RedDragon86 Posted March 25, 2019 Report Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) Watched this for the first time last night and I was really impressed, sort of surprised at how good it was to be honest, I really don't understand why this gets negative reviews. I don't think its as good as Collateral but even so another very good film by Michael. Again the negativity baffles me, I always felt that there was an agenda in Hollywood where Mann is concerned, he is always overlooked, movies like Heat, The Insider and Collateral were Oscar material. Edited March 25, 2019 by RedDragon86 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie C. Posted March 25, 2019 Report Share Posted March 25, 2019 He committed the cardinal sin of being popular on TV. The horror... Actually Hollywood has always had agendas against people and genres for who knows what reasons. That's one reason I don't really pay attention to much they so or do with awards and such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bren10 Posted March 25, 2019 Report Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) Mann's directorial style flies over a lot of people's heads. He is subtle and expects the audience to do some of the work (one of the reasons for the MV2006 hate, I think). He doesn't dictate to the audience how to feel like a Spielberg and he isn't as viscerally and immediately rewarding like a Tarantino or Scorcese and certainly not a Michael Bay. I have Blackhat myself and I like it, but on a critical level there's certain things in it that don't make a lot of sense like the white cop with the 45 not taking cover in the middle of an automatic gunfight with seasoned mercs. Apparently the film went thru massive re-edits to make it palatable for audiences and Mann has screened an alternate cut after the fact that he hasn't released yet. For one thing I know that the initial Chinese reactor attack was to have taken place much later in the film. I also think that politically Mann is thought of as the old school in how he presents characters and relationships (remember the man is in his 70s now) and that doesn't help his standing in Hollywood as far as appreciation. Edited March 25, 2019 by Bren10 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt5 Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 14 hours ago, Bren10 said: Mann's directorial style flies over a lot of people's heads. He is subtle and expects the audience to do some of the work (one of the reasons for the MV2006 hate, I think). He doesn't dictate to the audience how to feel like a Spielberg and he isn't as viscerally and immediately rewarding like a Tarantino or Scorcese and certainly not a Michael Bay. I have Blackhat myself and I like it, but on a critical level there's certain things in it that don't make a lot of sense like the white cop with the 45 not taking cover in the middle of an automatic gunfight with seasoned mercs. Apparently the film went thru massive re-edits to make it palatable for audiences and Mann has screened an alternate cut after the fact that he hasn't released yet. For one thing I know that the initial Chinese reactor attack was to have taken place much later in the film. I also think that politically Mann is thought of as the old school in how he presents characters and relationships (remember the man is in his 70s now) and that doesn't help his standing in Hollywood as far as appreciation. Great post - a saw a lot of “Miami Vice “ (2006) In “Blackhat” i enjoyed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDragon86 Posted March 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 18 hours ago, Bren10 said: Mann's directorial style flies over a lot of people's heads. He is subtle and expects the audience to do some of the work (one of the reasons for the MV2006 hate, I think). He doesn't dictate to the audience how to feel like a Spielberg and he isn't as viscerally and immediately rewarding like a Tarantino or Scorcese and certainly not a Michael Bay. I have Blackhat myself and I like it, but on a critical level there's certain things in it that don't make a lot of sense like the white cop with the 45 not taking cover in the middle of an automatic gunfight with seasoned mercs. Apparently the film went thru massive re-edits to make it palatable for audiences and Mann has screened an alternate cut after the fact that he hasn't released yet. For one thing I know that the initial Chinese reactor attack was to have taken place much later in the film. I also think that politically Mann is thought of as the old school in how he presents characters and relationships (remember the man is in his 70s now) and that doesn't help his standing in Hollywood as far as appreciation. I totally understand this, Mann makes films the way he wants to, just like David Lynch or Cronenberg and not making it Hollywood friendly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bren10 Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 A critic once wrote that Mann makes crime films as if other crime films don't exist. That's one of the things I love about him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt5 Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 On 3/25/2019 at 6:25 PM, RedDragon86 said: Watched this for the first time last night and I was really impressed, sort of surprised at how good it was to be honest, I really don't understand why this gets negative reviews. I don't think its as good as Collateral but even so another very good film by Michael. Again the negativity baffles me, I always felt that there was an agenda in Hollywood where Mann is concerned, he is always overlooked, movies like Heat, The Insider and Collateral were Oscar material. Very good film. Has many elements of the “Miami Vice” 2006 movie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bren10 Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 The Insider was nominated it just didn't win. I remember watching that Oscar show and seeing several crowd shots of Mann in the audience. Part of the problem there was marketing. A lot of people didn't really know what the film was about or what genre it belonged in because it wasn't very well communicated in tv spots and teasers. Mann addressed this with Charlie Rose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bren10 Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 On Blackhat https://charlierose.com/videos/20207 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt5 Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 14 minutes ago, Bren10 said: On Blackhat https://charlierose.com/videos/20207 Thankyou great piece Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCBman Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 One of the first things I noticed was another remake of a Bob Dylan song used. Ali - All Along The Watchtower Blackhat - Knocking On Heaven's Door I've only seen the movie twice, but the main thing I remember is it has absolutely stunning visuals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bren10 Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 Most Mann films do. His cinematography has always been top-notch. Even when it concerns seemingly mundane things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Hanna Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 I kind of wish Mann would move on from the crime dramas. He's not going to top Thief or Heat so it'd be nice to see him tackle material he hasn't done before. (Like he did with Last of the Mohicans). The Enzo Ferrari movie sounds cool and in an interview he said he wanted to do a western!! Sounds amazing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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