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I read this one didn't air in the UK because it portrayed the IRA in a sympathetic light, guess they missed the part where the guy tries to blow up a CONCORDE at the end!!. Those censors weren't too bright, nor understood nuance. Thought this was a really good episode, it's a much better political story than Free Verse or something. Saundra Santiago gives her best performance yet. Liam Neeson is decent. The love scene between them is way more intense than I remember, damn. 8/10

The best part 6:56

One of the challenges many Vice episodes have (this one, Free Verse, God's Work) is far too many people don't understand (or care to look into) the context of the time they were made. Vice tried to be 'edgy' in what it covered, and that makes it hard to translate or comprehend after the fact.

First of all, sorry I missed this! I totally forgot guys. Please forgive me lol. Thank you all for the birthday wishes, it was a fantastic birthday :D

The original is by Ultravox from 1977, this cover version was done in 1982, good instrumental part.

You got it, Tom! Knox yells this at the beginning of the episode, “Glantz! Glantz! You murderer! You’re gonna pay! It’s not just a movie, it’s real! It’s real!” (Pardon me if the quote is not 100% precise.) If I would have included the rest of the quote, it would have been a dead giveaway!

Death and the lady. Tulane Knox.

Apparently not sweet enough?

You need to understand this in context to the political opinion of the British government at that time which was exactly matching Richard Cross character’s opinion (All freedom fighters are terrorists and should be killed on sight, no trial, no negotiations, no concessions, blacking out all surpressionary measures that caused these riots; Cross said once “The Irish have rights” - but this was just lip service, most Irish were treated like black people in South African townships in the 80s). Needless to say that this was an extreme vigilante position no democratic government should adopt irrespective what the other side is doing, but that was exactly the reason British public TV BBC could not broadcast this episode as the government position in it (Cross) was clearly critized and also shown as illegal (Cross was arrested for just disregarding law). PS there is a good chance that the Northern Ireland conflict is revived after Britain’s Brexit from the EU. UK signed a peace agreement in the late 90s with both Irish states based on a “no border” rule between Ireland and Northern Ireland. But as GB failed to find any solution how to maintain that no border situation after self-chosen Brexit on 1 Jan 2021 (Ireland will stay in EU, but Northern Ireland won’t), the old conflict might pop up again with unclear consequences when border and customs controls will be imposed again between Irish states.

Thanks guys.

Somehow I missed this post! That is amazing! I am very jealous!

Good thinking. There really are more happy endings than I remembered!

1:25 on Crockett’s Testarossa. Very careful hand paint job on the side intakes. That car is not very forgiving with the black and white paint scheme. Least favorite part is the panel lines.

I don’t know...perhaps? The “VooDoo zombie” idea from both ‘tales’ is definitely identical.

I've reached season 3 during my rewatch of the show in production date order, rather than air date order. It's amazing how by starting with El Viejo in season 3, this episode helps ease us into the new direction the show was going, now that we've had an "appetizer", so to speak, with the aforementioned El Viejo. It wasn't nearly as jarring as my first go-round when I just watched them in the order my DVDs have them in. I definitely like this episode a lot more now. I like Gina and it's a shame after season 3 we didn't see much of her anymore. I love that R&B song they play throughout the episode. Liam Neeson is as charming as he is psychotic in this episode (I thought his bug-eyed/wide-eyed stare he does a few times was a little hammy, though, lol). I was little sad at the end when Gina's forced to take him down. Of course the moment was slightly ruined for me when I noticed the stuntman laying on the ground moved his head before it cut to Liam's close-up. Obviously they didn't catch that in the days of standard definition and figured no one would notice, lol. And speaking of bloopers, at the end when Crockett and Tubbs take off (after finding Sweitek and Zito bound and gagged in their van), you can see Michael Talbott turn his head and laugh at the end of the shot, lol. I also like the new direction Jan Hammer is starting to take the music, using lower pitched synth sounds for a darker tone and the obviously new sound of added heavy metal electric guitars. My overall thoughts on season 3 notwithstanding, it's kind of a shame that they didn't stick with this style for the later seasons. Sure it ain't the bright, sunny white on pastels we were used to at this point, but I feel this new take could've gave the series stronger legs to stand on than what they inevitably went with. I'm not even halfway through the entire series yet, and I can already say for certain that from now on, with the exception of "Calderone's Return" in season 1 (parts 1 and 2 were shot with another episode in between. Guess they needed time for traveling to the island for part 2, lol), THIS is the order I'm gonna watch them in whenever I rewatch the series in the future. Though I'm taking notes of whichever episodes I don't like, so that I never watch them again. 5 seasons is a lot of content to get through lol. But for now, I'm 2 episodes into season 3 and I haven't been disappointed yet. And given the next episode that was shot, "Shadow in the Dark", is coming up next, I'm gleefully looking forward to my next sit-down with the Dade crew. After my first go-round many years ago, I would've rated the episode about a 6/10. After this rewatch I'll give the episode a generous 9/10. As I said about El Viejo, it may not look like "Vice" anymore, but at least (for the most part) it still feels like Miami Vice. **Edit** I'm halfway through "Shadow" and Crockett's already got his Testarossa before it was given to him. "Stone's War" was shot 5th. Guess you can't avoid continuity no matter how you watch this show, lol.

I really enjoy this one. Saundra Santiago impresses me a lot in the episode especially in the last scene. Jan Hammer delivers the goods as he always does and Liam Neeson is one of my favourite guest stars. 9/10

Its been off the air for over 30 years but this show is eternal. Great shows never die and the reason I think its got such a cult following and interest still to this day is because it was way ahead of its time. Vice for life

"Amen! Feeling good is all about having a winning attitude!" (Rev. B.B. Proverb) or in Crockett's words: "Mellow out, pal. That uptight New York dog-eat-dog mind-set just doesn't make it down here. This is Miami. Things are more relaxed."

No, but I'll give you a, "Joo goddit, mang."

AMEN!

Finally! Some words of wisdom! I have no plans of locking this topic or banning anyone. I would however like to see it return to it's original intent. I've been told numerous times that this is the most peaceful site on the internet. Let's keep it that way. So everyone take a breath, lose the insults and get back to business. Can I get an Amen?

Maybe it’s just me but I don’t get the logic of your request then to shut down this thread. As you said, MV is off the air for 30 years now. If we can’t discuss any new developments like a potential re-boot (irrespective if it materializes or meets up anyone’s expectations) then we probably are just trying to ride a dead horse here on the forum. Honestly speaking that might be true. With every year that elapses all these reboot plans and Tim Truman promises get shallower and less likely and I am tending to ignore them. 90% of it might be just some bla bla from some Ex MV stars like DJ anyway who bait some publicity when you stick a mike to their face and ask repeatedly about MV (I don’t blame them, just stating a logical reason) and we all know that most ideas that are „seriously“ discussed in Hollywood never see the light. MV was a Culture phenomenon in a special time context that is not easily transferable to other decades as other cop shows. Somehow I realize that I am not keen anymore on any actual MV reboot myself as it would rather destroy a great memory than do something good but that‘s just me. Nevertheless I will fight for this forum being open to any new development threads, serious or not, good or bad, and will strongly oppose shutting down anything for relevance as this would choke off the reason of existence for this great site.

But was the right material for MV though? It was better when they were tackling "The Contras" and the drugs coming in from Thailand instead of eccentric preachers and UFO's we seen in S4.

Each to his own The way I saw it, the show appeared to imply that Carroon was giving a talk at a church (possibly one Gina occasionally attended since she knew the priest) and his talk was about using peaceful means to obtain justice for the Catholic population of Northern Ireland, which had been oppressed for hundreds of years. Gina, ever the idealist, was taking all this in. I was never sure if she let him know then that she was a police officer, but she did tell him later on. I liked Gina a lot, but she usually did jump into situations without asking as many questions or being as skeptical as I thought she should have been. She acted a bit younger/ more innocent than she was supposed to be. Carroon naturally put himself out to get acquainted with this beautiful woman who seemed interested in justice just as he claimed to be (and perhaps he really believed he was working for a just cause, and that the ends justified the means). And naturally Gina was attracted to the handsome Irishman who spoke of obtaining justice by peaceful means instead of violence. the relationship seemed rushed, but I didn't feel it was forced at all. Once Carroon did find out Gina was a cop, he probably figured he'd string her along and spending time with her would serve as a cover for his true activities of buying the Stinger missiles. I don't know if my interpretation was what the writers had in mind, but it made sense to me.

I definitely think that more could have been done with Tubbs being falsely accused of attempted rape/sexual assault. Maybe even its own episode. It was certainly sidestepped here.