" Over the Line " - Season 5

[airtommy]

2 hours ago, Matt5 said:

You mean here - so they were parked in the Haddon Hall parking lot next door 

Yes, that's the spot.

Edited April 5, 2017 by airtommy

[C Glide]

interestingly (to me at least) the rectangular man hole cover in your picture is the same one the group is seen walking over in the ep. as they escort C+T to the cars.

[airtommy]

On 4/6/2017 at 9:45 AM, C Glide said:

interestingly (to me at least) the rectangular man hole cover in your picture is the same one the group is seen walking over in the ep. as they escort C+T to the cars.

Wow, sharp eye!  I had to go back and watch several times to see what you meant.  Here it is:

Edited July 15, 2018 by airtommy

[C Glide]

Seems strange but man holes seldom change so I have used them several times to help nail down or verify the precise location where something was filmed.

 

[Matt5]

On 4/6/2017 at 7:39 PM, airtommy said:

Wow, sharp eye!  I had to go back and watch several times to see what you meant.  Here it is:

Interesting this scene as with the man hole cover Charlie mentioned - that means the cars ( as shown here with the man hole cover behind the car were parked on Collins in front of Haddon Hall and the side of Jerry's / Senor Frogs

[C Glide]

OKay, it's ready. I just published this ep.

[airtommy]

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Then we cut to the take down. Filmed on location at what was 3950 South Douglas Road, Coconut Grove.  It was originally built in 1921 as the home of the famed architect Walter Degarmo. Vice fans may appreciate that among his notable masterpieces was 42 Star Island that was featured prominently in episode 11, Little Prince.

Interesting!

 

[Tom]

Great job to document all these locations. Especially the pics of deGarmo residence at the end are valuable as the house and the surrounding area has changed a lot since then. The same location was also used at the end of Rock and a hard place in season4 for the attack on Caitlin during the photo shooting and the subsequent arrest of Fremont and Wiggins.

[airtommy]

Walter DeGarmo also designed 27 Star Island (seen in Victims of Circumstance) and the Hotel Colonnade in Coral Gables (seen in The Lost Madonna).

[airtommy]

On 4/20/2017 at 1:37 PM, Tom said:

Especially the pics of deGarmo residence at the end are valuable as the house and the surrounding area has changed a lot since then. The same location was also used at the end of Rock and a Hard Place in season 4 for the attack on Caitlin during the photo shooting and the subsequent arrest of Fremont and Wiggins.

I didn't know that location had been found!  Watching those scenes now, I can see the loggia (outdoor covered walkway with arches) featured prominently in both:

Over The Line:

 

Rock and a Hard Place:

Edited July 15, 2018 by airtommy

[Tom]

vor 1 Stunde schrieb airtommy:

I didn't know that location had been found!  Watching those scenes now, I can see the loggia (outdoor covered walkway with arches) featured prominently in both:

Over The Line:

 

Rock and a Hard Place:

I mentioned this in the RAAHP location thread long time ago. Wanted to bring attention back to this as CGlide did not mention it in the Over the Line location section of his website.

[miamijimf]

It's good to know that more of DeGarmo's work (the designer of the destroyed Little Prince house) survives besides 27 Star Island etc. 

[C Glide]

I will update my site with the Rock and A Hard Place info. I believe DeGarmo was the first architect ever registered in Miami and had a lot of major works in the early 20th century. Hopefully w/I a couple days I will have my site updated on this (RAAHP).

[airtommy]

I've read that DeGarmo's work is considered to be very Mediterranean.  I noticed that three of his four appearances were during the final two seasons of Vice.  This reinforces what we've heard that Mediterranean architecture was not originally intended to be part of the Vice style (poor people live in Art Deco, rich people in modern).  Mediterranean architecture mostly started appearing on the show after the original crew had left and the show was taken in a new direction.

Edited April 22, 2017 by airtommy

[Tom]

vor 6 Stunden schrieb airtommy:

I've read that DeGarmo's work is considered to be very Mediterranean.  I noticed that his four appearances were during the final two seasons of Vice.  This reinforces what we've heard that Mediterranean architecture was not originally intended to be part of the Vice style (poor people live in Art Deco, rich people in modern).  Mediterranean architecture mostly started appearing on the show after the original crew had left and the show was taken in a new direction.

Completely right. Houses like the one from Escondero or Baker would never have appeared in first two seasons. Let's not forget how Crockett's look had changed. He would never have worn Jeans in early years. The little Prince house is the only exception of that style rule I know of.

Edited April 22, 2017 by Tom

[airtommy]

The house at 3540 Bay Homes Drive is gone!

https://goo.gl/maps/hrD1adQ7neH5nbmB6

 

 

[Matt5]

9 hours ago, airtommy said:

The house at 3540 Bay Homes Drive is gone!

https://goo.gl/maps/hrD1adQ7neH5nbmB6

 

 

Yes I noticed that a few months back very sad.

[Tom]

We all know all the locations of this episode. But there was another location they used that we don´t know, because they edited this scene from the final product. I didn´t know that either although I have the production notes of this episode, but this scene is missing.

Obviously, the filmed a scene where a nice looking girl on rollerblades is telling C&T where to meet the vigilantes before the were picked up on 21st Street *(.i.e. similar to the Iggy Pop scene in Evan that served the same purpose and was dropped). Funny is that they shot this prior dropped scene in front of another well known location, The Collins Park Hotel, where Zito´s funeral was held. There is a nice video where I found this while they filmed "over the line", where it is also confirmed that the show will be over after this season.

* for buffs: there is a hint in that episode that they cut something that touched continuity. When C&T pull up in Tubbs´ caddy on 21th street to meet the vigilantes, they made a voice overdub and let Crockett/Tubbs say something like "Are you sure it was him? Yes, I recognized his voice and he said we should be here at .. for a demonstration". I assume that they did this overdub only to explain how C&T knew about the pick-up location as they cut out the rollerblade girl (who obviously was sent as a messenger to C&T to tell them about it). C&T wear the same clothes as on 21st street and the Collins Park hotel is just around the corner...

 

 

P.S. If they had not cut that scene out, we would have found Zito´s funeral location much sooner...

Edited August 23, 2020 by Tom

[Matt5]

On 8/23/2020 at 3:43 PM, Tom said:

We all know all the locations of this episode. But there was another location they used that we don´t know, because they edited this scene from the final product. I didn´t know that either although I have the production notes of this episode, but this scene is missing.

Obviously, the filmed a scene where a nice looking girl on rollerblades is telling C&T where to meet the vigilantes before the were picked up on 21st Street *(.i.e. similar to the Iggy Pop scene in Evan that served the same purpose and was dropped). Funny is that they shot this prior dropped scene in front of another well known location, The Collins Park Hotel, where Zito´s funeral was held. There is a nice video where I found this while they filmed "over the line", where it is also confirmed that the show will be over after this season.

* for buffs: there is a hint in that episode that they cut something that touched continuity. When C&T pull up in Tubbs´ caddy on 21th street to meet the vigilantes, they made a voice overdub and let Crockett/Tubbs say something like "Are you sure it was him? Yes, I recognized his voice and he said we should be here at .. for a demonstration". I assume that they did this overdub only to explain how C&T knew about the pick-up location as they cut out the rollerblade girl (who obviously was sent as a messenger to C&T to tell them about it). C&T wear the same clothes as on 21st street and the Collins Park hotel is just around the corner...

 

 

P.S. If they had not cut that scene out, we would have found Zito´s funeral location much sooner...

Really great BTS picture with the rollerblader at that location.

 

Edited August 25, 2020 by Matt5

[Tom]

One rare picture of how the Raleigh looked like in 1989 (it was renovated afterwards and the colors and some other unique looks are gone now) when Izzy sold his snake oil there. The elevated area just behind the diving tower where C&T talked to Izzy is there as well.

 

[Eillio Martin Imbasciati]

Since there's been a lot of activity on the 'Freefall' episode (Crockett was right when he said to Callie that we all end up in freefall sometimes), so it got me to thinking about this episode.

I love when Tubb says at the end of the cold open that he didn't even get any ice cream (the way Tubbs says "ice cream" sounds like he's acting like as if he was a kid saying it).

Dr. Dinky! I was surprised that after being pretty mischievous in the beginning of the episode that Johnny later turned out to be a somewhat tragic character (the actor, Anthony Barrile, was also killed in the fifth "Friday the 13th" film).

Ah, Highsmith, I'll always remember his conversation with Castillo. I have a feeling Castillo didn't exactly think highly of Highsmith or his proposed methods (Highsmith must've viewed "Magnum Force" too many times).

I thought Walter Stevens was a compelling character, and I liked the conversation he had with Crockett ("...said I was clinically depressed", when he was talking about when he read his file was my favorite line, I liked how he said it. Depression & manic depression/bipolar disorder were subjects Vice touched upon towards the end of its run, and I don't think many shows were going in that direction).

Totally a penultimate episode for me to watch before the finale (before this one, I liked to view' Too much, Too Late' to get the feel of Tubbs & to close the Valerie chapter permanently).

[Tom]

vor 25 Minuten schrieb Eillio Martin Imbasciati:

Since there's been a lot of activity on the 'Freefall' episode (Crockett was right when he said to Callie that we all end up in freefall sometimes), so it got me to thinking about this episode.

I love when Tubb says at the end of the cold open that he didn't even get any ice cream (the way Tubbs says "ice cream" sounds like he's acting like as if he was a kid saying it).

Dr. Dinky! I was surprised that after being pretty mischievous in the beginning of the episode that Johnny later turned out to be a somewhat tragic character (the actor, Anthony Barrile, was also killed in the fifth "Friday the 13th" film).

Ah, Highsmith, I'll always remember his conversation with Castillo. I have a feeling Castillo didn't exactly think highly of Highsmith or his proposed methods (Highsmith must've viewed "Magnum Force" too many times).

I thought Walter Stevens was a compelling character, and I liked the conversation he had with Crockett ("...said I was clinically depressed", when he was talking about when he read his file was my favorite line, I liked how he said it. Depression & manic depression/bipolar disorder were subjects Vice touched upon towards the end of its run, and I don't think many shows were going in that direction).

Totally a penultimate episode for me to watch before the finale (before this one, I liked to view' Too much, Too Late' to get the feel of Tubbs & to close the Valerie chapter permanently).

Valid points.

please be aware that this is the location thread for this episode and the general discussion about this episode is better positioned in the general discussion thread for it. 

[Eillio Martin Imbasciati]

1 minute ago, Tom said:

Valid points.

please be aware that this is the location thread for this episode and the general discussion about this episode is better positioned in the general discussion thread for it. 

Oops, sorry about that; I was browsing through a few pages and thought I found the episode mark, but I guess I didn't read everything I should have.

[Tom]

vor 39 Minuten schrieb Eillio Martin Imbasciati:

Oops, sorry about that; I was browsing through a few pages and thought I found the episode mark, but I guess I didn't read everything I should have.

no problem, just let´s keep these two types of episode threads separated so that everyone actually finds what he is looking for....

[Tom]

The short shooting of Johnny snippet is very mysterious and still unknown. We see (in order of driving):

1. a high wall on the right of an intersection (the rear mirror shows that right out of camera frame there is a driveway close and the corner of a house close to the street)

2. the intersection shows a relatively broad and long straight street crossing in a 90 degree angle (maybe a bit of bend to the left in the distance) with two stop signs and NO "no outlet" signs. 

3. The stop signs and the fact that two cars are quite speeding beside each other with a main actor driving is proof that this was filmed on a major, broad street, not on a smaller alley. 

4. After the intersection with the long crossing road, we see a long and dense vegetation for approximately 50 yards (only a few car lenghts)

5. the first house that comes in plain sight has a straight and short driveway and a distinctive wooden plated front with garage door and windows

6. directly next to it, just separated by a small bush is another house, more modern, with a bit longer straight driveway with a garage building in a 90 degree angle to the right.

This unique pattern, the bushy appearance and the fact that the Douglas Road/Main Highway area is the only area used in this episode that fits only leaves very few stretches of Douglas Road left, as Main Highway and Ingraham are the only other main roads around but without any 90 degree angled intersections with long straight crossing roads. North Bay Homes drive where the vigilante house was is too narrow to film that and there are no long crossroads there as well.

Photo documentary below in order of driving. I have the production reports but this intel is missing. I am stumped and cannot find any stretch that fits although I studied Google and historic aerials as some houses have been razed and rebuilt on Douglas Road.

The last pic shows Google with all streets highlighted to show that there are hardly any 90 degree intersections possible at all and of those all are a wash.

Anyone else with an idea where this was?