Burnett's S&W 4506!!

[Kavinsky]

Does that stuff really work? I've always had an odd feeling about sticking the wilson combat ones I bought for the 1911's in them.I mean isnt there a chance that it could cause spring problems or feeding problems by messing with its dimensions in there?Although I must say that one looks different from the Wilson combat one, that looked like a solid blue version of that, like there was no cuts in it and no sort of contours in it (if that's the right way to put it)http://shopwilsoncombat.com/Shok-Buff-Recoil-Buffers-1911-Package-of-6/productinfo/2B/like its just a solid piece of plastic stuck in there, yours however seems to have a different design to it.

[Gary1911A1]

It does shorten slide travel shortly which can effect ejection of a fired case and perhaps the time envelope for the magazine spring to push up another round before it's fed into the chamber, but I don't find this to be a problem. For practice I think it's good, but I wouldn't use it for personal protection. This thread has me wanting to shoot one of my large frame S&W autos at the range today.

[Lifeguard]

I got busy with my summer business and couldn't get back to the forum (or watch my friday night episodes) until now. I've been hunting photos of 4506s on the internet and I made a pdf of the evolution of what I've learned about the handgun so far. Unfortunately, the forum won't let me post a pdf document. So I'm going to take some time and rewrite everything over again along with pics that show each of the stages of evolution:Smith & Wesson 645 (2nd generation predecessor): manufactured 1985-1988key differences: *front revolver sight*rear flat sight*stainless steel trigger & hammer*thinner frame with two piece grips*brushed finish*metal magazine butt*square trigger guard[ATTACH=CONFIG]8115[/ATTACH] Smith & Wesson 645 (transitional): manufactured 1988noticeable change: *front Novak sight*thicker frame with one piece Xenoy grip*bead blasted finish*plastic magazine butt[ATTACH=CONFIG]8116[/ATTACH]Smith & Wesson 4506: manufactured 1988 thru 19??noticeable change: model number on frame[ATTACH=CONFIG]8117[/ATTACH]Smith & Wesson 4506 (intermediate): manufactured 19?? thru 1992Noticeable change: Novak rear sight[ATTACH=CONFIG]8118[/ATTACH]Smith & Wesson 4506-1: manufactured 1992 thru 199?Noticeable change: *thicker/heavier frame (1006 frame?)*rounded trigger guard(I can't seem to get the several images of the 4506-1 I have to upload)Smith & Wesson 4506-1 (final): manufactured 199? thru 1999 (or 2001)noticeable change: blued trigger and hammer[ATTACH=CONFIG]8114[/ATTACH]Those are the stages in the S&W .45 development I've been able to see looking exterior changes. The transitional 645/4506 stage is what I understand to be Crockett's 5th season sidearm, but the early 4506 (prior to the novak rear sight) is a good substitute as the only visual difference is the model number on the frame. I will probably try to get this early 4506 for my first Crockett hand-canon, but if I come across a 645-T I may snatch it up. I see a lot of speculation that the 4506-1 uses the frame from the 1006. I believe the 4006 uses the frame for 9mm, since the .40 S&W has less power than the 10mm and did not need a beefy .45 frame.In looking online, I noticed Vic Mackey from the The Shield uses the later version of the 4506-1 with the blued trigger and hammer along with an adjustable sight. Vic Mackey being played by Michael Chiklis, who was also Det. Jeffrey Whitehead in "The Lost Madonna" from 5th season. The Shield was created by my fellow Rockford, IL native Shawn Ryan who was also a writer on Don Johnson's series Nash Bridges. Coincidently enough I shared an office with Shawn Ryan's mother one year, and she was talking about meeting Michael Chiklis when visiting her son. So I told her I had a tape of a very early Chiklis, and loaned her my VHS copy at that time of "The Lost Madonna." She was amused, but I don't know if she ever brought up to Chiklis after that. Small world, 6 degrees of Miami Vice.

[Lifeguard]

Trying again with the 4506-1 image:[ATTACH=CONFIG]8119[/ATTACH]

[Kavinsky]

8115[/ATTACH] Smith & Wesson 645 (transitional): manufactured 1988noticeable change: *front Novak sight*thicker frame with one piece Xenoy grip*bead blasted finish*plastic magazine butt[ATTACH=CONFIG]8116[/ATTACH]Smith & Wesson 4506: manufactured 1988 thru 19??noticeable change: model number on frame[ATTACH=CONFIG]8117[/ATTACH]Smith & Wesson 4506 (intermediate): manufactured 19?? thru 1992Noticeable change: Novak rear sight[ATTACH=CONFIG]8118[/ATTACH]Smith & Wesson 4506-1: manufactured 1992 thru 199?Noticeable change: *thicker/heavier frame (1006 frame?)*rounded trigger guard(I can't seem to get the several images of the 4506-1 I have to upload)Smith & Wesson 4506-1 (final): manufactured 199? thru 1999 (or 2001)noticeable change: blued trigger and hammer[ATTACH=CONFIG]8114[/ATTACH]Those are the stages in the S&W .45 development I've been able to see looking exterior changes. The transitional 645/4506 stage is what I understand to be Crockett's 5th season sidearm, but the early 4506 (prior to the novak rear sight) is a good substitute as the only visual difference is the model number on the frame. I will probably try to get this early 4506 for my first Crockett hand-canon, but if I come across a 645-T I may snatch it up. I see a lot of speculation that the 4506-1 uses the frame from the 1006. I believe the 4006 uses the frame for 9mm, since the .40 S&W has less power than the 10mm and did not need a beefy .45 frame.In looking online, I noticed Vic Mackey from the The Shield uses the later version of the 4506-1 with the blued trigger and hammer along with an adjustable sight. Vic Mackey being played by Michael Chiklis, who was also Det. Jeffrey Whitehead in "The Lost Madonna" from 5th season. The Shield was created by my fellow Rockford, IL native Shawn Ryan who was also a writer on Don Johnson's series Nash Bridges. Coincidently enough I shared an office with Shawn Ryan's mother one year, and she was talking about meeting Michael Chiklis when visiting her son. So I told her I had a tape of a very early Chiklis, and loaned her my VHS copy at that time of "The Lost Madonna." She was amused, but I don't know if she ever brought up to Chiklis after that. Small world, 6 degrees of Miami Vice.

Also for the True 645; there are actually techincally two gens, the early ones like Crockett's had square Bushings, yes SQUARE for the Gloss Grips that he had, along with a black front sight bead, which was quickly changed to red to show up betterand midway through the run they switched over to the normal Circular bushing to make it easier to use custom grips on it, and actually I'm trying to stretch the Packmyer grips with gun grease to fit over the square bushings but they do still work just fine, just that its not that flush fitting, it just slightly sticks up from the frame.so chances are if you wanted to retrofit the matt black grips here http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8120&stc=1&d=1372402938to this one, it probably wouldnt work or work wellhttp://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=349954276 but vice versa it would probably work to fit the gloss grips to thatand they switched over to matt black grips along with a screw driver screw for the right side safety instead of a hex pin screw in the one in the above photoso if you wanted the extra options without that hickup a latter gun like that would be advisable and then just buy some gloss grips and the much better looking hex pin screw to put on it.and the rear sight has a white outline around it, which can sometimes rub offhttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8124&stc=1&d=1372403879For the 645 TR they also changed the front strap checkering to be much smoother and much less aggressive, as it used the same harsh checkering on it as the front strap of the gun (which was also done on the early glocks as well)645http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8122&stc=1&d=1372403877645TR and 4506http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8125&stc=1&d=1372403879a noted complain about the 645 (took some getting used to, I honestly put a strip of carefully cut black electrical tape over it on mine for awhile then took it off after I got used to it) although the extra thickness of the Packmyer grips probably made it feel a lot less aggressive (1/4th of an inch thicker than stock)and switched over to a two dot rear sighthttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8123&stc=1&d=1372403878along with saving money on rear strap checkering by just removing the rear strap and having the new one piece grip take its spot, but allowing easier access to the main spring as well which is under the rear spring housing checkering on the Original 645.and they switched over to a new right side ambidextrous safety http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8121&stc=1&d=1372403876as sometimes if its not on there tight enough or locktighted in place on the original 645 (blue locktight, not permanent I did that myself to mine, needed a cleaning and oiling in there anyways) it could come undone under live firealong with putting a ramp on the nose for the front novak sight to sit on, forgot to mention that, its one of the things that kind of looks unseemly on the gun, 645 TR and 4506 compared to the original 645http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8127&stc=1&d=1372404851personally I would have made the ramp angle less aggressive or rounded off the sides of the hump or both just to match the angle of the slide.maybe like on this 4586http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8128&stc=1&d=1372406406For the 4506 1989 to 1991 supposedly the frame was slightly thicker than the 645 TR, possibly a change in grip construction (Unknown if true, never handed a 645 TR)as for the Novak nightsights I dont know if those are aftermarket, an option or whatnot but there was a choice between an M1 garand Sheilded target sight from the 645 all the way up until the guns end of production I believehttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8126&stc=1&d=1372404378adjustable for height and windage I believeand the trigger guard was rounded in 1991 along with some other smith guns earlier to make it easier for them to make holsters for them, supposedly the beretta 92FS holsters work for the earlier gunsproduction date for the 645 1985 to 1988 (645 TR model late 1988) the 4506 1989 to 2001 (2007 with LEO contracts)and for the latter guns they coated the hammers and triggers black with molded injection pieces for style reasons along with adding billboards to the gunand .40 SW is NOT to be underestimated, the 4006 had a beefed up frame from the 9mm and alot of guns that tried to do an easy 9mm to .40 conversion paid the price in the long run.the first 96's and glock .40s in particularas the PSI is much higher and usually they just hollowed out a 9mm barrel to .40 without enough metal to properly handle the PSI of the 40 SW calliber cartridge properly.or it can just not reloads because the case dimensions are not set up rightthe ones that have taken on .40 and done well are usually a reverse engineering of .45 to .40 like the glock 21 to glock 20 10mmor the gun that was designed around it the 4006 or the Sig Sauer P229 and P239Hmm knowing how things go with that kind of deal chances are maybe he saw the gun back then, knew about it and requested it from the armorer with the Michael Chiklis deal.after all I always kind of wondered if maybe seeing the Cuda in down for the count and other episodes of Vice in the backgroundthat maybe Don kinda liked the car

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=xL2hQBP8qkw

(also note, a somewhat stock black 1973 corvette C3, like the one he used to drive just with original body and interior on it, general lee wheels on it thought, that CANT be a coincidence that it faces off against the TR and looses, probably the same car seen here at 1:12 painted black too)

but anyways the cuda shows up in two episodes of S3 by the way, The baby Theives one as the bad guys car (along with the aston from walk alone)http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_125199-Aston-Martin-V8-Volante-1983.html and then meets its end in Down for the counthttp://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_142818-Plymouth-Barracuda-1972.htmlhttp://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_133237-Plymouth--Cuda-1972.html and then saw that rare one going for insane money hence why he had them make a few clones of it for Nash Bridgeshell he actually had Mr Quickshot from the hitlist make him his gun in that show tooone would think that would be possible with other forms of media as well, hell look at vice city and vice city stories as Dan Houser was proported as watching Miami Vice and doing a vice marathon before then to get ready for making the game, so its probably very possible.

[Lifeguard]

Thanks, I wasn't sure on the evolution of the 645. I'll have to include those changes in my PDF and make it an evolution of the 645 and 4506 combined. All the pictures I found of the adjustable sight make it appear as if it had been available unchanged throughout the run. I left it out to focus on the fixed sight to make the chart less complicated. Summer has been pretty slow business wise. May not have the funds to invest in a 645 or 4506 until the fall. The Illinois concealed carry bill is still waiting to be signed, so it will be awhile before I can be strapped Crockett-style

[Lifeguard]

I googled the 645 trying to find an pic example of the early version and haven't been able to find an example. Anyone have a good pic of the early 645, preferably the left side, for comparison?

[Lifeguard]

I googled the 645 trying to find an pic example of the early version and haven't been able to find an example. Anyone have a good pic of the early 645' date=' preferably the left side, for comparison?[/quote']Nevermind, I just scrolled down the gunbroker auction and saw the pics were lower down. That one has a red front sight on it tho, whereas Crockett had a black front sight as I understand. Too bad this has been a lousy summer, usually I'm flush enough with cash that I might have jumped on that auction.edit: Still haven't found an early 645 pic with the black site bead insert. Seems like it might be a pretty rare version.

[Lifeguard]

Something else I was just noticing looking at the pics of the various 4506s I've collected, is that the 645-TR pic has an obvious back strap curve to the Xenoy grip. But the other 4506 pics seem to have a straight back strap grip. I thought the straight backstrap Xenoy grip was a characteristic of the frame of the 4506-1. Am I looking at these grips at the wrong angle, or is the curved grip limited to the 645-TR?

[Kavinsky]

Thanks' date=' I wasn't sure on the evolution of the 645. I'll have to include those changes in my PDF and make it an evolution of the 645 and 4506 combined. All the pictures I found of the adjustable sight make it appear as if it had been available unchanged throughout the run. I left it out to focus on the fixed sight to make the chart less complicated. Summer has been pretty slow business wise. May not have the funds to invest in a 645 or 4506 until the fall. The Illinois concealed carry bill is still waiting to be signed, so it will be awhile before I can be strapped Crockett-style [/quote']Yeah Illinois is on my list of states to avoid when it comes to those kind of matters. Still kind of crazy to think that the mayor of Chicago there wouldnt even allow them to film a movie there all the way up to his death in 1976.and probably tv shows as well.A guy called Richard J Daily I believe, hence why his name was a running gag in the Blues Brothers (1980).and I thought I had it bad here in MA, still some good people here putting up a fight about that kind of crap though, probably why it aint too bad here.Anyways this is the right side of one of the early oneshttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8131&stc=1&d=1372567442if you need photos gunbroker is always a good source of photos for this kind of thing.Yeah I actually found that out by accident, I was looking at a VLC snap from the imfdb and then I noticed that it was black, went to the smith and wesson forums to ask about it only to find out it was a very early option.probably could have it done yourself actually, just have a black insert put in its place. The Curved grip was kind of used on all of them, some had it, some didnt, seemed like it was an option to maybe make the thing more 1911 like with the straight grip. http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8133&stc=1&d=1372567748http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8135&stc=1&d=1372567875although with a better feel to it because you dont have that sharp end on the bottom forcing the gun up in your handhttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8132&stc=1&d=1372567745http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8134&stc=1&d=1372567750they rounded it off on the whole smith line basically, giving it a much nicer feel than a 1911

[Lifeguard]

http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8135&stc=1&d=1372567875although with a better feel to it because you dont have that sharp end on the bottom forcing the gun up in your handhttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8134&stc=1&d=1372567750they rounded it off on the whole smith line basically, giving it a much nicer feel than a 1911

OK, so I wasn't going crazy there. The rounded grip is actually in the structure of the grip itself and not in the difference in the frame between the 4506 and 4506-1. So if I buy one with one type of grip, I can switch it out with the other grip if I want to. I will have to watch the 5th season with an eye on the grip now to see which one is on Crockett's 645-TR/4506. Yeah, I did find pics of the early 645 right side with the hex screw. I have yet to find the black sight bead outside of Vice pics, very rare. My summer has been a little on the wet side, :regen: and my summer business relies on dry and hot weather to do well, so funds are a little short. But my plan is to set $100 aside every two weeks and buy one item of the jackass rig at the same time. I already have the Galco handcuff case and just ordered a pair of Smith & Wesson handcuffs, and set $100 aside. So around September I should have enough coin to look at purchasing a hand canon. Either a 645 of early or later vintage, and just add the black bead, glossy grips and hex screw as needed; or a 645-TR or early 4506 with flat rear sight and polish the sides of the slide. Then order any more mags to make 3 total to complete my hand canon and rig. That's the plan.

[Kavinsky]

OK' date=' so I wasn't going crazy there. The rounded grip is actually in the structure of the grip itself and not in the difference in the frame between the 4506 and 4506-1. So if I buy one with one type of grip, I can switch it out with the other grip if I want to. I will have to watch the 5th season with an eye on the grip now to see which one is on Crockett's 645-TR/4506. Yeah, I did find pics of the early 645 right side with the hex screw. I have yet to find the black sight bead outside of Vice pics, very rare. My summer has been a little on the wet side, :regen: and my summer business relies on dry and hot weather to do well, so funds are a little short. But my plan is to set $100 aside every two weeks and buy one item of the jackass rig at the same time. I already have the Galco handcuff case and just ordered a pair of Smith & Wesson handcuffs, and set $100 aside. So around September I should have enough coin to look at purchasing a hand canon. Either a 645 of early or later vintage, and just add the black bead, glossy grips and hex screw as needed; or a 645-TR or early 4506 with flat rear sight and polish the sides of the slide. Then order any more mags to make 3 total to complete my hand canon and rig. That's the plan.[/quote']It was the curved one, I remember it from the freefall final shootout scene and the victims of circumstance episode.

[Lifeguard]

It was the curved one' date=' I remember it from the freefall final shootout scene and the victims of circumstance episode.[/quote']Thanks, I was just about to watch the last DVD of season 5 for that. Saved me some time. I've qualified on a M1911A1, and I think I'd prefer the curved to the straight grip too.

[Matt5]

Great item:D:shout:

[Lifeguard]

Whoops, I spoke too soon. The Governor in Illinois just did an amendatory veto on the concealed carry bill here. The new requirements restrict carry to only one firearm with one magazine with 10 rounds or less. Guess I can't strap like Crockett after all:cry:. No BUG and no extra mags. I guess I can still carry the handcuffs. Unless 3/5ths of the legislature override his veto, which the carry bill passed with greater than 3/5ths the first time around, so it's still possible.

[Kavinsky]

yup that's what they do, try and nitpick you to death.Surprised they have done a caliber restriction as well, Illinois nazis huh?

just wanna run them outta town.

[Lifeguard]

just wanna run them outta town.

Ha!! Blues Brothers reference. No, no caliber restriction that I know of. .45 ACP and 10mm safe for now.

[Lifeguard]

Ha!! Blues Brothers reference. No' date=' no caliber restriction that I know of. .45 ACP and 10mm safe for now.[/quote']Hmmm....this talk of caliber has made me wonder. If Crockett had not burned-out and quit in '89, what would he have upgraded to from the 4506. Would he have gone back to the 10mm (assuming the Bren Ten was really meant to be 10mm in the Vice universe despite it firing .45 ACP on set) with a 1006 in 1990, would he have changed over to the new .40 S&W with the smaller 4006 in 1991, or would he have stuck with the 4506 or 4506-1?Edit: Had another thought, the producers purposely equipped Crockett with the most modern sidearms. Had Crockett continued on into the '90s and '00s, would he have adopted the lightweight plastic firearms that are popular, or would that have been the turning point for him to go "old school" with his weaponry and stick with the feel of an all metal handgun and certainly more attractive?

[Kavinsky]

Ha!! Blues Brothers reference. No' date=' no caliber restriction that I know of. .45 ACP and 10mm safe for now.[/quote']Good, thankfully no one has given them that kind of idea and sadly apparently the writers of Blue Blood think a 10mm is a caliber only a gangster would want, would you believe.Damn Hollywood, without guns they wouldnt have anything to film nowadays, they'd be out of a job the ungrateful bastards. and then they'd have to work and creating a proper conflict that is more than a guy pulling a spare rod and actually have to write something more than bad guy pulls gun on cop, hostage situation insues ugh it makes me miss the 1990's when TNG was still on along with Babylon 5, they made a show last 7 years just with good writing and no real fire fights for basic drama. now its the opposite and that kind of good stuff dies after the first season like that show Intelligence from a few years ago.just really a damn shame, hell even the car shows have to much drama crap in them usually now, fast and loud and wheeler dealers excluded.makes me yearn for a fun cop show like Barney Miller, Kojack or the rockford files or something, just way too much drama out there nowadays, life is too short to focus on when you die god damn it cant we just have some fucking fun anymore maybe mixed at a 70 fun /30 drama ratio like the old days damn it lolAnyways the 10mm was ment to be an inbetween of 9mm 124 grains at 1047 FPS and .45 ACP at 230 grains at 850 FPS originally, with a flatter long range trajectory at 200 Grains at a 1000 FPS for service usethink the best of both worlds, after all a heavier bullet at low velocity is what does the job according to Elmer Keith in Sixguns now imagine both 200 grains and the velocity of the 9mm roughly in an easier to reload case at .40 call, as something about the way the bullet is seated on the .45 is a little harder to reload than the .40, which is rigged up more like a magnum cartridge and this would be a better choice than 9mm as they cant use 9mm/.35 Hollowpoints in the military under the 1918 convention, hence why the .45 was favored for so long and why they didnt want to switch to 9mm despite everyone threatening hell and damnation if they didnt do it. probably just because they wanted to spend less on the armed forces and having to actually train them with it, rather than just going with a gun that handles .45 better like the 645 with pack grips.as apparently even if you flinch with 9mm you qualify for the army here in the US.as the old term used to be they all drop to ball ammo from that gun, 9mm even by the germans was considered inferior to the .45 and our troops were forced into using over pressurised SMG ammo mixed in by accident with the normal stuff for the 9mm pistolshence the problems the walther P38 based Beretta 92 was having, instead of going for a heavier grainage wise load like the FBI went with with a 147 grains they went the wrong way and its wrecking the pistols.hence why the 10mm was not ment to be a magnum cartridge like it is now, as like in the .41 magnums case it was overloaded in the magnum era of the 1980's, and also 1000 FPS is just under the speed of sound, meaning it produces one less crack, the crack of the bullet going supersonic and thus is less likely to badly deafen in a closed spacewhich is one of the reasons why alot of people opt for .45 ACP for self defense vs say a .357, 44 or .38 special plus + round. also I wonder if they use ear plugs in the military for regular operations.... or even just basic target shooting?and sorry I should have used the full term there, National Socialist German Workers' Party.funny how different that sounds when you dont use the abrevation huh? hence why when I get angry I tend to use that term, you would think more people would see the connection.and thus not buy into there jive ass fear anything and everything that could possibly hurt you if missused crap.as that's what the socalist democrates do (misspelled intentionally I might add) overregulate and ban everything in fear of its missuse, never deal with the problem in a smart way that doesnt infringe upon ones rights. and keeps both parties happy or atleast reaches a compromise like the whole point of the original system was supposed to be.its a very dangerous thing this socialism as my grandfather and grandmother from germany could probably tell you if they were both still living.With the caliber thing you could just look at Collateral and Heat to see what Michale Mann probably would have equipped him with.http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Collateralhttp://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Heat hell even tubbs turned in his model 49 .38 special for a Sig Sauer 228 for the final episode, and he was packing a two tone .45 sig in the burnett episodes so its very possible he would have gone for something else other than a smith but it would have to be in a proper cartridge and very big lookingsomething with ATLEAST a 5 inch barrel, as theres just something inherently right looking about a 5 inch gun.maybe even the Nash Bridges gunhttp://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Nash_Bridgesnowadays though if you wanted to be distinct you would have to go old school as everyone is getting tired of these alloy framed/ polymer framed guns and that failed .223 guards gun they keep equipping everyone with in the military

[Kavinsky]

Also just as a fun little experiment play this

over this, it seems to work

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLBZ69dVzWs

[Gary1911A1]

Hmmm....this talk of caliber has made me wonder. If Crockett had not burned-out and quit in '89' date=' what would he have upgraded to from the 4506. Would he have gone back to the 10mm (assuming the Bren Ten was really meant to be 10mm in the Vice universe despite it firing .45 ACP on set) with a 1006 in 1990, would he have changed over to the new .40 S&W with the smaller 4006 in 1991, or would he have stuck with the 4506 or 4506-1?Edit: Had another thought, the producers purposely equipped Crockett with the most modern sidearms. Had Crockett continued on into the '90s and '00s, would he have adopted the lightweight plastic firearms that are popular, or would that have been the turning point for him to go "old school" with his weaponry and stick with the feel of an all metal handgun and certainly more attractive?[/quote']I have thought about this myself. First, Sonny was a advocate of big bore calibers like the 10MM and .45 which I don't blame him. I still carry a .45 myself. Except for the Glock and Witness Pistols there are no current 10MM which I believe Sonny would consider leaving the .45ACP. Second, Sonny liked DA/SA type pistols so I don't believe he would of chosen the 1911. In .45ACP in DA/SA in current production quality pistols that leaves use with the Sig 220, which "Bad Sonny" carried, not to mention in the pilot movie, the HK USP or HK45 versions and the new FNX45. The FNX is to large for conceal carry and unproven. The HK except for the Compact versions are to large and have heavy DA triggers. Even with custom work the DA Triggers on HKs' don't improve much. I know this to be true and Sonny was a marksman. I think he would of gone back to the Sig 220 and look hard at the new Sig 227 with 10 round magazines of .45. I will.

[Gary1911A1]

Here's a link to the new Sig 227:http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p227-nitron.aspx

[Kavinsky]

http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p227-nitron.aspx

The asking price is unsettling though' date=' $993 bucks, 1085 with nightsights not including sales tax up here.and the carry version starts at $1085[url']https://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p227-carry-nitron.aspxand the price just goes up and uphttps://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p227-sas-gen-2.aspxand no reverse two tone like on the mosquitoe availableI do kind of like the look of these two thoughhttps://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/m11-a1.aspxhttps://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p226-elite-sao.aspxbut that Might be the photography department making it look better in artificial lighting than real lighting. Part of the reason why its a good idea to go view a few ads on GB to see how it looks in real lighting and to give you a better idea of how it looks in person.also lifeguard this is what I was talking about with the novak sightshttps://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p220.aspxand I think I found Burnett's gun, somewhat.http://www.imfdb.org/images/8/87/MV4-SIG220-3.jpghttp://www.imfdb.org/images/f/fa/BurnettP2202.jpghttp://www.imfdb.org/images/0/0b/BurnettP2204.jpghttps://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p220-stainless-reverse-two-tone.aspxbottom of the page, complete with a stainless frame, price is surprisingly on par with the other guns, rather than costing double of what the others are.although not sure how close that is to the nickel finish of the burnett gun, hammer and trigger would have to be redone.

[Lifeguard]

I've have been collecting smaller components of my Crockett hand-canon rig and thought I would share what I have so far:I haven't purchased a full new Galco Jackass rig, because the harness is incorrect and they don't make one to fit the S&W 4506 or 465. So I'm putting one together with current pieces available. I have the JCL28H Jackass mag holder in havanah brown which fits the 4506/465 magazines. Although the color is correct and it fits the correct magazines, current holder is riveted together instead of sewn like the one used in seasons 3 thru 5. So it is not quite correct, but close.Below it I have the SC72H cuffs case, which is recently discontinued but you may be able to find one still in stock somewhere (I couldn't find one, so if you have noticed I've actually reversed the pic to get the proper orientation for the cuffs case as I was able to find an SC73H left handed case but not the right handed).I also picked up two brand new 8 round S&W 4506 magazines. I loaded them with Federal 230 grain .45 ACP jacketed hollow points, but due to the ammunition shortage these days due to crazy ammo hoarders, I had to get the premium hydroshock rounds. And I don't know what type of handcuffs were used in production, so I just picked up some S&W model 100-1 nickel cuffs to keep with the S&W theme.My next acquisitions will be the MCH Miami Classic harness, which comes in the wrong color of natural, but I may re-dye it or keep it for an eventual season 2 Bren Ten harness and buy another custom one from Galco. And a J202H Jackass holster in havana brown, which is for a Beretta 92F or Taurus PT100 which may fit the S&W 4506 or 465. I'm saving up for the S&W, and there were some on Gunbroker.com yesterday I would have jumped at if I had more coin. The harness I'm putting together is not completely correct, but is as close as you can get with new items for the season 3 thru 5 Jackass Rig. The other alternative is find the correct vintage rig on the secondary market, or to have Galco make a custom rig. I may eventually order a custom from Galco (and I don't know what that will cost) but for now I'll have the basic rig in the correct color.

[Kavinsky]

I've have been collecting smaller components of my Crockett hand-canon rig and thought I would share what I have so far:I haven't purchased a full new Galco Jackass rig' date=' because the harness is incorrect and they don't make one to fit the S&W 4506 or 465. So I'm putting one together with current pieces available. I have the JCL28H Jackass mag holder in havanah brown which fits the 4506/465 magazines. Although the color is correct and it fits the correct magazines, current holder is riveted together instead of sewn like the one used in seasons 3 thru 5. So it is not quite correct, but close.Below it I have the SC72H cuffs case, which is recently discontinued but you may be able to find one still in stock somewhere (I couldn't find one, so if you have noticed I've actually reversed the pic to get the proper orientation for the cuffs case as I was able to find an SC73H left handed case but not the right handed).I also picked up two brand new 8 round S&W 4506 magazines. I loaded them with Federal 230 grain .45 ACP jacketed hollow points, but due to the ammunition shortage these days due to crazy ammo hoarders, I had to get the premium hydroshock rounds. And I don't know what type of handcuffs were used in production, so I just picked up some S&W model 100-1 nickel cuffs to keep with the S&W theme.My next acquisitions will be the MCH Miami Classic harness, which comes in the wrong color of natural, but I may re-dye it or keep it for an eventual season 2 Bren Ten harness and buy another custom one from Galco. And a J202H Jackass holster in havana brown, which is for a Beretta 92F or Taurus PT100 which may fit the S&W 4506 or 465. I'm saving up for the S&W, and there were some on Gunbroker.com yesterday I would have jumped at if I had more coin. The harness I'm putting together is not completely correct, but is as close as you can get with new items for the season 3 thru 5 Jackass Rig. The other alternative is find the correct vintage rig on the secondary market, or to have Galco make a custom rig. I may eventually order a custom from Galco (and I don't know what that will cost) but for now I'll have the basic rig in the correct color.[/quote']Yeah the other thing is with GB I dont know if your state has an approved firearm roster that dictates what guns can and cant come in but knowing the place that spawned the worst politicians and criminals in the world (obama and capone come to mind immediately, mind you we had Ted Kennedy and Whitey Buldger so no bed of roses here either) I wouldnt doubt it so you may have to find your 645/4506 locally as like in CA you may not be able to bring it in. although the bren ten counts as C and R because its been out of production for 30 years and the company is long gone. and thus C and R, curio and relic applies to it so the BS the communist states are pushing does not apply no matter how hard they try to huff, puff and blow your door downalso with the license to carry thing originally this country didnt give a damn about permits like that, only if you had the license to own it, and thus states are using it as an excuse to say you cant carry your own gun even if you legally own it.