bodie Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 Thanks for the grabs Crockettt. Sadly there is consistent haloing around objects, due to excessive sharpening. This may well be inherent in the masters as it's seen on the Mill Creek set too. Evidently it was felt the HD masters needed some artificial pop, which really material like this should not need if handled right. All the more reason why it would be lovely to see fresh new scans of these, delivering a natural genuine detail pop through a consistently encoded tight grain structure of the original film elements. But as that seems highly unlikely, I think one has to welcome these as a 'best yet' in terms of the general picture standard compared to DVD. But still leaves a great deal to be desired in terms of how amazing this could look if the time and money were spent on fully remastering them all from the negatives today. And that's before one gets to the errors introduced in this process, which we've been discussing at length. If it was just the previous limitations of the masters and not the actual errors, I'd be a whole lot more positive about these releases. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crockettt Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 Yes summer84, it's Michael Talbott in the car http://imgur.com/a/8t96Q Scene with Gina on the boat from the Pilot http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5ev9yq Night chase scene from The Hit List http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5ev8x3 Teaser from One-Eyed Jack http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5eux05 Password for all videos is: miamivice 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Hanna Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Crockettt said: Yes summer84, it's Michael Talbott in the car http://imgur.com/a/8t96Q I'll never be able to unsee that now…damnit lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodie Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 2 hours ago, Crockettt said: Password for all videos is: miamivice Many thanks for those Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
summer84 Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 3 hours ago, Crockettt said: Yes summer84, it's Michael Talbott in the car http://imgur.com/a/8t96Q Scene with Gina on the boat from the Pilot http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5ev9yq Night chase scene from The Hit List http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5ev8x3 Teaser from One-Eyed Jack http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5eux05 Password for all videos is: miamivice So great, that mystery has finally been solved. I just watched all the videos and these scenes look outstanding, a whole different experience compared to the DVD's. Everything is more clearer, sharper, detailed, bright and colorful. I'm happy to have seen, how Miami Vice looks on Blu-ray, I've only watched the upscaled videos on Youtube, so this is fantastic! Thanks a lot Crockettt! I'm really grateful for you sharing these videos. What a wonderful surprise!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivoryjones Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) On 3/14/2017 at 9:48 AM, Crockettt said: Matt, I paid 140£ for the set. 3x01 When Irish Eyes Are Crying http://imgur.com/a/Vhpqc 3x04 Walk-Alone http://imgur.com/a/PDBtG 3x11 Forgive Us Our Debts http://imgur.com/a/KMtMO 3x20 By Hooker By Crook http://imgur.com/a/1lWcs 4x03 Death and the Lady http://imgur.com/a/lHPrn 4x11 Rock and a Hard Place http://imgur.com/a/2DRVh 4x22 Mirror Image http://imgur.com/a/5yHC7 5x02 Redemption In Blood http://imgur.com/a/ZS2hd 5x10 To Have and to Hold http://imgur.com/a/4IcdL 5x21 Freefall http://imgur.com/a/h17Mo Please, tell me what episodes and scenes do you want me to do. Thank you very much for the uploads, Crockettt. Those pictures are very good... I wonder if you could also some day upload some "logo" pics, please, especially those from the white glow era. I was not particularly satisfied with them on Mill Creek (though they are better than Universal DVDs from the mid '00s). I can only deal with that because I've found a way to partially fix colors using Intel processor control panel (I've post some of that on the old post here ) I'll upload some from Mill Creek right now (no color correction here, but the jpg images are compressed and may show artifacts): Pilot: Heart of Darkness: One Eyed Jack: The Maze: The Prodigal Son: Little Miss Dangerous: When Irish Eyes are Crying: Theresa: Heroes of the revolution: Contempt of Court: Mirror Image: Hostile Takeover: Freefall: Some additional info about Mill Creek: I'm finishing Season 4 now, and no audio issues appeared since Definitely Miami from Season 2 (regarding Stereo track only, I'm not testing 5.1) . On the other hand, I couldn't believe that the opening of Calderone's Return part II would have Edward James Olmos credited! This is outrageous! Why would they mess with this stuff? Also, though of lesser importance (who am I to say this? I care about opening logo colors LOL), on some early episodes (Heart of Darkness, Cool Runnin'), at the end they've replaced the oldest "Michael Mann production" logos with the standard one that started to appear after Edward James Olmos was part of the show (i'm talking about the MM logos that appear right before the "Universal" clip). Edited March 15, 2017 by ivoryjones 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodie Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 On 15/03/2017 at 2:29 PM, bodie said: Many thanks for those And now content removed, even passworded. Man, that was fast, they must have automatic content identification or something, unless you put anything identifying in the description Crockettt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crockettt Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 No i didn't put anything in the description. I can re-upload these clips on some hosting to download if you want 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
summer84 Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 15 minutes ago, Crockettt said: No i didn't put anything in the description. I can re-upload these clips on some hosting to download if you want I also thought, that was fast, didn't expect it would be removed on the daily motion site. Yes, I would like to download them. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivoryjones Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 Is vimeo still reliable these days? At least in the past, videos with password would last forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators James Posted March 18, 2017 Administrators Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 5 hours ago, ivoryjones said: Is vimeo still reliable these days? At least in the past, videos with password would last forever. Not sure, a lot of these video sharing sites are implementing "Content ID" systems which automatically detects TV shows and movies. I usually use a free cloud service called "pCloud" these days. It's good because they have video streaming on the site along with download. And everything is private/secure, only people with the link can view it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crockettt Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 (edited) Night drug deal from No Exit https://we.tl/xhSeN2Tb5G Boat chase from One-Eyed Jack https://we.tl/GJ7zIbrzbX night chase from The Hit List https://we.tl/6H0k6y4jcx Gina on the boat from The Pilot https://we.tl/z08gvmngSU Teaser from Heart Of Darkness https://we.tl/MyuWOr7eFA Teaser from Prodigal Son Teaser from The Dutch Oven Stiltsville scene from Out Where the Buses Don't Run upload on pCloud: http://pc.cd/wshotalK Edited March 18, 2017 by Crockettt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivoryjones Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) Here are some pictures, for comparison. I've captured images from the clips Crockettt uploaded (from Fabulous Films) and matched them with equivalent points from my own set (Mill Creek). I'll put Mill Creek first and Fabulous Films after it in every case. Pilot (Brother's Keeper) Heart of Darkness Hit List (Calderone's Return) One Eyed Jack No Exit The Prodigal Son Out Where the Buses Don't Run The Dutch Oven Edited March 20, 2017 by ivoryjones 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodie Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 On 18/03/2017 at 7:31 AM, Crockettt said: Night drug deal from No Exit https://we.tl/xhSeN2Tb5G Boat chase from One-Eyed Jack https://we.tl/GJ7zIbrzbX night chase from The Hit List https://we.tl/6H0k6y4jcx Gina on the boat from The Pilot https://we.tl/z08gvmngSU Teaser from Heart Of Darkness https://we.tl/MyuWOr7eFA Teaser from Prodigal Son Teaser from The Dutch Oven Stiltsville scene from Out Where the Buses Don't Run upload on pCloud: http://pc.cd/wshotalK Just for clarity: these are from the UK set from Fabulous right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crockettt Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 Yes these clips are from Fabulous Films. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodie Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 Ok, well what strikes me from the captures ivoryjones posted above is that Fabulous appear to have incorrectly set the flag for the output range on theirs. It's the same thing that affected the recent Blu-ray release of The X-Files Season 8, which Fox offered replacements for. It's basically that everything is too dark. Now it can be corrected, if you playback using software that can do it (MPC-HC is free and does it), you can change the output range to what should be incorrect and voila, you get the same levels as on the Mill Creek. It's things like this which are the reason I and others were so reluctant to trust Fabulous films with a purchase, they've got previous on this, as they did the same with The Incredible Hulk series on Blu-ray, you can see the same on captures for that release from them here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators James Posted March 20, 2017 Administrators Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 The problem is (and I pointed this out in my original review) that they added contrast to remove the "washed" effect you get from old faded film so it's more like it was when it was new and originally aired, however they just added a tad too much of it which removes some of the colour range in dark areas and just makes it more black. Mill Creek seems to be untouched from what Universal sent to them. With Fabulous Films, I feel like the edits they done works on some levels. Like the hues seem more correct to me, grass is actually green in theirs where it looks like dried grass in the Mill Creek (everything is golden and faded on Mill Creek's which is presumably the untouched original source). The only flaw, as I said before - Is that they added a bit too much contrast into the mix which is unfortunate. Kind of undid the good work they put into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodie Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 See the link I posted to the same with Hulk, it's a simple mistake by Fabulous, not an artistic decision. Ditto X-Files Season 8, it's setting it to PC levels rather than TV that does it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crockettt Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 (edited) 45 minutes ago, bodie said: if you playback using software that can do it (MPC-HC is free and does it), you can change the output range to what should be incorrect and voila, you get the same levels as on the Mill Creek. Could you write me how to do it in MPC-HC ? Edited March 20, 2017 by Crockettt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodie Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 Sure, right click the image and select; Renderer Settings > Output Range > and change it from the correct 0 - 255 to an incorrect 16 - 235 that will undo the mistake they have made and make it look like the Mill Creek, just remember to change it back to 0 - 255 when you finish or everything else you watch will be wrong 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivoryjones Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 I'll upload the images again, with some differences: all of them now come from the same software, MPC-HC, and all of them now are .png (it might take a while to load). In my opinion, with both sets under same capture conditions, differences might be smaller, but they're still huge. Pilot (Brother's Keeper) Heart of Darkness Hit List (Calderone's Return) One Eyed Jack No Exit The Prodigal Son Out Where The Buses Don't Run The Dutch Oven 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodie Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) I mentioned this a while back, but it's much better to have a demonstration. First is the Blu-ray 5.1 mix, where you will hear the doubling of the sound. Next plays the same master on the Mill Creek DVD (NOT Blu-ray, DVD), it's the 5.1 mix and it does not have the sound problem. Thus, as I said before, these errors were most likely introduced in encoding these masters for lossless audio; Edited March 21, 2017 by bodie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codemaster94 Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 11 hours ago, bodie said: I mentioned this a while back, but it's much better to have a demonstration. First is the Blu-ray 5.1 mix, where you will hear the doubling of the sound. Next plays the same master on the Mill Creek DVD (NOT Blu-ray, DVD), it's the 5.1 mix and it does not have the sound problem. Thus, as I said before, these errors were most likely introduced in encoding these masters for lossless audio; Well that's pretty interesting. What program did you use to view them simultaneously? And is it just me or doe the DVD present more of the image (1:66:1 vs 4:3 maybe?) than the BR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodie Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 Ah, it's just a sound comparison with two versions next to each other on my desktop and my phone recording it... nothing fancy What you're seeing is visually misleading as the Blu-ray is being displayed at a larger size than the DVD - the amount visible in the frame is the same, no cropping difference, just the audio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt5 Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 On 20/03/2017 at 10:59 AM, James said: The problem is (and I pointed this out in my original review) that they added contrast to remove the "washed" effect you get from old faded film so it's more like it was when it was new and originally aired, however they just added a tad too much of it which removes some of the colour range in dark areas and just makes it more black. Mill Creek seems to be untouched from what Universal sent to them. With Fabulous Films, I feel like the edits they done works on some levels. Like the hues seem more correct to me, grass is actually green in theirs where it looks like dried grass in the Mill Creek (everything is golden and faded on Mill Creek's which is presumably the untouched original source). The only flaw, as I said before - Is that they added a bit too much contrast into the mix which is unfortunate. Kind of undid the good work they put into it. So would you say the Fabulous set or Mill Creek is better ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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