Dadrian Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 Although 4 has a couple of nearly unwatchable episodes, the complete absence of Jan Hammer, lots of ridiculous costumes, and tangent storylines that lead to the demise of the show make 5 a little inferior between the two, for me. Although, I think the finale is great! I would watch it more, but I always have to follow it with the pilot to keep from being sad, and I rarely have 3.5 consecutive hours available for watching MV. Heck, I can barely squeeze 2 hours in for working on the MV music I cover! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca Raton Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) I love Jan Hammer. However, I have no problem going with Tim Truman’s more dark score. Jan Hammer’s music could have worked in season 5...but Tim’s seems to fit better IMO. Edited January 21, 2018 by Boca Raton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadrian Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 I agree! S5 would not not work with Jan’s feel. It would have been interesting to see how much of a chameleon he could have been in that direction, though. Think about his amazing score for “Death and the Lady”. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComplimentsofMrCalderone Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 13 hours ago, SwissTubbs said: The Change of the dynamics between Crocket/Tubbs were a bad idea. And i hate that tubbs almost doesnt feel like a main character anymore. ^^^ So much THIS!!! ^^^ And good post entirely. My teenage son is watching Miami Vice for the first time. We just finished Season One... but I put it out there we're pretty much going to avoid Season 4 and 5. (I don't want to turn him off to the whole experience). Now I'll talk about the Season 3 changes when we're completed with 2, but Season 3 will still be required viewing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca Raton Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) Death and the Lady is my fav episode of the entire series- weird the fact that I dislike season 4 (dislike may be a strong word)... as for your son avoiding Season 4&5 I think it’s a mistake. I’m 35 and I think 4&5 can appeal to younger people more...albeit 5 has ridiculous costumes...thank god Nirvana came and made that shit obsolete Edited January 21, 2018 by Boca Raton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComplimentsofMrCalderone Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 13 minutes ago, Boca Raton said: Death and the Lady is my fav episode of the entire series- weird the fact that I dislike season 4 (dislike may be a strong word)... as for your son avoiding Season 4&5 I think it’s a mistake. I’m 35 and I think 4&5 can appeal to younger people more...albeit 5 has ridiculous costumes...thank god Nirvana came and made that shit obsolete Ridiculous costumes? What ridiculous costumes??? I swear that outfit PMT is wearing reminds me of those optical illusion books that if you stare long enough you see 3D images! I might cherry pick an episode here or there, but I don't see either season 4 or 5 in its entirety appealing to him... and most (other than diehard MV fans.) 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
summer84 Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) For me both season 4 and 5 are weak seasons. But I've always preferred S4 a bit more despite of some ridiculous episodes. The Vice squad were still a team and that fall apart in the last season. DJ being absent or appearing only without the other castmembers. As been said before the thrill and excitement and energy on the show and from the actors was gone. I couldn't at all get into the very darker tone of S5. Edited January 21, 2018 by summer84 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vicegirl85 Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 12 hours ago, Boca Raton said: Does everyone agree that 5 is better than 4? i keep hearing 5 is the worst and IMO it’s really not that bad... Sadly my re-watching of the series has stalled; too much other stuff going on in RL. Speaking only from memory of watching 5 during the original run: I thought the Burnett arc was very well-done, and fit perfectly with the development of Crockett as a character. He always talked about the danger of forgetting who really was while working undercover; he watched other undercover cops get sucked into their cover life over the course of the series; and finally it happened to him. If some of the amnesia premise was weak, there is an element of reality to it because of the giant ethical violation he committed when he killed Hackman, and the psychological injury he suffered as a result. I remember being disappointed in the storylines once the Burnett arc was completed. There was a marginal attempt to show that Crockett was investigated and that he received counseling, although I can't believe that in RL he would ever have been allowed to work undercover again. However, the burnout suffered by Tubbs as well as Crockett, and the destructive effects of undercover life on Switek were well-portrayed, IMO. Gina and Trudy were pushed into the background more than ever, which was sad. And Castillo seemed almost an impotent force for his team. I disliked Freefall because to me it felt like a downer ending to the series. But it was a great portrayal of the burnout experienced by C&T, as well as the inevitable result of the conflicting agendas of the vice squad and the other (federal) government agencies they were supposed to be working with. Very cynical and nihilistic, and as I said basically inevitable considering the overall path of the series and the characters' experiences. For me, MV had good episodes throughout the series run, but with the revolving door of writers, directors, and producers, it lost its way and had a generally downward spiral from Season 4 to the end. Unlike a lot of people here, I really liked Season 3 in general. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca Raton Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 From what I’ve read 3 endings were filmed: Tubbs dies Tubbs & Crockett both die Tubbs & Crockett both live (obviously this is what we see) it would be nice to see these as bonus features in the BluRay but all we got was zilch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComplimentsofMrCalderone Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Boca Raton said: From what I’ve read 3 endings were filmed: Tubbs dies Tubbs & Crockett both die Tubbs & Crockett both live (obviously this is what we see) it would be nice to see these as bonus features in the BluRay but all we got was zilch Wow. 3 endings filmed? I had no idea! Was this reported in a magazine or something? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vicegirl85 Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 It was reported in various print outlets at the time. I don't recall seeing anything definitive from the studio or network, NBC. And no one has ever seen the alternate endings, as far as I know, so if they were filmed, they may have ended up being trashed when the existing ending was chosen. Cynically, I wonder if the story of the 3 endings was a rumor put out to puff up some publicity as the series was winding down. Perhaps someone here has inside knowledge :). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
summer84 Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 It's also been discussed in this thread and Coop posted articles about it at the end of the page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 The story with the 3 endings is true and was also confirmed in a documentary a few years ago. In 1989 hardly any series was concluded with a final episode that portrayed the fate of main characters but rather with a normal episode that just happened to be the last. Thus NBC experimented and decided shortly before airing to let C&T live mainly because they did not want to disappoint fan base and a spinoff was planned (Leap of Faith!) that involved occasional show ups of C&T. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadrian Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 I don’t think there’s ever been anyone on earth that could’ve redeemed the Leap of Faith spinoff with occasional show ups. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirrorimageegamirorrim Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) This is an interesting question and I suppose the answer you give depends on how you define "jump the shark". If you think of it as a turning point after which a show becomes permanently unwatchable then I would say that Miami Vice never fully jumped the shark. If you think of it as a turning point after which the standard (or vibe, feel, etc.) of earlier seasons is never attained again then I would say this does apply. It occurred after season 2 ended and Michael Mann handed over the reins to the Dick. There was a definite decline after this, starting in season 3 and culminating in season 4, which is, without doubt, the series nadir (I've been waiting to use that word for a couple of years and I realized that now is the moment. ). I've stated before in some other thread, I don't remember where, that in seasons 3 and 4 the show felt like Wolf had simply commandeered the characters and locations we all knew and loved so much and haphazardly dropped them into his own personal police drama. He had no respect for what made the show great. He and NBC used these characters and locations to exploit the audience for ratings. Thankfully, a valiant effort was made in season 5 to recover some of the vibe of seasons 1 and 2 and it was somewhat successful. Season 5, if you can get past the clothing, is actually quite good. It's head and shoulders above 3 and 4 but still not nearly as good as 1 and 2. I rank the seasons from best to worst 2, 1, 5, 3, 4, with 3 only slightly surpassing 4 for the 4th place spot. Edited January 21, 2018 by mirrorimageegamirorrim 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca Raton Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 49 minutes ago, mirrorimageegamirorrim said: This is an interesting question and I suppose the answer you give depends on how you define "jump the shark". If you think of it as a turning point after which a show become permanently unwatchable then I would say that Miami Vice never fully jumped the shark. If you think of it as turning point after which the standard (or vibe, feel, etc.) of earlier seasons is never attained again then I would say this does apply. It occurred after season 2 ended and Michael Mann handed over the reigns to the Dick. There was a definite decline after this, starting in season 3 and culminating in season 4, which is, without doubt, the series nadir (I've been waiting to use that word for a couple of years and I realized that now is the moment. ). I've stated before in some other thread, I don't remember where, that in seasons 3 and 4 the show felt like Wolf had simply commandeered the characters and locations we all knew and loved so much and haphazardly dropped them into his own personal police drama. He had no respect for what made the show great. He and NBC used these characters and locations to exploit the audience for ratings. Thankfully, a valiant effort was made in season 5 to recover some of the vibe of seasons 1 and 2 and it was somewhat successful. Season 5, if you can get past the clothing, is actually quite good. It's head and shoulders above 3 and 4 but still not nearly as good as 1 and 2. I rank the seasons from best to worst 2, 1, 5, 3, 4, with 3 only slightly surpassing 4 for the 4th place spot. I can’t agree more! The clothes made S5 look/feel worse than it was. The Walking Dead was a great show but the new showrunner obviously milked it for the money & it’s art vs commerce. They are bleeding it dry until it’s a worthless shell to be ridiculed. Season 4 of Vice was too insane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miller Hailiffe Posted October 1, 2018 Report Share Posted October 1, 2018 Missing hours was terrible but it gave me a chance to see trudy in her tight outfits, damn she was gorgeous But the amnesia episodes where crockett believes hes burnett were boring pieces of shit, even his sunglasses sucked 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bren10 Posted October 1, 2018 Report Share Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) It never did. It had some bad, sometimes very bad episodes. But because the show was episodic it was easy for it to recover the very next week. Nothing ever derailed it permanently. However, I wonder if that would be the case if the show had made it into the 90s like many people wished it would. Those very same people may have wound up hating the show by the end. Edited March 5, 2020 by Bren10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Ferrariman Posted October 1, 2018 Administrators Report Share Posted October 1, 2018 When Jan Hammer left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daytona74 Posted October 1, 2018 Report Share Posted October 1, 2018 James Brown as an alien. Wonder how that meeting with his agent went. Agent: "We've finally got you a spot on the show. Would you be ok with playing an alien leader?" James Brown: "Erm... ok... are you sure this is on Miami Vice, an not on 'V' ?" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Den Taylor Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 Am 21.1.2018 um 17:48 schrieb ComplimentsofMrCalderone: Ridiculous costumes? What ridiculous costumes??? 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDragon86 Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 (edited) Michael Mann leaving. Edited January 23, 2020 by RedDragon86 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afi Keita James Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) Season 3 when they abandoned the edge and original vision period, although it had some quality episodes during the subsequent seasons, it was never the same again, plus wiseguy and even more, 21 jump street was all the rage and Miami vice didn't exist. Edited January 23, 2020 by Afi Keita James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDragon86 Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) The changes after season 2. Edited March 5, 2020 by RedDragon86 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDragon86 Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) On 1/21/2018 at 10:18 PM, mirrorimageegamirorrim said: This is an interesting question and I suppose the answer you give depends on how you define "jump the shark". If you think of it as a turning point after which a show becomes permanently unwatchable then I would say that Miami Vice never fully jumped the shark. If you think of it as a turning point after which the standard (or vibe, feel, etc.) of earlier seasons is never attained again then I would say this does apply. It occurred after season 2 ended and Michael Mann handed over the reins to the Dick. There was a definite decline after this, starting in season 3 and culminating in season 4, which is, without doubt, the series nadir (I've been waiting to use that word for a couple of years and I realized that now is the moment. ). I've stated before in some other thread, I don't remember where, that in seasons 3 and 4 the show felt like Wolf had simply commandeered the characters and locations we all knew and loved so much and haphazardly dropped them into his own personal police drama. He had no respect for what made the show great. He and NBC used these characters and locations to exploit the audience for ratings. Thankfully, a valiant effort was made in season 5 to recover some of the vibe of seasons 1 and 2 and it was somewhat successful. Season 5, if you can get past the clothing, is actually quite good. It's head and shoulders above 3 and 4 but still not nearly as good as 1 and 2. I rank the seasons from best to worst 2, 1, 5, 3, 4, with 3 only slightly surpassing 4 for the 4th place spot. Its a shame Michael Mann didn't decide to come back for the final season to sort out the visual side of things that made the show look and feel so good to begin. It might have made Don more motivated knowing Mann was back . Edited March 5, 2020 by RedDragon86 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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