OBAMACARE

[agent 47]

Democrat Films PresentsCaddyshack III: Change We Can Believe In!The Critics Say:"This is the greatest film in the history of films!!!" - Leonard Maltin"I agree with him!" - New York Times."This film sends thrills up my legs!" - Chris Matthews.Note: Any criticism of this film is automatically considered racist.

[Frey]

Democrat Films PresentsCaddyshack III: Change We Can Believe In!The Critics Say:"This is the greatest film in the history of films!!!" - Leonard Maltin"I agree with him!" - New York Times."This film sends thrills up my legs!" - Chris Matthews.Note: Any criticism of this film is automatically considered racist.

Agent 47 FTW!

[COOPER&BURNETT]

Don't say I didn't warn you.I found this as the TOP news story on YAHOO NEWS while I was on there tonight.....like this is a suprise... REPORT: HEALTH OVERHAUL WILL INCREASE NATION'S TABBy RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR, Associated Press Writer Ricardo Alonso-zaldivar, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 33 mins agoWASHINGTON – President Barack Obama's health care overhaul law will increase the nation's health care tab instead of bringing costs down, government economic forecasters concluded Thursday in a sobering assessment of the sweeping legislation.A report by economic experts at the Health and Human Services Department said the health care remake will achieve Obama's aim of expanding health insurance — adding 34 million Americans to the coverage rolls.But the analysis also found that the law falls short of the president's twin goal of controlling runaway costs, raising projected spending by about 1 percent over 10 years. That increase could get bigger, however, since the report also warned that Medicare cuts in the law may be unrealistic and unsustainable, forcing lawmakers to roll them back.The mixed verdict for Obama's signature issue is the first comprehensive look by neutral experts.In particular, the warnings about Medicare could become a major political liability for Democratic lawmakers in the midterm elections. The report projected that Medicare cuts could drive about 15 percent of hospitals and other institutional providers into the red, "possibly jeopardizing access" to care for seniors.The report from Medicare's Office of the Actuary carried a disclaimer saying it does not represent the official position of the Obama administration. White House officials have repeatedly complained that such analyses have been too pessimistic and lowball the law's potential to achieve savings.The report acknowledged that some of the cost-control measures in the bill — Medicare cuts, a tax on high-cost insurance and a commission to seek ongoing Medicare savings — could help reduce the rate of cost increases beyond 2020. But it held out little hope for progress in the first decade."During 2010-2019, however, these effects would be outweighed by the increased costs associated with the expansions of health insurance coverage," wrote Richard S. Foster, Medicare's chief actuary. "Also, the longer-term viability of the Medicare ... reductions is doubtful." Foster's office is responsible for long-range costs estimates.Republicans said the findings validate their concerns about Obama's 10-year, nearly $1 trillion plan to remake the nation's health care system."A trillion dollars gets spent, and it's no surprise — health care costs are going to go up," said Rep. Dave Camp, R-Mich., a leading Republican on health care issues. Camp added that he's concerned the Medicare cuts will undermine care for seniors.Congress in the past has enacted deeper Medicare cuts without disrupting service, and HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius issued a statement that sought to highlight some positive findings for seniors. For example, the report concluded that Medicare monthly premiums would be lower than otherwise expected, due to the spending reductions."The Affordable Care Act will improve the health care system for all Americans and we will continue our work to quickly and carefully implement the new law," the statement said.Passed by a divided Congress after a year of bitter partisan debate, the law would create new health insurance markets for individuals and small businesses. Starting in 2014, most Americans would be required to carry health insurance except in cases of financial hardship. Tax credits would help many middle-class households pay their premiums, while Medicaid would pick up more low-income people. Insurers would be required to accept all applicants, regardless of their health.A separate Congressional Budget Office analysis, also released Thursday, estimated that 4 million households would be hit with tax penalties under the law for failing to get insurance.The U.S. spends $2.5 trillion a year on health care, far more per person than any other developed nation, and for results that aren't clearly better when compared to more frugal countries. At the outset of the health care debate last year, Obama held out the hope that by bending the cost curve down, the U.S. could cover all its citizens for about what the nation would spend absent any reforms. The report found that the president's law missed the mark, although not by much. The overhaul will increase national health care spending by $311 billion from 2010-2019, or nine-tenths of 1 percent. To put that in perspective, total health care spending during the decade is estimated to surpass $35 trillion.Administration officials argue the increase is a bargain price for guaranteeing coverage to 95 percent of Americans. They also point out that the law will decrease the federal deficit by $143 billion over the 10-year period, even if overall health care spending rises.The report's most sober assessments concerned Medicare.In addition to flagging the cuts to hospitals, nursing homes and other providers as potentially unsustainable, it projected that reductions in payments to private Medicare Advantage plans would trigger an exodus from the popular program. Enrollment would plummet by about 50 percent, as the plans reduce extra benefits that they currently offer. Seniors leaving the private plans would still have health insurance under traditional Medicare, but many might face higher out-of-pocket costs. In another flashing yellow light, the report warned that a new voluntary long-term care insurance program created under the law faces "a very serious risk" of insolvency.

[agent 47]

I think this article proves common sense is dead, how can adding 34 million new Americans to healthcare NOT raise the deficit and health care costs? The argument is that emergency rooms are filled with flocks of uninsured Americans and it's costing taxpayer money, so their solution is to just SPEND almost a trillion insuring everyone, the big solution is: To SAVE money by SPENDING money.The health care bill is supposed to run costs into the trillion area, but how much money did those unisured people in the emergency rooms cost? I bet it was no trillion.

[maynard]

Sounds like fuzzy math...

[agent 47]

Sounds like fuzzy math...

I think the Obama administration needs to learn some basic math first.(Love your attached image, BTW.)

[Richie Rich]

It's OK, but this is my fav "Miss Me Yet" sign:Yes we do, Gipper.Yes we do :cry: .

[COOPER&BURNETT]

http://maggiesfarm.anotherdotcom.com/uploads/Reagan-Miss-Me-Yet-225x300.jpgYes we do, Gipper.Yes we do :cry: .

:clap:

[maynard]

:clap:

Ditto!!!

[COOPER&BURNETT]

Do you like my new shirt?

[Gary1911A1]

http://maggiesfarm.anotherdotcom.com/uploads/Reagan-Miss-Me-Yet-225x300.jpgYes we do, Gipper.Yes we do :cry: .

I do too. I about threw up in my mouth when the Obama tried to compare himself to being like President Reagan.

[Richie Rich]

The '80s were great in many ways. To have MV to entertain us, and RR to lead our nation were just examples, and we were so fortunate to have both.

[Tony D.]

The worst President, whom many people believe is G.W. Bush, never apologized for the actions of the United States.Apologize for liberating Europe from Hitler & defending every nation that gets bullied around the world and sending aid to hurricane & earthquake victims...............No Way, Pal!

[COOPER&BURNETT]

The worst President' date=' whom many people believe is G.W. Bush, never apologized for the actions of the United States.Apologize for liberating Europe from Hitler & defending every nation that gets bullied around the world and sending aid to hurricane & earthquake victims...............No Way, Pal! [/quote']Yeah,...I've never seen anything like it before. Apologizing?? We liberate contires!

[maynard]

The '80s were great in many ways. To have MV to entertain us' date=' and RR to lead our nation were just examples, and we were so fortunate to have both.[/quote']I sure miss the 80's!!!

[Richie Rich]

I sure miss the 80's!!!

So true.I cried when I viewed Ronald Reagan being buried. I wasn't sure why I did this until now. I now know why. We will never be as fortunate to have a President that great again. Ever.

[COOPER&BURNETT]

Dutch was the best President in my life. Made me proud to be an American.

[DJWannaB]

What's next Mr. President? .....Amnesty' date=' right?[/quote']Its just about in full swing now.

[jcm8002204]

I guess we knew it all along....

Well' date=' regardless of the polling data, the bill was passed...the methods used were parliamentary and the resulting ramifications to the economy will be felt, unemployment will, at best remain unchanged...however watch for 'employment numbers' to improve as the Census will show a 700k add over the next several months....seriously...anything to boost the numbers up.It should be telling that even with a majority in both houses, the bill took over a year to pass, and even then, the backroom deals are no longer under the veil of winks and favors.This may torque off some members, but here goes: The USA has freed most of Western Europe not once, but twice….twice…WWI & WWII…and given all the land back..…excepting for the tiny parcels we requested to bury the US Soldiers that died there, freeing those countries…. We spearheaded the rebuilding of the countries that were vanquished in the process. Yes, wars are brutal, things are broken, people die…some innocent, more not. Freedom isn’t free. That’s the difference between the USA and every other country.This is the 1st time in our short history that a citizen will be forced to purchase a service or product by its government…it goes completely against the simple freedoms in the founding documents.You are free to work in the industry of your choosing….free to fail as well…. There are so many opportunities here in the USA.The USA’s opportunities and ingenuity has been a benefit to the world over, especially related to health, and healthcare: medicines, medical devices, and surgical techniques, crop production, genetics, diagnostics, prevention, and list goes on and on and on…..and just think that we’re not even 250 years into this freedom experiment….This bill, as written, WILL STIFLE the R&D (Research & Development) of these and more….It will drive up costs and limit services. More jobs will be off-shored due to costs and the absence of logical malpractice liabilities anywhere in the bill.An important note to you…if you’ve made it this far:This bill also exempts the President and Congress from the ‘healthcare exchanges’ that they are forcing on everyone else…….think about that….THEY’VE EXEMPTED THEMSELVES in order to allow them to go outside the system they’ve put in to law, and continue with their status quo.This Fall, I am confident that the political choices will be different, and there will be more of a balance of power swept in….Peace Out.[/quote']HMMMM....now the updated numbers say COSTS WILL RISE....Buffoons....all of them....now THIS IS TRULY SCARY...and if that isn't telling enough..just watch AG Holder in this vid:

[COOPER&BURNETT]

2011 W-2 Tax Forms and Obamacare If this doesn't get to you, then check your pulse. You may be a flatline... Should you want to verify this, go to http://www.thomas.gov/, enter "HR 3590" In the search box and look for "CRS Summaries." This is what you'll find. Title IX Revenue Provisions—Subtitle A: Revenue Offset "(Sec. 9002) Requires employers to include in the W-2 form of each employee The aggregate cost of applicable employer-sponsored group health coverage That is excludable from the employee's gross income (excluding the value of Contributions to flexible spending arrangements)." Starting in 2011—next year—the W-2 tax form sent by your employer will be Increased to show the value of whatever health insurance you are provided. It doesn't matter if you're retired. Your gross income WILL go up by the amount Of insurance your employer paid for. So you’ll be required to pay taxes on a larger Sum of money that you actually received. Take the tax form you just finished for 2009 and see what $15,000.00 or $20,000.00 additional gross income does to Your tax debt. That's what you'll pay next year. For many it puts you into a Much higher bracket. This is how the government is going to buy insurance for Fifteen (15) percent that don't have insurance and it's only part of the tax increases, But it's not really a "tax increase" as such, it a redefinition of your taxable income. Also, go to Kiplinger's and read about the thirteen (13) tax changes for 2010 that Could affect you. People have the right to know the truth because An election is coming in November. So vote intelligently, based on your values. Also adjust your tax withholding, or increase your savings, so that you aren't Surprised and put in a jam when your federal income taxes are due on April 15, 2012.

[timm525]

http://www.thomas.gov/, enter "HR 3590" In the search box and look for "CRS Summaries." This is what you'll find. Title IX Revenue Provisions—Subtitle A: Revenue Offset "(Sec. 9002) Requires employers to include in the W-2 form of each employee The aggregate cost of applicable employer-sponsored group health coverage That is excludable from the employee's gross income (excluding the value of Contributions to flexible spending arrangements)." Starting in 2011—next year—the W-2 tax form sent by your employer will be Increased to show the value of whatever health insurance you are provided. It doesn't matter if you're retired. Your gross income WILL go up by the amount Of insurance your employer paid for. So you’ll be required to pay taxes on a larger Sum of money that you actually received. Take the tax form you just finished for 2009 and see what $15,000.00 or $20,000.00 additional gross income does to Your tax debt. That's what you'll pay next year. For many it puts you into a Much higher bracket. This is how the government is going to buy insurance for Fifteen (15) percent that don't have insurance and it's only part of the tax increases, But it's not really a "tax increase" as such, it a redefinition of your taxable income. Also, go to Kiplinger's and read about the thirteen (13) tax changes for 2010 that Could affect you. People have the right to know the truth because An election is coming in November. So vote intelligently, based on your values. Also adjust your tax withholding, or increase your savings, so that you aren't Surprised and put in a jam when your federal income taxes are due on April 15, 2012.

Well, that's nice to know. Instead of most people getting money back at the end of the year, which a lot of folks rely on and need, not to mention use that money to buy stuff which in turn stimulates the economy, they will now most likely end up owing money that they may not have realized or budgeted for.That should help with economy next year.Nice.

[COOPER&BURNETT]

Well' date=' that's nice to know. Instead of most people getting money back at the end of the year, which a lot of folks rely on and need, not to mention use that money to buy stuff which in turn stimulates the economy, they will now most likely end up owing money that they may not have realized or budgeted for.That should help with economy next year.Nice. [/quote']Scary....isn't it Tim? :eek:

[Frey]

Well' date=' that's nice to know. Instead of most people getting money back at the end of the year, which a lot of folks rely on and need, not to mention use that money to buy stuff which in turn stimulates the economy, they will now most likely end up owing money that they may not have realized or budgeted for.That should help with economy next year.Nice. [/quote'] And as an added bonus, the Bush tax cuts expire at the end of this year. That should REALLY help the economy.

[agent 47]

http://www.thomas.gov/, enter "HR 3590" In the search box and look for "CRS Summaries." This is what you'll find. Title IX Revenue Provisions—Subtitle A: Revenue Offset "(Sec. 9002) Requires employers to include in the W-2 form of each employee The aggregate cost of applicable employer-sponsored group health coverage That is excludable from the employee's gross income (excluding the value of Contributions to flexible spending arrangements)." Starting in 2011—next year—the W-2 tax form sent by your employer will be Increased to show the value of whatever health insurance you are provided. It doesn't matter if you're retired. Your gross income WILL go up by the amount Of insurance your employer paid for. So you’ll be required to pay taxes on a larger Sum of money that you actually received. Take the tax form you just finished for 2009 and see what $15,000.00 or $20,000.00 additional gross income does to Your tax debt. That's what you'll pay next year. For many it puts you into a Much higher bracket. This is how the government is going to buy insurance for Fifteen (15) percent that don't have insurance and it's only part of the tax increases, But it's not really a "tax increase" as such, it a redefinition of your taxable income. Also, go to Kiplinger's and read about the thirteen (13) tax changes for 2010 that Could affect you. People have the right to know the truth because An election is coming in November. So vote intelligently, based on your values. Also adjust your tax withholding, or increase your savings, so that you aren't Surprised and put in a jam when your federal income taxes are due on April 15, 2012.

Going from Grease to Greece in one presidency.

[Chloe]

In defence of a National Health Care sysyem. We have just had the most fantastic care for 14 weeks in NICU for our daughter. She was in the best unit on the south coast of England with the best neonatologists. We are having ongoing care at home whilst jemima grows as well as oxygen being installed, cylinders & all the equipment. We also get free special 'top up' formula milk to help her gain weight & visits from the Peadiatric nurse team & health visitor.All this is FREE at point of contact (ok so we pay a small amount through ourtaxes) our daughters care thus far will have cost several hundred thousands of £££'s along with all the other babies in the NICU.The NHS is FANTASTIC!!!