Robbie C. Posted March 18, 2021 Report Share Posted March 18, 2021 He's going to know where the target is, and if he's made that shot enough with the same pistol and ammo he'll know the drop at that distance, recoil management...the whole thing. He wouldn't be able to see the balloon, but he'd be able to see the white target background (at least in some way), and that's a good part of it. The guy's a phenomenal shot, no question. And a big part of that is thousands of rounds and thousands of hours on the range. TV rarely shows how important the training is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie1996 Posted March 18, 2021 Report Share Posted March 18, 2021 11 minutes ago, Robbie C. said: He's going to know where the target is, and if he's made that shot enough with the same pistol and ammo he'll know the drop at that distance, recoil management...the whole thing. He wouldn't be able to see the balloon, but he'd be able to see the white target background (at least in some way), and that's a good part of it. The guy's a phenomenal shot, no question. And a big part of that is thousands of rounds and thousands of hours on the range. TV rarely shows how important the training is. I can tell you know your stuff, Robbie! Quite true about the practice and the training too. I think many think you just pick up a gun and point it, practice being unnecessary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff_Cooper Posted March 18, 2021 Report Share Posted March 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Robbie C. said: He's going to know where the target is, and if he's made that shot enough with the same pistol and ammo he'll know the drop at that distance, recoil management...the whole thing. He wouldn't be able to see the balloon, but he'd be able to see the white target background (at least in some way), and that's a good part of it. The guy's a phenomenal shot, no question. And a big part of that is thousands of rounds and thousands of hours on the range. TV rarely shows how important the training is. This. Miculek is revolver God, and not too shabby with other types either On general hand gun distances, they can have longer reach than one thinks. I used to have mental barrier of say 30 meters. If target was further away in ipsc competition, I totally crumbled. Untill I made it a habbit to occasionally shoot standard targets at 50 and 100 meters. Getting, say 3 of 5 onto the target at 100 meters without spending ages aiming cleared my mental barrier. With factory .40 S&W from 1911 platform some 'Kentucky windage' is needed but as said, helped me greatly. Obviously, in real life situations, a long gun is far superior after any real distance enters play. -J 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViceFanMan Posted April 9, 2021 Report Share Posted April 9, 2021 Love this episode...and a perfect season finale! I think this was worthy of a 2hr storyline, but I’m happy with what’s there. We truly, finally get to know Albert ‘Al’ Lombard...as before he was only mentioned several times, and seen for just a little bit in "One Eyed Jack." Dennis Farina was a superb actor and he played Albert Lombard perfectly! Even though Lombard is a crime boss (and even though he did not order it or like that it happened), and was somewhat involved in the murder of Crockett's friend Barbara Carrow--you end up really liking the guy! You realize he's not all bad and actually has a heart, and cares for his family. He also tried as best he could to let Crockett know he did not like or condone the murder of Barbara Carrow. Unlike Calderone, or later on Frank Mosca, Lombard you actually end up caring about & even in some ways relating to. You don’t really want him to die. Anyway, this episode had a superb plot, performances by all, awesome action, gun battles, MV colors, captivating & “haunting” background music (I assume by Jan Hammer?), and the ending was MV-dramatic...and I like it that you were supposed to think that Lombard was probably dead as new hit-men followed him from the courthouse. But, as we all know Lombard shows up later. I originally gave this one an 8...I’d definitely bump it up to a 9 if I could! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDragon86 Posted April 9, 2021 Report Share Posted April 9, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, ViceFanMan said: Love this episode...and a perfect season finale! I think this was worthy of a 2hr storyline, but I’m happy with what’s there. We truly, finally get to know Albert ‘Al’ Lombard...as before he was only mentioned several times, and seen for just a little bit in "One Eyed Jack." Dennis Farina was a superb actor and he played Albert Lombard perfectly! Even though Lombard is a crime boss (and even though he did not order it or like that it happened), and was somewhat involved in the murder of Crockett's friend Barbara Carrow--you end up really liking the guy! You realize he's not all bad and actually has a heart, and cares for his family. He also tried as best he could to let Crockett know he did not like or condone the murder of Barbara Carrow. Unlike Calderone, or later on Frank Mosca, Lombard you actually end up caring about & even in some ways relating to. You don’t really want him to die. Anyway, this episode had a superb plot, performances by all, awesome action, gun battles, MV colors, captivating & “haunting” background music (I assume by Jan Hammer?), and the ending was MV-dramatic...and I like it that you were supposed to think that Lombard was probably dead as new hit-men followed him from the courthouse. But, as we all know Lombard shows up later. I originally gave this one an 8...I’d definitely bump it up to a 9 if I could! I give it a 10 and along with "Evan" its in contention for being the best episode in season 1. Did you notice one of the 2 hit-men in the car at the end was Rita's hitman in "No Exit" when Sonny says "Beat it" Edited April 9, 2021 by RedDragon86 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViceFanMan Posted April 9, 2021 Report Share Posted April 9, 2021 1 hour ago, RedDragon86 said: I give it a 10 and along with "Evan" its in contention for being the best episode in season 1. Did you notice one of the 2 hit-men in the car at the end was Rita's hitman in "No Exit" when Sonny says "Beat it" I actually might give it a 10, too (although I’d stick with my 9 for “Evan”)! Amazing episode, and I’d say “Lombard” & “Smuggler’s Blues” are in the running for best episode of Season 1 (of course “Smuggler’s” is arguably possibly the best episode of the series, too). I did not know or notice that one of Lombard’s hitmen was the one Rita tried to hire in “No Exit”...cool trivia info!! I’ll have to watch that ending scene closer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdiegolo78 Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 Oh man, I love this 'Lombard' episode. To me this is easily in the top 5 first season episodes. Watched it last night after many years. And one of the strongest season endings (after mirror image). You are left wondering after the last scene if Lombard is getting whacked or else (of course until you get to see 'World of trouble' in S5)...that scene is in true MV style. I liked the story portraying a different side of Lombard, realizing there's more to life than organized crime, yachts and cars. And him trying to connect with the son that he'd neglected when building his criminal enterprise. And I very much enjoyed the Lombard scenes with C&T at the safe house. He even made vermicelli pasta for the everyone!....'such a sport' . I cringed a bit when I saw Tubbs cutting the pasta with a knife (You're supposed to twist it with the fork like spaghetti ;-)). And I have to agree with another reviewer on the garlic, fresh garlic is much better ingredient for pasta recipes. Loved the music cue 'no way out' in all its variations throughout the episode. Especially in the intro, when you see C&T pulling at night by the boat with the Daytona headlights off. Nice to see John Santucci again in a different role. And with regards to Lombard as character, he was very well written and superbly portrayed by the late Dennis Farina (an actor that was a central part in the M. Mann universe). Definitely a lot more likeable than Mosca or Librizzi (but that doesn't take much effort to be honest ). On a final note, i'd place this episode in the same league as 'Evan' and 'Smuggler blues'. 9.5/10. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdiegolo78 Posted April 20, 2021 Report Share Posted April 20, 2021 On 5/9/2011 at 3:31 PM, LNGLK said: After rewatching "Lombard" I've got a question: how far do handguns shoot?I mean, how far can a person shoot and not miss the target?http://cs5858.vkontakte.ru/u5874765/124636428/x_e415298b.jpg Sonny had a good vantage point, clear view and target wasn't moving from his position. Using a 10 mm semiautomatic helped as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted May 6, 2021 Report Share Posted May 6, 2021 Today I watched "Lombard." I like the episode, even though it's not one of my favorites. As has already been said, one initially harbors a greater dislike for Al Lombard, but then realizes that the man does have sympathetic sides. I always find it irritating that "Dale Menton" from "Golden Triangle" is suddenly called Charlie here. Has Menton been arrested? I don't know right now, but if not, he could have been left with the name Menton. It was well known that the latter had his fingers in many dirty deals. The ending is successful. You can see the Hitmen waiting for Lombard in front of the courthouse and following him, but you don't know if he was able to escape or not. We who know the series know the answer , but no one knew at the time. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViceFanMan Posted May 6, 2021 Report Share Posted May 6, 2021 17 minutes ago, Christine said: Today I watched "Lombard." I like the episode, even though it's not one of my favorites. As has already been said, one initially harbors a greater dislike for Al Lombard, but then realizes that the man does have sympathetic sides. I always find it irritating that "Dale Menton" from "Golden Triangle" is suddenly called Charlie here. Has Menton been arrested? I don't know right now, but if not, he could have been left with the name Menton. It was well known that the latter had his fingers in many dirty deals. The ending is successful. You can see the Hitmen waiting for Lombard in front of the courthouse and following him, but you don't know if he was able to escape or not. We who know the series know the answer , but no one knew at the time. I love this episode...perfect season finale! As for the character of Dale Menton, yes I believe he was arrested at the end of “Golden Triangle”. So the character would not have been available to now go work for Al Lombard. Plus, the character of Charlie was portrayed as having worked for Lombard for years/decades. Same actor...two different characters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdiegolo78 Posted May 6, 2021 Report Share Posted May 6, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Christine said: Has Menton been arrested? I don't know right now, but if not, he could have been left with the name Menton. It was well known that the latter had his fingers in many dirty deals. One of those recycled actors (John Santucci) in MV and the Micheal Mann universe. In the golden triangle he was an ex CIA spook, in 'Lombard' a mafioso. Two different guys and yes, Menton got busted at the end of the former episode. J.Santucci was a thief in real life and help Mann to make the namesake film in 1981. In that movie he played a cop. Now, that's ironic ...and D.Farina had been a cop for Chicago PD for 20 years. Anyway, other noteworthy examples of reused actors in different roles are Bill Smitrovic (Pilot episode and Prodigal son playing two different DEA guys) and Stanley Tucci. Edited May 6, 2021 by sdiegolo78 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted May 7, 2021 Report Share Posted May 7, 2021 (edited) vor 19 Stunden schrieb ViceFanMan: As for the character of Dale Menton, yes I believe he was arrested at the end of “Golden Triangle”. So the character would not have been available to now go work for Al Lombard. Plus, the character of Charlie was portrayed as having worked for Lombard for years/decades. Same actor...two different characters. I only find it odd that the same actor occured twice in different roles. Edited May 7, 2021 by Christine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViceFanMan Posted May 7, 2021 Report Share Posted May 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Christine said: I only find it odd that the same actor occured twice in different roles. Does someone know if this happend more than once? Oh yeah! Back in the 70s and 80s, and even some in the 90s, a lot of TV shows would use the same guest stars in more than one episode playing different characters. Nowadays you don’t see that as much anymore. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerDurden389 Posted May 8, 2021 Report Share Posted May 8, 2021 Can't remember which episode, but I hate how John Lequizamo shows up in season 5 as a different character. To me, that messes with the general "timeline" of the story the show followed (which granted, after "The Afternoon Plane" in season 3, was finished). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViceFanMan Posted May 8, 2021 Report Share Posted May 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, TylerDurden389 said: Can't remember which episode, but I hate how John Lequizamo shows up in season 5 as a different character. To me, that messes with the general "timeline" of the story the show followed (which granted, after "The Afternoon Plane" in season 3, was finished). Yeah, but that’s how they did it back then. They would have some of the same actors guest-star in different episodes, as different characters. And, if you were an actor trying to get “noticed” or your proverbial foot in the door of the business, back then you wanted to guest-star in immensely popular shows like MV—even more than once if possible. At the time, actors & musicians were having their agents try and get them a guest-spot of some kind on MV! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerDurden389 Posted May 8, 2021 Report Share Posted May 8, 2021 Come to think of it, Leguizamo did get a pretty big part in "Casualties of War" around that time, so the guest appearance might've helped. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie C. Posted May 9, 2021 Report Share Posted May 9, 2021 23 hours ago, ViceFanMan said: Yeah, but that’s how they did it back then. They would have some of the same actors guest-star in different episodes, as different characters. And, if you were an actor trying to get “noticed” or your proverbial foot in the door of the business, back then you wanted to guest-star in immensely popular shows like MV—even more than once if possible. At the time, actors & musicians were having their agents try and get them a guest-spot of some kind on MV! They still do it this way. I've lost track of the number of actors I've seen recycled in different roles in the Law & Order franchise...including three who later rose to main character status (but with different roles). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDragon86 Posted May 9, 2021 Report Share Posted May 9, 2021 On 5/8/2021 at 1:40 AM, TylerDurden389 said: Can't remember which episode, but I hate how John Lequizamo shows up in season 5 as a different character. To me, that messes with the general "timeline" of the story the show followed (which granted, after "The Afternoon Plane" in season 3, was finished). After season 3 the producers were totally irresponsible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Gretsky Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 I'm rather amused at how some people can't wrap their minds about the use of the same actor in different roles. They would probably suffer a hematoma if they attended repertory theater! It's great to have the return of Dennis Farina as Al Lombard. Farina was always good at allowing humor and warmth show beneath his tough guys like Lombard, Mike Torello or Avi Denovitz. We get a more sympathetic portrayal of Lombard than we did in "One-Eyed Jacks" right from the first scene with Al having to first confront his own snotty son and then a no b.s. process server (well-played by Vyto Ruginis). And it's funny seeing "Bowser" of Sha Na Na in this. And John Santucci is back as a sweaty crook playing both sides. It's fascinating to watch the tense scenes between Farina and Santucci knowing that in RL Farina had been a cop who had arrested thief Santucci! What a great scene with Crockett, Tubbs and Lombard eating dinner together in that cabin in that run-down looking motor court. Funny that Tubbs would buy garlic powder instead of fresh garlic! I thought Tubbs was a GQ reader with all its fashion and culinary advice and no-nos! Another great location: The race track where Lombard and his son talk. It's pitch black night, but the stands, the buildings, even the trees shine stark white because of the bright lights. The sheer ambience of places that MV is able to conjure up is always a highlight of the show. A very fine finale to Vice's most consistently good season. It gets increasingly hit or miss from now on. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eillio Martin Imbasciati Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 13 hours ago, Jack Gretsky said: I'm rather amused at how some people can't wrap their minds about the use of the same actor in different roles. They would probably suffer a hematoma if they attended repertory theater! It's great to have the return of Dennis Farina as Al Lombard. Farina was always good at allowing humor and warmth show beneath his tough guys like Lombard, Mike Torello or Avi Denovitz. We get a more sympathetic portrayal of Lombard than we did in "One-Eyed Jacks" right from the first scene with Al having to first confront his own snotty son and then a no b.s. process server (well-played by Vyto Ruginis). And it's funny seeing "Bowser" of Sha Na Na in this. And John Santucci is back as a sweaty crook playing both sides. It's fascinating to watch the tense scenes between Farina and Santucci knowing that in RL Farina had been a cop who had arrested thief Santucci! What a great scene with Crockett, Tubbs and Lombard eating dinner together in that cabin in that run-down looking motor court. Funny that Tubbs would buy garlic powder instead of fresh garlic! I thought Tubbs was a GQ reader with all its fashion and culinary advice and no-nos! Another great location: The race track where Lombard and his son talk. It's pitch black night, but the stands, the buildings, even the trees shine stark white because of the bright lights. The sheer ambience of places that MV is able to conjure up is always a highlight of the show. A very fine finale to Vice's most consistently good season. It gets increasingly hit or miss from now on. I'm fine with the change of actors or performers playing different roles; I love what Ned Eisenberg did in all his Vice appearances, John Santucci, ("Hey, it's the entrepreneur!" He he), and Raymond Forchion (OCB guy, then "Captain Real Estate" 's henchman O'Hara) as well. Yeah, I love the dinner scene (especially Lombard's story of the hot Turkish coffee; see, that's why I stay away from casinos, and just play Blackjack on a MyArcade handheld); I also think it's neat that Lombard said his father wanted him to be a doctor, and down the road Tubbs says to Crockett that maybe he should've been a doctor (I'd trust Dr. Tubbs!). I feel that Lombard was a real engaging fellow (plus he hates cheap guys), and I believe him that he didn't authorize the hit on Barbara Carrow (it seemed to me that Vincent Demarco made some of his own moves when possible). Definitely, Tubbs should've purchased fresh garlic; I do know I was supposed to get a big bag of parmesan cheese for the owner of a pizzeria at The Fresh Market back in April, but all that place had was a small plastic container (for 10 $ too! What a rip, right?), so maybe fresh garlic wasn't in stock (I think he took a shortcut there though in just getting the powder). I love the brush-off that Crockett keeps giving Lombard when Al tries to be friendly to him. I think Lombard was a little miffed, but by 'World of Trouble', Crockett seemed to warm to him somewhat. Also, because of the mention of Barbara Carrow, there's a hint of continuity there, and I like that Vice always tried some of that; what they supplied in that category was always enough for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoombayPunch Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 A great way to finish off the season with an excellent actor really showing his chops. Farina is so good as Lombard and the interplay with Crockett is pitch-perfect. It had been a long time since I saw the episode and I was still genuinely surprised when Lombard throws away the relationship with his son and takes the fifth. Realistically though, he was fully committed to that life and the baggage that it entails. Classic ending as well, leaving you primed for the next season. 9/10 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eillio Martin Imbasciati Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 5 hours ago, GoombayPunch said: A great way to finish off the season with an excellent actor really showing his chops. Farina is so good as Lombard and the interplay with Crockett is pitch-perfect. It had been a long time since I saw the episode and I was still genuinely surprised when Lombard throws away the relationship with his son and takes the fifth. Realistically though, he was fully committed to that life and the baggage that it entails. Classic ending as well, leaving you primed for the next season. 9/10 I read a story about Dennis Farina in which he was recording a voiceover, and the sound engineer was a Vice fan, so after Farina was through, the SE asked Farina if he'd say the line "Shoot him" from this episode: after Farina said the line, he then said, "Like poetry, isn't it?". I think that's cool, and I liked the line myself (Lombard was really taking stock of his organization there, even though he didn't realize yet that Charlie had already turned on him-- I love how rattled Charlie is in that scene, and should be!). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDragon86 Posted March 27, 2022 Report Share Posted March 27, 2022 (edited) No other show has the strongest back end cluster of episodes in its first season. Edited March 27, 2022 by RedDragon86 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadrian Posted March 27, 2022 Report Share Posted March 27, 2022 7 minutes ago, RedDragon86 said: No other show has the strongest back end cluster of episodes in its first season. Absolutely. If this energy could have somehow continued, it would have been SO much better! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Hanna Posted March 27, 2022 Report Share Posted March 27, 2022 14 hours ago, RedDragon86 said: No other show has the strongest back end cluster of episodes in its first season. The first season of the original Star Trek was pretty damn good too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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