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i believe it has to do with the way you got raised a bit too. i had a mom, that always told me not to bother too much about what other people think. and personnally i have absolutely no problem to get naked on the beach. of course when i want to get nude i choose a desert beach. but i did it recently again last month in Corsica. swimming like this gives a really pleasant feeling of freedom. like a aunt of mine said once, we didn't arrive on earth with a suitcase @AndrewRemington: yeah, Vanity was definitely a cute she-cat

I'd been meaning for a while to get some good screenshots of Ali Ferrand (Vanity) from "By Hooker By Crook". She was a real knockout!

You can show beautiful Cinder’s behind any time you want.

Just remember, the “little worm” looks might appetizing to all the hungry fishes in the water!

Thanks Tony for starting the thread and thank you guys & gals for your Birthday wishes! @Dadrian thanks for your words. Well, my vice days are far past, but I like to go back to them once in a while ;-) @RedDragon86 Cool nickname & avatar, from one of my fave movies ever ;-)

LOL! Although I *think* perhaps Robbie was thinking of "broadcast TV" like NBC, rather than a cable/ pay network like FX. Several interesting points here. I especially like Ferrariman's point about enjoying shows that aren't filled with profanity, explicit violence, blood, nudity and sex--while appreciating very much Pahonu's comments: Certainly it's true that network TV, supported by advertising, sanitized many elements of the criminal and police activity depicted on Miami Vice. But a show that aired at 10 p.m. (as it was for at least S1-2) was never geared to children, regardless of the fact that children apparently watched it, even early-on. Later as it was syndicated and shown at different times, I"m sure more younger people watched. The potential income from syndication no doubt was another factor (besides network rules on language, violence and nudity) that motivated some of the sanitization. Cable provides so much more competition today, and niche audiences are OK for cable shows. If MV had been aired first in today's climate, I'm sure it would have been much more graphic, athough perhaps not as much of a widespread pop cultural influence.

That is one my favorite Jan Hammer moments.

Very much this. It was the foundation for my short story Homebodies. Crockett knew where he was headed. He'd seen it enough times in the first season alone (Heart of Darkness and Evan, anyone?). And given how he fell apart once Hackman killed Caitlin, anyone who claims he didn't love her has some serious personal issues to work through. Sonny had a history of rushing into things and not considering all the complications that might arise from his actions. Although I don't believe the timeline is as compressed as many seem to, I don't have a huge issue with the pace of the courtship. It's just a shame they didn't follow this one up with another similar episode or something like Tom mentions, but I suspect it came down to Sheena's availability. She wasn't a fixed character, so they couldn't get her for just any episode they wanted. The reality of TV. For those who watch NCIS LA, that was the main reason they killed LL Cool J's character's wife according to Frank Military. She wasn't a regular, so they couldn't use the character as often as they wanted.

Interesting question! We’re all fans of Vice as we know it and probably struggle to envision it any other way. If I had to comment on the differences, I would agree with many here and say it definitely would include far more graphic language, sex, and drug use. My argument, however, would be that this isn’t gratuitous, but rather reflective of that reality. The activities and behaviors of the criminal underworld are obviously not the same as those of the general society most of us live in. Organized crime adds an extra level of rationalization about these types of behaviors as they become normalized when constantly surrounded by them. Greater society might view these behaviors as degenerate but inside that world, they become normalized, as I said. When shows depict this kind of behavior, it is shocking to many, but I believe, it is a more accurate representation of that reality. Miami Vice without these restrictions would certainly be different but likely more accurate and realistic. If you think about it, young children really shouldn’t be exposed to any of these concepts. The fact that the show was “sanitized” to some extent to be shown on network television allowed younger viewers to learn about these things, right or wrong.

Ummmm. That’s not the Cinder I was thinking of.

Oh, a butt connaisseur

OK, I warned ya!

That’s what had me thinking the Heart of Night teaser, but I should’ve thought: Masek would not have been driving a Plymouth.

Go ahead, RedDragon86... Make it easy.

I reviewed this one five years ago. Just rewatched it last night. It’s embarrassing for me to say, but the plot still confuses me. So did Joe Dan really sell cocaine or was it just at the end he was going to sell it? Maybe this episode just kind of lacks a point? It sounds like @ViceFanMan also questioned the point of the episode. Regardless, I have much respect for the all the Native tribes. I can still enjoy the ride of an episode but still be enjoying it brainlessly. There are other episodes I’ve seen multiple times but still don’t really get the picture. I feel kind of like Homer in this clip.

Happy Belated Birthday @Jerry B. ... Hope you had a Vice Day for the occasion ...

Don’t show beautiful Cinder from behind as next case because that will be even easier

Baseballs of death teaser too easy

Happy Birthday Jerry.

Senator Palpatine Rx?

Maybe a “director’s cut” version.

I went once several years ago to the totally nude beach between Miami and Ft. Lauderdale. I forget the name. I was going to Ft. Lauderdale for a business trip and I told a female friend I was going. She self invited herself and said we are going to the nude beach down there! I a said oh...ok... In all honestly, after the first five minutes you don’t feel odd anymore as you realize everyone one the beach isn’t staring, pointing and laughing AT YOU! and truthfully everyone else looks just as out of shape and pathetic as you do so you just fit in. I think the impression of nude beaches is everyone there looks like folks on a porn set. Truth is, most all the folks on the beach would never be hired for a porn set. My only real tip is to wear a good sun block...

Just about what you'd expect from HBO. Nudity, language, etc. Probably more explicit scenes of drug usage. I'm not opposed to any of this but I like my "Vice" just the way it is thanks.

I hope you enjoy the flowers

Good points. I think the overall dark/bleak tone of the series wouldn’t suit a long-lasting relationship or marriage. MV wasn’t about happy endings very often.

I think they did the right thing not to bring Gina and Sonny together officially and they also kinda “explained” their relationship. In Nobody lives forever we learnt from a conversation Brenda-Crockett that Crockett “warned” Brenda upfront that he and Gina had a special bond and sometimes that also involved sex but it was clear from this dialogue that Crockett deemed it as a special “best friend” bond that would step back once either of them was in a relationship. Crockett was married at the beginning and both had love interest over the years in several episodes but all of them were job related not with someone they had met in their private lives. I think given all these circumstances a persistent Gina-Crockett relationship or marriage would have been to kitschy and unrealistic.... MV was not good in deep relationship explainations or its continuity (also think about Crockett & Caitlin agreeing to meet in three weeks in NYC and never following up with this until her death in Miami). In Like a hurricane Crockett somehow felt obliged to tell Gina first about his marriage with Caitlin (after not touching their relationship for 60+ episodes) and Gina responded something like “Thanks but why would I bother now?”

I agree with the most of you that Sonny and Gina would have been a great couple as well. I don’t know why they didn’t pursue that... If they had we probably wouldn’t have the great Sonny romance episodes like “Nobody Lives Forever”, “Theresa”, “By Hooker By Crook” and the Caitlin/Burnett saga. If there was no Caitlin would there be no Burnett trilogy? Probably? I guess he still could have become Burnett after the boat explosion incident by itself.

Thankyou @Kladdagh, @summer84, @Tom, @Dadrian, @Vincent Hanna, @AndrewRemington, @Glades, @Crockettt, @Vicefan7777 and of course @Tony D. and everyone - great messages, I had a great day ~thanks one and all.

What really happened to Elvis? I’ll tell ya...

He took over in Season 3 and was responsible for all those "ripped from the headline" plots. Arguably, Dick Wolf took all the fun out of Miami Vice. He had too much Law and Order on his mind with episodes like Contempt of Court, and he also OK'd the god awful Missing Hours.

I actually lived a couple of "scenes" from the movie in real life