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well well well, all's well that ends well...how do I react, hum... this needs to sink in a bit first I guess. Right now - and I just saw this whole revelation a few minutes ago - it's a tidal wave of mixed feelings to be honest. First and formeost, I'm really really happy someone finally found this sucker and I congratulate @Paul Veres from the rocky bottom of my heart for being the one. It's a HUGE relief not having to wonder about this anymore and not to constantly feel an urge to steal time from my family life to stare at blurry aerials until my eyes hurt. So sincere thanks for that. On the other hand, I also feel a bit of emptyness from not having found it myself...not for the sake of losing out on the fame and glory in the forum, I totally grant this to you @Paul Veres - and with the effort you put in, you deserve every bit of it - but for not being able to experience the massive kick of excitement I usually had when I found a location myself. There's a lot of energy that I don't get to blow of by dancing on my desk now And...what will I do with my life from now on?

The DEA didn't even exist during the time they said Castillo would have been a member. Since some of the people who initially formed DEA came from CIA, I had Castillo being CIA first, then moving to DEA, and later shifting to Metro-Dade to try to have a more local impact on the situation.

Somebody contact Tom's family and tell them not to make any noise for the next 48 hours as he catches up on 5 years of lost sleep. I was 200% convinced the house was in Miami Shores or near there, based on the crew member lead and the look of the house. Kudos to Paul and many thanks to Derek for revealing this location. Also thanks to Tom for the aerials. This one is incredibly good considering all the trees on the property.

I found pretty good 3D aerials on the Miami Dade property records BING site which has annual aerials since 2007 (date in the upper left corner of the pics below): It shows that the seating area of Crockett and Caroline looked pretty much like in the episode until 2008 - first few pics. The thick L-shaped hedge behind Crockett (whose purpose I never really understood) was the hedge around the pool whose pool house they magically blacked out by careful camera work. Somewhere in 2012 they remodelled the house strongly and build new buildings where C&C sat down so that the whole terrace was destroyed. See views from south and west below. The view from the east (entrance side) is blocked by trees over all the years. The last pic is how the property looks today from above, with the house in the same building state as 2012 (big remodelling). Wow, what a find, a 20+year search is over and the house was close to Coral Gables locations in this episode and I specifically searched this area last year when I cruised around there with @Paul Veresin his car on Miller Drove and SW60 just a few blocks away

now with the location list of this episode organized by @Paul Vereswe know that they indeed filmed inside Lincoln Theater which was closed at the time for renovation. Interesting.

@Tom, @daytona365 ... I have it… It’s been sought for so long, I don’t feel like immediately revealing it in one post... Especially because the final finding method is quite unclimactic given all the effort put in, so I’ll leave that to the last of my few posts below, along with the exact address. But here it is in 2009, in all its only-available-in-low-res-photo glory, though the door is different these days.

I think it’s basically a matter of time and people’s tastes changing. I’ve read about sports obscure today that used to be quite popular in various places. One was bicycle track racing, which took place on indoor wood floored velodromes. The audiences bet on the winners like horse racing. This was in the late 19th and early 20th century. It’s still around, but used to be much more popular. There were velodromes in cities across the US, some cities having multiple venues. One of its big stars, in this time of segregation, was actually an African American rider named Major Taylor. I recall reading 25+ years ago, an article by an LA Times sports writer who was retiring, about changing tastes in sports. This was in the 90’s. He recalled the most popular sports (and the most coveted beat to report on) when he began his career after WWII were boxing, horse racing, and MLB. I’ve also read several articles in the last few years about the very large number of municipal golf courses around the country that have closed as the sport’s popularity is waning with younger generations. At least jai alai is still popular somewhere. “Real tennis” is another example. It predates the tennis we all know today. It was once the popular version in the 18th and 19th centuries and a court was even built at Versailles. There are only a couple of dozen courts left in the world today. It’s a strange mashup of tennis and racquetball, with walls and roof slopes that the ball can be played off of. Edit: here’s a link. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_tennis

Totally get it, this kind of stuff is almost disappointing, that's why I said it was unclimactic and thought the actual address is at that point the least interesting thing given it's just taken off some sheet... That's why when I was working on my huge Pain & Gain project I said that I "cheated" when out of the 87 locations identified 2 I just found in filming permits I got from Miami Beach government... It's just really not the same feeling as when you untangle the mystery yourself through hard work. I'm inclined to say it is especially disappointing when you, upon learning the location, can think that you would have gotten it yourself anyway with just more work (not saying that's the case with the house). But yes, in practical terms, good to put this to rest. And the effort is never wasted - in this MV universe, I believe it's also the journey and not just the destination, as we learn a ton while hunting, like architecture styles, history, etc.

I’ll say that Crockett’s military service was one of the sloppiest writing aspects of the show. I realized it even as a kid watching, it just seemed “off”…. I would say it’s comparable to Castillo’s past as a “DEA operative”, who also was in Vietnam and who also was tied to the CIA, and then for some unexplained reason downgraded to a county Sheriffs department, and rose to the rank of Lieutenant in a few years… all pretty inconceivable, but could have been written to be a little more palatable if they just took the time.. kind of lazy writing in my opinion, but it is television in the 80’s so… I always pictured Castillo as more former CIA than federal law enforcement… and they certainly alluded more to CIA in Bushido than DEA… almost like they couldn’t make up their mind.. and same thing happened with Croketts background..

...and myself...

Thanks. Still unknown: Borrasca (carpentry/Art´s store) Miami Squeeze (shooting range) Love at first sight (the kill site with the pink apartment building most likely designed by Gerard Pitt) Heroes of the revolution ("Havana" street part and the theater/room where Gina´s mother and Herzog live) Cool running (domino bar and Rockhouse/Reaggae club, most likely the same location, but no address on location call sheet I posted on the respective thread) minor ? in other eps: the motel scene in Milk Run, Izzy´s place in Lend me an ear and Hooker by Crook and the big box ring at the end of Down for the count. All other 1000+ locations we have found.

Amen. Same with me. I greatly thank Paul for saving us finally from going nuts on this, but the real adrenalin kick of finding it is missing when reading it off the location list of Universal. If we really succeed in persuading Derek who seems to have bought all location notes from all episodes from late Robert Hoelscher´s estate in 2022 to read us all the 5 missing locations addresses as well, then the good thing is we have all locations complete in the 40th anniversary year, but we won´t have this great kick of finding a location on Google maps/Street view anymore!

Speaking of an interior tour of the house: there was a virtual tour once on the Redfin site at the time of the last sale 2008 https://www.redfin.com/FL/Miami/5080-SW-62nd-Ave-33155/home/43087716 but the link to it is broken now. Click on the Redfin link, then click on "property facts" further down the page. A new window pops up and there is the tour link. See below. I found it when searching for the architect´s name of the house. I suspect either John Skinner (built the house on Anderson Road with identical door) or Maurice Fatio, but no luck - no one mentioned.

I think you know that link already, as I get there from the Miami Dade Property Appraiser site: https://www.miamidade.gov/Apps/PA/PropertySearch/#/ when you enter a specific address in the search field like "5080 SW 62 Ave" (spare Miami as this is the Miami database only anyway) you get to the main page of each address (pic1), the you click on the upper right hand corner on Map View/View/Angled Aerial View (pic2) and then you can select (pic3) from a long range of years (mostly each year from 2006 onwards - upper left hand side pull down menu) and different views (2D/90 degree angle from above=top and 3D views like west/north/suoth/east. They have integrated Bing to do that which delivers the best and sharpest images, much better than Google Maps.

I’ve recently heard about & acquired a bizarre, but interesting movie called Bunny Lake Is Missing (1965). It wasn’t that popular when it was first released, but over the years & decades it’s now considered & become a cult-classic! It was a British-American psychological thriller, directed by Otto Preminger. It stars Carol Lynley as Ann Lake—a single young mother desperately searching for her missing 4-year-old daughter Bunny, after moving to London…along with her brother. She goes to pick her up from a pre-school, and there’s no sign of her. Plus, the school’s staff doesn’t remember ever seeing the girl! More strange and telling events occur as suddenly when the cop in charge of the case (played by veteran actor Laurence Olivier) discovers that none of the young child’s clothes or personal items are in Ann’s flat…they’ve disappeared! But, then it’s discovered that Ann had an imaginary playmate as a child named “Bunny”. Hardly any trace of this little girl can be found…yet both Ann and her brother swear she exists & someone has taken her. Does Bunny Lake really exist…or is she the fragment of imagination, from the twisted & tormented mind of Ann? Is the preschool in on the disappearance…or are they in the “London fog” like the rest of us? Filmed mostly in London, the locations and cinematography are superb, and definitely add to the creepy & odd plot & atmosphere! The plot twists themselves were intriguing and kept you captivated until the finale. Also, the English 60s rock band “The Zombies” have a strange cameo a couple times…which really helped add a cool-creepy vibe! And the end is wild…very disturbing but in a fascinating way! Very “dark”, especially for the time this film was made…because this was the 60s, some aspects could not be directly shown on screen. But, that’s okay….we don’t need to see the “details”, as what is shown & portrayed leaves you no trouble reading between the proverbial “inappropriate” lines! This was a delightful, out-there, creepy, suspenseful thriller. Stellar performances by everyone, and I love a movie that uses actual acting & locations (instead of lots of CGI type special effects) to make my skin crawl. The Powerhouse/Indicator Blu-ray, with lots of cool & interesting special features, is superb!

Now that the To Have and To Hold house has been found, may I ask if we have any clue whatsoever on the Jamaican bar? Idk why this one is so intriguing to me. I guess it’s my J-50. But you guys have found some of my other J-50s!!

Finally, I tried to get the best out of the bad 2008 pictures and enhanced/enlarged them. @airtommyI am still awake, let´s wait how @daytona365reacts as he spent nearly as many hours on this b.tchy holy grail of MV locations.

@Paul VeresCan you please ask Derek for other episodes, especially Borrasca (carpentry location) and Miami Squeeze (shooting range) and the killsite in Love at first sight? I suspect he is the guy who bought the 111 episode location and production notes boxes from late Robert Hoelscher in 2022! If he is, he can help us finding all 5 missing locations in one go.

Also interesting: the house was sold in August 1991 by Richard Lancaster, the owner at the time of filming to the next owner. The 2012 extension was nearly as big as the original house, adding more than 2000 square feet to the original 3000+sq.feet. The sketch in the Miami Dade property database is also below.

yeah personnally i used to see the ja alai as a strong marker of Miami. but well sometimes history takes paths no human can stop you know. I sincerely hope they'll suceed in saving it. even crumbs. the important being it doesn't die

Wow you earned your place in location sleuth hall of fame for this find. I searched every single house in South Miami but due to all the reasons you mentioned I failed to see it! I hope that Derek also has the sheets from Borrasca and Miami Squeeze to find the other two unknown 5th season locations!

As to the source, I asked Derek, the MV 40 anniversary organizer, and he had the production sheet. Here it is, and there is the address. It is quite amazing how much time we’ve spent while it’s just sort of out there… Fun hunt though anyway!

With the few crappy pictures available online and challenges above, it’s hard to quickly match it even knowing it is the house! Maybe it’s not the house?? The photos we do have ultimately make the match sure. Here are a few observations. You can find all the photos in this Zillow listing – the house was last sold in 2009, hence the crappy photo quality. I might drive to it at some point, though with that hedge and gate, I unfortunately won’t be able to get too close.

It ended up being in South Miami, which is certainly not out of the core realm we thought of, but never really came up as a focus of search. I probably drove by it once or twice, but here is why we never really found it through remote search. 1. Its tall hedging and long driveway behind a gate prohibit good observation from available Google Street views. This is the best one to see, from 2021: 2. It faces East, not South, which was pretty much ruled out originally, so we chased differently oriented houses. 3. From above, it is very well hidden by mature tree canopies: 4. It had a huge addition built in 2012 (2,496 sq ft vs the original 3,821 sq ft), which distorts the floor plans we drafted. Though even on historical aerials where it doesn’t have the addition it’s hard to match it due to all the vegetation and the part of the house unseen in the episode, which appears to be quite significant in size: 5. It has a pool with a pool house, which was never a definitive clue of any sort to us. Though we do see a tiny bit of the pool house’s roof/wall behind Crockett in a couple of frames. The pool must be behind that chain link fence. They really put effort into filming to the left and right of Crockett without revealing the pool / pool house – not sure if there was an idea that a pool would be “too Miami” for Georgia. 6. The street behind Crockett is almost misleadingly busy in the episode. It now seems it must be the road in front of the house (which has 3 adjacent neighbors), but I’d never think of it, even today, as having that many cars in that short time. 7. The wall is also confusing, because while there are some walls there now, the 80s aerials don’t seem to have them though I’m not sure.

By the way, my latest methodology actually could have delivered it, we just didn’t look well enough – here it is as one of the 627 houses filtered down to by those proposed parameters. The house was built in 1946 and it sits on an enormous 2.5-acre lot.

Wish them luck saving it. Would be a real loss. At least it is still going strong in French Basque Country, although that is not much compensation.

A still shot on the set of "Buddies", where we can see the upper end of the studio set wall, which is not visible on TV of course.

That Jai Alai article is from 2009. Here's a more recent one: https://apnews.com/article/sports-lifestyle-miami-spain-casinos-1e9ad45ad3e0fbe24a07a48714ebe0af Seeing a Jai Alai match is another thing I have on my list but just never get around to.

I wonder why they call it Hobie Island Beach Park. Seriously, it brings back memories. I learned to sail on a Hobie 16 with a buddy in college in the early 90’s. His father bought it used and we fixed it up. After an injury ended my basketball playing days in college, sailing became my new love. We would tow the Hobie cat with his old VW diesel Dasher up and down the coast and launch from beaches. We went as far north as Santa Barbara where there’s a beach called Leadbetters and people have them stored right on the sand, and all the way down to Baja California Sur where we launched in the Sea of Cortez at spot called Bahía Concepcion. We would sleep in the Dasher, sail when the wind was good, and explore the area the rest of the time. It’s how I decided to move to Long Beach, after a couple sailing trips there. My girlfriend, now wife, and I rented our first apartment and we could see the beach where they still launch cats. I have a Columbia 28 sloop in the marina where I live today. Good times then! Thanks for bringing back the memories.

John Frankenheimer’s (“The Manchurian Candidate”) version matches Friedkin’s original, armed with an excellent script by Laura and Robert Dillon that has a lot of depth and offers a more challenging characterization of the flawed Popeye Doyle urban, bigot character played so superbly by Gene Hackman in both versions. Grade A rating.

our favorite bozos in our least favorite bozo episode (Missing hours)

This was on the Florida Memories Facebook page and we see this shot of Hobie Island Beach Park off the Rickenbacker Cswy enroute to Key Biscayne in several of the closing credit montages. The photo was taken in 1984.

Thank you, all for the Happy Birthday wishes!! I really appreciate it!

I have been a member on here for some time and always enjoy checking in on this site to see new posts. Since I was a big fan of Miami Vice back in the 80’s when I was in High School, I remember I would have given anything to own a McBurney Daytona when the show was on. I have been “window shopping” for the right car for about the last five years but the deal or timing was never right. I was finally fortunate enough to fulfill that dream and found the right one to purchase a few months ago that had been owned by a Dr. for the last 26 years. I am just starting a major mechanical restoration (new Engine) with some additional cosmetic upgrades (exterior & interior) and I hope to have it back on the road by April 1st, 2021. Since this post is to show our cars, I thought I would add a few of my Daytona in its current State in addition to my work Mercedes S550. Any suggestions or words of wisdom from the forum during my Daytona’s upgrade process would be both welcome and appreciated!

i didn't know the ja la lai was in such a bad shape in Florida right now https://eu.palmbeachpost.com/story/sports/2022/05/17/there-still-jai-alai-united-states-dania-and-miami-operate-all-year-fort-pierce-west-palm-beach/9799890002/