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Episode #20 "Nobody Lives Forever"

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viceystyle    68
viceystyle

I watched this episode last night, so it's still fresh in my mind. So here's what I gleaned from it. Yes, Tubbs was definitely jealous, but not because he had any interest in Brenda. He was jealous because he felt she was taking his partner and friend away from him, as he was spending a lot of time with her, and not enough time with the people he worked with anymore, and Tubbs felt that they had a responsibility as fellow police partners to be there for each other. That brings up the second point, and the main point of the episode. The point is that being a vice cop is no ordinary, regular job, and there is no separation between the job and a personal life. That's why Crockett's marriage to Caroline didn't work out. It's nothing like most people's jobs, where you work 9-5 or whatever particular hours, then you go home. It's not like you can just take your weekends and holidays and relax and forget about work. It's a unique type of job, where it is your life, and thus the people you work with, your fellow cops in the department become the closest people to you, and they come first, and everything and everyone else takes a back seat to that. Relationships outside of that suffer because the only people you can really have real commitment for are those you work with. That's why Brenda asks Sonny if having a partner is like a marriage, as that person is who spend the most time with and develop the closest bond to. Brenda wanted to be foremost in Sonny's life, but due to his lifestyle and who he was, that just wasn't possible as it would have been she were another man who wasn't a vice cop.

 

It wasn't Brenda's fault. She did nothing wrong. Neither was it Sonny's fault for being with her and wanting to spend so much time with her. That's what people do when they're in love. But what makes it different and what makes it difficult for Sonny is his job, because he's a vice cop. As a vice cop, the job is his life, and he wanted to forget that it was. When he stays over at Brenda's house, and then Tubbs gets beaten up, Sonny feels bad that he wasn't there to protect him. And Tubbs is understandably frustrated and upset about it. Gina is understandably upset that Sonny neglects her and goes off with this new woman. Castillo is understandably upset that Crockett is slipping up on the job because his mind is outside of it. So that's really the main idea of the episode right there. The episode itself was very lacking in its plot. The punks were too over-the-top insane and the storyline wasn't very good. But I think that's just because the plot wasn't the point. The point is to show the nature of a vice cop's job and how it is far more than just a job, or profession, it's really an entire lifestyle, unlike most people's jobs which are distinct and separate from their personal lives and relationships. As a vice cop, the closest relationship Sonny had was with Tubbs and then the other people in his department. Also as a vice cop, it was his entire life, and trying to separate it just didn't work, and Brenda understood that at the end, and so did Crockett. They had tried to ignore that, and that's what caused the problems for Sonny and the people who depended on him. 

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Matt5    1,919
Matt5

The editing and direction in this episode from Jim Johnstone was fantastic - movie like almost Mtv like in places. Fading to white instead of black during the episode really made this episode stand out. A great episode 10-10

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airtommy    806
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Cory Barker of the website This Was Television reviews "Nobody Lives Forever":

 

There’s a long sequence in the episode’s second half where Crockett takes the boat (yay!) out on the water (but drives it slow, so boo!)

 

:D

 

Read the full review:

 

http://thiswastv.com/2012/11/07/review-miami-vice-the-home-invaders-and-nobody-lives-forever/

 

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vicegirl85    387
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I have always liked this episode for the way it developed the partner relationship between Sonny and Rico.  Papa Legba, I agree about Rico's comment--that was some great dialog :)

 

(snipped)Did anyone else think it was a bit weird that Crockett and Brenda were actively dating, yet he admits to occasionally sleeping with Gina? If I had been in that position and said that I think that would have pretty much killed the relationship right there and then. But then again sadly I don't look like Don Johnson so maybe Brenda was willing to put up with more!One of my favourite dialogues from Vice...Crockett: So the lady's warmed up my social life, so what?Tubbs: Warmed it up?.... man that chick's set that sucker on FI-YA!I(snipped)

Notice the scene in the strategy room after Tubbs gets beaten up. Great scene from the point of view of DJ and PMT's acting. You could just feel the uncomfortable feelings between them from their body language. Crockett is keeping a low profile at the back of the room, turned away from Tubbs and sat in silence, while Tubbs is clearly still angry with Crockett, and is directing that anger towards the rest of the team.(snipped)

(snipped) The following dialog defines the whole situation:Sonny: Okay. It's your turn. The ugliest guy you ever dated.Brenda: Never dated ugly guys. I didn't.Sonny: You don't play fair.Brenda: I never said I did.Sonny: Good. I like that. Keeps things interesting. At this point I always remember Caroline's line from "brother's keepers"... You're all players, Sonny. You get high on the action. This quote and also the dialog between Sonny and Brenda is the key why Sonny's private life is a mess and always will be. He's somebody who'll get bored as soon as every day life takes place, and he likes playing with risks. (snipped)

You're so right, Ell.a.  I like a lot of things about Sonny's character, but agree he would have trouble maintaining a relationship.  He always had trouble dividing his attention between his job and any romantic relationship.  True that the working undercover would be all-consuming; it's not a normal job.  He always gave the impression he deeply regretted the end of his marriage to Caroline, but he wouldn't or couldn't give up the job that took him away from not only her but their child.  To me that was kind of selfish in his character.

 

Several people have mentioned Gina and what happens to her in this episode.  Through the first season, Sonny first pursued her for several episodes; then we saw them out together and having a good time; she is shown to stay overnight with him on the boat more than once.  She's beautiful, sweet, very passionate and dedicated to the same work that he is, so they should be able to give and take with the strains of the job (one would think).  What we didn't see was how Sonny and Brenda met and began dating, what they had in common, and how long they have been involved.  This made it more difficult for me as a viewer to accept that his relationship with Brenda was serious or even real.  So it was really hard to understand why he abandoned Gina for Brenda.  I didn't really get the impression he was occasionally sleeping with Gina after he and Brenda got together, though (and I could have missed something!)  But I did feel like Gina denied to herself that he had moved on.  She tested him by trying to get him to go to dinner because she had to know, and yes, it was embarrassing because it seemed like she forgot her pride.  But I did like how she told him off.  To me, Sonny and Gina were well-suited and I always wanted them to get back together.  It's too bad the controlling powers for the show never did make that happen.  There were numerous instances throughout the show's run that showed they still cared a lot for each other.   

 

edited to add:  OK, I re-watched the scene where Sonny and Brenda are on the boat at night and she asks him about Gina.  He tells her Gina's a good friend and they are "there for each other."  She pushes, asking if that includes being there sexually for each other. He hesitates for a moment and you can see the conflicting emotions in his face--does he admit this or not (especially since Gina has just told him off)?  But he decides on honesty and says, "Sometimes."  After that he's kind of holding his breath to see how Brenda will react to this. That does make it seem as if he has still been sleeping with Gina since he's been dating Brenda (although maybe Gina didn't know he was seeing someone besides her).  Surprisingly, Brenda doesn't get mad.

 

I agree that most of the women Sonny dated were not attractive to my eye but if they'd only seemed to have any common interests, I would have applauded the casting people for using more ordinary-looking actresses as a twist from the usual.  I honestly felt that except for Gina and to a lesser extent Caitlin, the women he dated had nothing in common with him except sexual compatibility.  Caitlin's common factor was a thirst for justice--but it was fairly personal, related to her own friend, not humanity as a whole (as far as we were shown).  I don't know that in the long term they could have kept the fire going.

 

The young punks were entertaining because they were so OTT, but they were scary in the way they didn't hesitate to spray the area with automatic gunfire at the slightest provocation.  I think in reality they would have been arrested and stopped long before it happened on the show.    

 

Obviously the Brenda storyline was more meaningful to me, but I felt the relationship was rushed and not believable. 

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Matt5    1,919
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Such a stylized episode . Great direction and locations . 10/10:D:D

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Remington    127
Remington

Honestly i consider this and The Maze the weakest of the season.

Its got its moments. I love Tubbs in this one. And the Castillo staredown gave me shivers lol.

I was jus annoyedby the punks. Maybe they remind of old classmates.

However I agree with Matt5. It does look very good.

And i love LWP.

5/10

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