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Agreed that MV was definitely visually oriented. I was specifically referring to typical primetime dramas of the era with my comments. Primetime comedies are a whole different set of circumstances. In contrast, they have a pretty small group of regular writers. Outside scripts aren’t submitted in the same way at all. Daytime soaps also have a group of regular writers who churn out the melodrama with zero locations and action. They’re all different art forms, if you will. They’re created differently, just as feature films or musicals have their own process, using different kinds of talent. Hill Street Blues was one of my favorites at the time but I’ve never rewatched it or taken a deep dive into the details like we do here.

I think Vice was different in that it focused more on the visuals than the characters. You didn't see these kind of mistakes in Hill Street Blues, for example. Battlestar Galactica was also pretty steady in terms of characters and background. Not all shows were, obviously, but I think for every one that was there was another that paid attention to those details. And as far as tracking character background and the like, it's easy (and wrong) to overlook the daytime soap fans.

This has been discussed in another thread, but in this era of TV there typically wasn’t a set group of writers for a drama series unlike today when there are far fewer episodes and the entire story arc is often known from the start of the season. In this period writers would submit their scripts after looking through the show bible to avoid major mistakes. The producers who selected the scripts would essentially be responsible for any real detailed continuity problems. They, of course, were often more interested in getting the product finished, on time, and on budget ahead of any artistic vision. I recall going through the list of writers for MV and there were maybe a couple of dozen who wrote just one episode. Many more wrote just a handful. The total number of writers was in the many dozens. There’s no way they could all remember the details of every character’s back story, etc... Many of those writers were submitting to other series as well. It was just a different process then compared to today. You are right about not expecting the level of scrutiny as well. Back then, Trekkies were about the only extreme TV series fans I had ever heard of and they were considered a bit odd. I was a teenager when the show first aired and I watched it. It was a huge hit but I don’t recall talking about any of those kind of details with friends who watched. It was all about the slick style, the music, the setting, the fashions.

Agreed! I think by then he realized how important his son’s and friend’s lives were to him and he was trying to be there for them.

Yes, there are many things we do not see first hand what happens at VICE. And yet it is real and important for the story. And yes, in season 5 Crockett often acts mature, responsible and compassionate. Until episode 10, he saved Celeste, saved Kathleen, watched over Joey's sickbed, comforted Trudy, cared for Stan, helped Caroline and Bob, and is a caring father to Billy. Wow, that's quite a lot!

Charlie Glide rears his head again. Robbie C ought to appreciate this ep too

The waitress Switek and Zito annoyed with the bug glasses and their crazy talk? Yeah she was gorgeous.

Exactly...in the last couple seasons they had Crockett trying to mature with being a better father to Billy, and be more involved in his life. Glad you found the scene! We were not necessarily given “exact” timeframes of when Sonny was with Billy or not...but that was not really the point. The point was to show that Crockett was evolving & being more involved with his son. Plus, the character of Billy was never supposed to be a “regular” or that important of an aspect in the day-to-day (or night-to-night ) cases & Vice cop work Crockett and Tubbs had to perform in each episode. Pretending MV-world was real, I’m sure there were plenty of times Crockett spent time with Billy that we as viewers didn’t get to see nor were privy to.

One of Jan's powerful cues and Dadrian got this near perfect, to be honest I cannot notice the difference. Fine work.

The shot that was previously not identified till last year that I found thanks to @RedDragon86posting it and @Crockettt identifying the episode is definitely from this episode. Shot from just over the Carriage House condo at 5401 Collins with the Ferrari heading south past the small park - my photos of this location were from late April 2019.

Hitler finds out there is no more toilet paper.

Hitler discovers he has Coronavirus virus

“Oh really?”

^ Delorean? Cool car! Welcome from Finland! -J

The stripper in the pilot for sure

right next to Crockett

I've been thinking about how "Miami Vice" works. And so I came to the conclusion that a season of Vice for me is like a painting. Every single episode of this season contributes a piece to the creation of the painting. Until the picture is almost complete. But never totally, there are still free parts of the painting. I think this goes very well with how Bren 10 describe Michael Mann's style as a director. Even though Mann never officially directed an episode with Vice... I hope, it is understandable what I try to say ...

Here's the interview: https://www.coopertalk.net/ A very interesting indepth interview with Saundra Santiago. When she auditioned the show wasen't called MV. I think it was Gold Coast. She was the first one to be cast on MV and also read with Larry Wilcox, one of the guys that auditioned for the part of Sonny Crockett. At that time, an actor for the main role hadn't been cast yet. Olivia Brown originally was cast a guest star, but then became a regular, since they thought Gina and Trudy were great as a team. She recalls everyone of the cast members except for PMT broke up with their "better half" in the second year. She was upset, that she couldn't do this Spielberg movie by Michael Mann/Universal as John Diehl had left the show and they didn't want to lose another cast member. And also disappointed, as she pictured her role would be larger on MV more even with the main stars. It was a "fight for the camera" to get more screen time. She was tied to the five year contract, not allowed to do movie projects. And before her accident, she was supposed to be in this movie made by EJO's son Bodie about 9/11, I believe where she was supposed to be Edward James Olmos's girlfriend. She believes the show ending mostly had to do with DJ wanting to move on to a movie career. Also talks about life after Vice to her present. Some of the things about MV, I knew from the interview in "The Making of MV" book and other discussions/threads here on the forum. I didn't get to hear the full podcast, but it was great to get knowledge about her background, her time on MV and point of view. A great interview!