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Great read Robbie as always.

Oops never mind

Just my 2-cents, but normally the viewing room doesn't have a bunch of furniture for folks to sit around and stare at an open casket. Usually the seating is outside the room and people can go in and view, or not. And if it was, the casket would be at the end, not the side as it appears here. 3rd photo down with Switek has a floor outlet, not a common item in a viewing room. 4th picture down, the left side "window" is very bright but the larger right side isn't, looks like a light panel posing as a window. 3rd photo down we see the same cutout behind Gina and Trudy, but with no "windows". One has to assume these are the side to a long "rectangle" room 5th picture down we see a semicircle and a doorway so based on 4th picture, there is another semi-circle. So at a minimum we have a 180-degree "entrance" to a rectangle shaped room. I don't see the casket being framed on a side wall. The floor is definately Art Deco which would be out of place for a funeral home. Based on the building out the window, we could possibly looking out the back not the front. The front of the building could be flat.

My pleasure - quite a distance in the two locations.

No different area - Jack of All Trades was way north at the 79th Street Causeway at Pelican Harbor Park.

Reference this I did notice the off peach - light orange interior walls matched, or came quite close, to the office scenes filmed at 400 South Pointe Drive used in this episode. The exterior columns also(which were filmed at 400 South Pointe Dr as we know).

He mattered because of his vision for the show and supervisor of episodes. Michael Mann's input and advice on crime which he knows a lot about went along way, he wasn't just there for the visual's and style. Without him we wouldn't have had Dennis Farina, EJO and a lot of other actors who he knew personally. In my opinion he tweaked scripts and tidied them up. The touch of a top class filmmaker watching over the show, who in the same league as Scorsese or Tarantino is better than what Cooper or Wolf had to offer.

Thanks guys! I would like to add the floor plan of the Espinoza house, if someone wants to understand where exactly they filmed inside the house. The kitchen is obvious, but the long isle with glass brick wall seen in the episode is on the right of the main floor in this plan for example. The living room is heading to the yard/pool/street side. That terrace door near the kitchen and looking out to the pool is where the guard was killed by the Savage from behind. Red and purple X mark the Savage attack sites (in master bedroom the green X marks the filming for Espinoza). The attack on Castillo has been filmed on two locations inside the house. Before, we see the Savage waiting on the corner of the long isle for Castillo, then it cuts and then he attacks Castillo a few yards further on another corner. Now, the Savage is waiting in the gym room on Castillo. Thus, I have marked two X´s in the map. By the way, they made Castillo look like an unprofessional fool in this attack scene. Castillo is not taking care of the only "dead" (uncovered) angle that is closest/most dangerous to him and this is exactly where the Savage hides. Not even a rookie in police school would make this mistake! As we have the floor plan and so many realtor pics: Maybe @C Glide wants to add a more detailed interior scrutiny of the filmed scenes (e.g. where Castillo was stabbed)when he finally updates this episode on his location page? P.S. if that floor plan is correct, the scene where VanTrengh kills Coleman in his room could not possibly be filmed inside the Espinoza house. The layout of the VanTrengh-Coleman scene simply does not match with any room constellation inside. I bet it was a studio set then.

This is the type of statement I don’t find useful in any discussion at all unless you tell us why do did not like it. Don’t get me wrong- I accept your opinion even if I don’t share it regarding both episodes, but a nihilistic „the ep is crap. period“ should not be part of any discussion anywhere unless you simply want to bash against something you don’t like at all which is probably not the case with MV being a Long term member on a fan forum?

The island, Tubbs's old NY friend, who worked on Calderone-when I watched the first time, I was sure, she was a nurse of his child. So easy was to find his kid there-only one talk:)

Yeah, the new writers basically abandoned and did away with previous plot lines or character storylines, and subsequently a couple were left open-ended and/or never concluded. They should have concluded the Tubbs’ baby one...given it closure. It didn’t need to be always front and center, but just an episode to show that Tubbs did learn his son was alive.

Mann had precious little to do with the writing. Face that truth, too. Style and visuals, yes. But the writing was erratic with him and without him because it didn't matter to him that much. If it did, he would have written (or been involved with) more than one episode and maybe directed one. It's obvious he could do character arcs and development when he felt like it (Crime Story, anyone?), but clearly he didn't care that much about that side of Vice. If the "face" of Vice didn't care, why would anyone else on the production team?

And that's one of the biggest flaws with Vice in my view. By the time they FINALLY got around to really exploring characters like Trudy and Switek, it was too late. Trudy singing should have happened much sooner, and the whole breakdown of Switek in Season 5 should have happened after Larry's murder. They waited too long...

It definitely didn't belong in MV with the UFO theme! I recall reading, that Olivia didn't rehearse the script, as she thought the producers were joking. She was the one, who got Michael Mann to hire James Brown on the show. Maybe the episode would've been more acceptable, if it had turned out, that it was just a dream Trudy had. It's a shame, because some other sides of Trudy were shown here, when she is singing for instance and I liked those parts of it. And the song by James Brown, "I feel good." I guess, there were some scenes I did like. I know, that Vice sometimes picked untraditional themes with Voodoo and Poetry in S2 and even though "Tale of a Goat" had some supernatural vibe to it, this was just taking it too far. At least the episode is good for a laugh. And seeing some of Trudy.

Tubb's kid? I agree about desision not to focus on a baby, ok. But it should have been smth to finish this line. Because fans are not fools and they showed the fans that the baby was stolen, not killed.

Yes. This is the thing I'll never forgive the writers

You go as long as you can earn money with it. And even if you are 35th in US ratings as in season 4 you can still have a sufficient audience number in the US and abroad-Vice was sold to 50+ countries! And you don’t stop after three seasons as you needed 100 episodes as a rule of thumb for successful syndication which recoups production cost as happened in 89 when they sold it to USA network.

The first 10 that come to mind—in no order: Rain Man Batman (1989) O Brother Where Art Thou? Drive The Godfather Scrooged Raising Arizona The Big Lebowski Star Wars Episode IV The Holiday

Flayer - Wanna Get Back Your Love (Mix 2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZrQxYFoA0k It use to be on Spotify but got removed

Definitely Levi’s 501s. You can tell they’re Levi’s by the back pocket stitching and the leather patch. You can also tell their 501s specifically because 501s have a button fly which has a second denim part where the zipper would be. I’m a big Levi’s fan. They are the original, first jeans company.

Ely Pouget from Junk Love. Absolute stunner.

Wow, I never picked up on that being her. Amazing how we still get surprised every now and then by an actor or actress from back then to now or when they became famous.

I understand why you felt this way, but there are some classic scenes in this episode. The pool game competition for one; the boat race-which I know, some folks hate; Castillo's confrontation with Louis McCarthy after the race; Crockett and Gina on the St. Vitus. Guess I liked parts of this episode.