with the details. All though I had not posted this cold case here it was this thread that spurred me on to look at and solve the case!:thumbsup:Eingefügtes Bild

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Matt5

Interesting ideas. I believe the Blue Dolphin was two seperate places. I believe the interior was filmed at the Wong Kai Restaurant. 90+% sure but I have tried off and on for a few years to obtain a picture of the interior but I have not found one. Maybe you can. I was working on that earlier today and since my normal deduction and verification tools had not worked I started working outside the box. I was able to track down the attorney who in 1981 filed it's incorporation papers. I don't usually call people but tomorrow I will try again to reach him and see what I can learn. I have another idea about the exterior that I will post here shortly.

Really interesting SoflaJeremy - did Vice ever shoot at the Wong Kai Restaurant?:D

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C Glide

Really interesting SoflaJeremy - did Vice ever shoot at the Wong Kai Restaurant?:D

I believe the only time they filmed inside the Wong Kai (90+% sure)was HOD at the end of the episode when they learned Artie killed himself.

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Beach_Vice

I just noticed that CC3 is at the corner of a one way street. It also looks like there's no traffic light there, but I can't be sure of that. Also, a digit may have been removed from the 202 the same way in CC2 a digit was removed from the Address. I'm still looking for CC3. That corner has character.

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miamijimf

Here's an interesting photo, from the 80s I guess, that may or may not shed some light on restaurants on the Bay. Its from the FB group page, "We Grew Up in Miami in the 60s and 70s," a promising source for location info. One member wrote: "The round building is still there, it had The Green Dolphin on the upper level and Le Fever on the lower level. Later on the name Dockside Terrace rings a bell, the upper level is now a Hard Rock Cafe, the lower level has undergone a series of transformations including a rowdy club and a Spanish tapas restaurant." It was also known as Reflections On the Bay." [ATTACH=CONFIG]5126[/ATTACH]

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C Glide
I just noticed that CC3 is at the corner of a one way street. It also looks like there's no traffic light there' date=' but I can't be sure of that. Also, a digit may have been removed from the 202 the same way in CC2 a digit was removed from the Address. I'm still looking for CC3. That corner has character.[/quote']Allot of character. Steps leading up to front doors like in NYC. Very rare in Miami.

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Very nice picture though I don't see that the rear would look like what we see in HOD. The parking lot in the forground is seen in Florence Italy as it was part of the Grand Prix course. Reflections on the bay was seen/used in Absence of Malice.

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Matt5

Very nice picture though I don't see that the rear would look like what we see in HOD. The parking lot in the forground is seen in Florence Italy as it was part of the Grand Prix course. Reflections on the bay was seen/used in Absence of Malice.

True Soflajeremy - doubtful that that location was here or port of Miami :D

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CarolineUK
Two screen captures of side street where I increased the adaptive lighting.'Eingefügtes'Eingefügtes[/SIZE">
COLD CASE 3:Can you have a look at the picture below especially at the building on the left' date=' the Leamington Hotel against the MV screen captures. Reading up on the hotel, it opened in 1922 & looking at the old postcard pictures on the hotel's site, the hotel hasn't had a major refit since it was constructed. The building in the lightened screencaps is three storeys high (4 if you include the street level) and appears to come to a stop possibly at a road junction. The Leamington goes around the corner of the road junction. Plus this is a one way street, heading in the same direction of the one way street in the 1980s. Looking again at the old postcard images, there is a wide band which goes around the hotel, making a wide gap up to the first floor containing bedrooms. The site is here:http://www.leamingtonhotel.com/It might be a long shot but it's worth a try. I'm having probs with my screen caps on this new laptop but this was taken of NE2nd Street/NE 3rd Avenue looking south:Eingefügtes Bild

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Matt5

http://www.leamingtonhotel.com/It might be a long shot but it's worth a try. I'm having probs with my screen caps on this new laptop but this was taken of NE2nd Street/NE 3rd Avenue looking south:Eingefügtes Bild

Really interesting SoflaJeremy - surely this is the area also where The Fat Boys guest starred in the teaser of "Florence Italy " Downtown ?:D

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C Glide

http://www.leamingtonhotel.com/It might be a long shot but it's worth a try. I'm having probs with my screen caps on this new laptop but this was taken of NE2nd Street/NE 3rd Avenue looking south:Eingefügtes Bild

Pros: The building on the right does have an overhang of the correct size. Con: most everything else does not match but lets assume it is possible it had a major, major reconstruction other than the overhang.Pro: The first building on the left really looks good, especially ground floor. Cons: Wrong number of windows on what I will call the second floor, the wide band above the ground floor. For example the last set of windows should have 5 verticle rows. The windows above that totally do not match but that could easily be because of a face lift.The parking garage next door could be new, buillt where there was a surface lot during Vice.One of the best things going for this location is the third building on the left (second in Vice days) is the right size + shape.One of the biggest cons is address is wrong. Address is 197 3rd Ave. for our spot. Even if back then it had a 2nd Street number it would have been high 200s like 29*.Overall I think it bears closer examination. It is worthwhile to try to find older pictures of this address. If we can do that we will have an answer. Great work again!

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C Glide

Really interesting SoflaJeremy - surely this is the area also where The Fat Boys guest starred in the teaser of "Florence Italy " Downtown ?:D

Right generally area but I have yet to nail that down. Another case to address.

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Right generally area but I have yet to nail that down. Another case to address.

:D:D

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CarolineUK
Two screen captures of side street where I increased the adaptive lighting.'<ahttp://www.sffl.comcastbiz.net/wpimages/wpece9cee3.png' alt='Eingefügtes Bild' class='bbc_img' />'<ahttp://www.sffl.comcastbiz.net/wpimages/wpda157459.png' alt='Eingefügtes Bild' class='bbc_img' />[/SIZE">
I've gone back onto my old laptop as it's easier to edit pics on here. Here's the screencap from google maps streetview that I tried to post yesterday of the Leamington Hotel:[ATTACH=CONFIG]5136[/ATTACH]I have just zoomed into the second Vice screencap and where the building ends on the lefthandside of the street at what seems like the corner of an intersecting street' date=' there is a building further down but facing the camera. If you look at my streetview, there is that building which has the partial sign "Business Review".These are enlargements of the postcards on the Leamington site:[ATTACH=CONFIG']5137[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]5138[/ATTACH]They only had pictures of the hotel from that angle, so the bit concerning this thread would be the lefthand section in the shots

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C Glide

[The hotel is certainly in the right place aand looks right. It is definitely one of the stronger remaining points to say yes this is the place . You may have something here but I am just not seeing the building at the end of the street that you are. I can tell there is a high rise down the street but I am not making out any details like a lower structure.I will break out the DVD later today and see what I can come up with./SIZE]

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miamijimf

I communicated with a lady on Facebook who says she worked on the set of several Vice episodes and was there the night they filmed some of the scenes from HOD. She is pretty sure the "Blue Dolphin Lounge" was really the Tin Lizzie Restaurant (12500 Biscayne Blvd), and now gone, that was across from Pumpernik's. She also wrote: "I AM 100% certain that the shot of Crocket & Tubbs sitting in the car in the parking lot was the parking lot on the north side of the Tin Lizzie . . . I was there!!!" In reference to the scene where C&T meet Artie and the Porno gurus in a restaurant she wrote, "Also I'm 95% certain that the interior scene with the waiters and the girls dressed in white cocktail dresses was the scene they filmed inside the Tin Lizzie." This info, coupled with other info she provided, makes her sound like a reliable source.Charlie, check your email.

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I communicated with a lady on Facebook who says she worked on the set of several Vice episodes and was there the night they filmed some of the scenes from HOD. She is pretty sure the "Blue Dolphin Lounge" was really the Tin Lizzie Restaurant (12500 Biscayne Blvd)' date=' and now gone, that was across from Pumpernik's. She also wrote: "I AM 100% certain that the shot of Crocket & Tubbs sitting in the car in the parking lot was the parking lot on the north side of the Tin Lizzie . . . I was there!!!" In reference to the scene where C&T meet Artie and the Porno gurus in a restaurant she wrote, "Also I'm 95% certain that the interior scene with the waiters and the girls dressed in white cocktail dresses was the scene they filmed inside the Tin Lizzie." This info, coupled with other info she provided, makes her sound like a reliable source.Charlie, check your email.[/quote']AWESOME! somewhere there must be pictures.

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Here is another one that I have not been able to find. It appears in several episodes" data-date=" Give A Little, Take A Little, and Little Prince but the best view is in Florence Italy. Biscayne General Merchandise. The street number is 202. It looks ike downtown Miami but I have not been able to find it. Anyone know where it was? There is 1) a stair case visible leading out to the street to the right of the store. Very rare in Miami.2) It is on a street corner and at least the street the camera is on is one way headed to the screen">

http://www.sffl.comcastbiz.net/wpimages/wpe5eae503.pngTwo screen captures of side street where I increased the adaptive lighting.Eingefügtes BildEingefügtes Bild

Here to add:5)Stairs leading up to a door, adjacent to a clay shingled roof.6)Overhang protrudes from the wall, but does not wrap around, so there must be two separate overhangs.7)window cover looks to be 8ft with a door next to it to enter the shop. Yellow sign above - second word is 'entrance.'Closest looking building I could find to match the one across the street is the Alfred I DuPont Building on 100 something E Flagler ST. That coincidentally would put the scene at around the 200 block. It is however too different still for me to say that that's the building. The large lower portion square shapes are similar to the building I post, but not the same. That's a feature I've focused on finding.Eingefügtes BildThis is what My mind has built as a shape of the scene's focus' building corner... Very New York. As a side note, you don't see clay tile downtown, but you see it everywhere in the Miami Beach area, same goes for staircases into buildings. There are a lot of similar looking buildings over there, but I couldn't find one that matches or has tall building across the street. Also, it's in a completely different area than the other street scenes from Florence Italy.Eingefügtes BildQuestion now, is it possible that the corner Switek is standing on is that of an alley way? I kinda doubt the curb would curve around like that there, but I don't know. What worries me is that the building across the street may be demolished and the building in focus may be altered or demolished also.

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