Question About Music Ripping

[Sheisenburg]

As I am a pretty much a novice at the whole music ripping and dialogue removal expertise. I have to ask, is there/has there been a tutorial on how to specifically remove dialogue from the music from MV on this site or anywhere else in the internet or some video online? I am aware that there are videos online about removing vocals from songs but I am asking specifically for MV and not in general.

[Dadrian]

@Crockettt or @buford_t may be able/willing to help. 

[Ferrariman]

I seem to remember some members using a karaoke machine to remove dialog but I'm also not an expert so maybe someone else can confirm or deny this?

[Dadrian]

I know that none of you want to hear me use a karaoke machine 

[Sheisenburg]

Well, if there's one thing that my country has an abudance of, that's karaoke machines 

[Tom]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb Ferrariman:

I seem to remember some members using a karaoke machine to remove dialog but I'm also not an expert so maybe someone else can confirm or deny this?

How can a karaoke machine help to remove dialogue? That’s an urban legend I fear.

Given the fact that the initial product to work with is/are 1-2 Audio tracks (2 when stereo) with music, sound and dialogue mixed together by the studio, it is clear that „removing“ dialogue is not possible, that is like clean separation of spaghetti and pasta after mixing them.

„Dialogue removal“ is in fact filtering of those audio frequencies down where dialogue and sound usually resides. There are better specialists for this special topic than me to know the frequencies by heart. The better you can train the algorithm of audio software what patterns to filter, the better is the result. I think the Truman files of some of our forum members (Crockett1984 is one of them as far as I remember) on YouTube are the best result you can possibly achieve with standard audio software as flawless removal is impossible as stated above.

PS TV stations usually get an audio track with music only when the buy a film or series. Otherwise language dubbing with keeping the original music would not work, if one could get these “international score tapes” for MV from a studio !?

Edited June 6, 2022 by Tom

[Ferrariman]

Thanks for that technical explanation Tom. As I said before, I’m no expert on karaoke machines.  I am however Italian and since spaghetti is a form of pasta there would be no reason to mix or unmix it with any other form of pasta.  

[Tom]

vor 52 Minuten schrieb Ferrariman:

Thanks for that technical explanation Tom. As I said before, I’m no expert on karaoke machines.  I am however Italian and since spaghetti is a form of pasta there would be no reason to mix or unmix it with any other form of pasta.  

You got a point with the pasta. I used that example on purpose as you can relate to it 

P.S. some people use the term "pasta" for the sauce only, some for the spaghetti. I referred to the earlier meaning, i.e. separating the sauce from the spaghetti after mixing them. 

Edited June 6, 2022 by Tom

[Ferrariman]

I figured you meant sauce. Just havin’ some fun!  

[Sheisenburg]

I've just started using Audacity and its feature of removing vocals from any song and I must say that I am quite impressed that a free piece of software like Audacity does better than a paid subscription based one from Adobe Audition when it comes to this sort of thing. And did I mention it was free?

Edited June 6, 2022 by Sheisenburg

[Dadrian]

I’ve used Audacity for a lot of stuff for years. Really great for the price! 

[Sheisenburg]

Alright so, since I ripped MV off the bluray discs I owned and onto my PC. I had this odd idea to convert Shadow In The Dark which was in an MP4 file into an MP3 to see if I can remove the audio directly from the file itself instead of the usual thing that I do which is to record the scene via OBS which in turn gave me an MP4 which I would then just change the extension into MP3 and modify from there. So after placing the now MP3 file of Shadow In The Dark into Adobe Audition (since Audacity didn't work out so well), it was of course in 5.1, as opposed to the mono audio that I would always get when I recorded it.

As a test, I copied the track that plays during the scene where Castillo talks to Crockett in the restaurant and to my surprise, the dialogue played quite low already without needing any audio removal done. Upon further discovery, the Central Channel actually had all the dialogue and even when I didn't disable it the music somehow still overpowered the dialogue which somehow did not affect the quality/integrity of the music. However, when I tried to save the music as an MP3 file and listened to it the dialogue was front and center; so turned to OBS and found out that when I recorded it playing on Adobe Audition (as in it has not been saved yet), the dialogue was quiet and the music was front and center. 

Here's the track to hear for yourself. You can still hear the dialogue faintly, but regardless this was a surprising discovery.

Edited June 7, 2022 by Sheisenburg

[Sheisenburg]

Bit of an update, I noticed that despite the fact there's barely any dialogue present, whilst seeing if I can edit the final track that places during the finale of Better Living Through Chemistry, the gunshots do not disappear at all sadly.

[Tom]

vor 4 Stunden schrieb Sheisenburg:

Alright so, since I ripped MV off the bluray discs I owned and onto my PC. I had this odd idea to convert Shadow In The Dark which was in an MP4 file into an MP3 to see if I can remove the audio directly from the file itself instead of the usual thing that I do which is to record the scene via OBS which in turn gave me an MP4 which I would then just change the extension into MP3 and modify from there. So after placing the now MP3 file of Shadow In The Dark into Adobe Audition (since Audacity didn't work out so well), it was of course in 5.1, as opposed to the mono audio that I would always get when I recorded it.

As a test, I copied the track that plays during the scene where Castillo talks to Crockett in the restaurant and to my surprise, the dialogue played quite low already without needing any audio removal done. Upon further discovery, the Central Channel actually had all the dialogue and even when I didn't disable it the music somehow still overpowered the dialogue which somehow did not affect the quality/integrity of the music. However, when I tried to save the music as an MP3 file and listened to it the dialogue was front and center; so turned to OBS and found out that when I recorded it playing on Adobe Audition (as in it has not been saved yet), the dialogue was quiet and the music was front and center. 

Here's the track to hear for yourself. You can still hear the dialogue faintly, but regardless this was a surprising discovery.

 

You are correct, thanks for reminding me of that aspect. The Dolby 5.1. audio tracks - rendered by studios based on the original material, 2 channel stereo in case of MV - usually focus the dialogue on the center speaker only, thus serving as a kind of natural dialogue reducer and bundling music on the main speaker tracks (sound like explosions, etc are focused on the bass speaker). Starting dialogue removal work with a 5.1. track of a DVD or BluRay instead of a normal Stereo audio channel is therefore worth "half the rent" and you can work on the residual (damp) dialogue with Audacity equalizer or similar. 

 

[Robbie C.]

I have no idea if this would work at all, but have you thought about trying stuff like djayPro? I know Techno people have a big interest in stripping vocals from tracks they want to sample, and some of their stuff might be more effective. I don't mess with ripping much at all, so apologies if this is a dead end.

[Sheisenburg]

@Crockettt personally dmed me and gave me a guide on music ripping, and whilst I tried using tsMuxeR to get the DTS audio track of the episode which was one of the steps required, I ran into this problem. I managed to get DTS out of Better Living Through Chemistry, but somehow when I tried to do another one, it didn't work out so well.

Edited June 7, 2022 by Sheisenburg

[Sheisenburg]

I'm unsure why this is the case.

[Mr. Calderon]

Since there aré few músic Gods here, let me take a Ride asking. Where can we buy digital multitracks songs? Thank you.