Episode #39 "French Twist"

[Dadrian]

Does anyone have the script for this episode?

[RedDragon86]

I have got the full script but can't find this part.

Come on, cutie.
Ready? (Whistling) - Hey, how you doing? - Hi.
Hey, you need somebody to sign for that? Dr.
Roscoe's gotta sign, buddy.
Dr.
Roscoe is not here today.
He's playing golf.
I'll sign.
Ooh, big skateboard star doesn't want his picture taken.
(David) Come on.
I told you, no more pictures.
Come on.
(Grunts) (Truck Engine Starting) - He killed him.
- What's wrong? Cindy, what's wrong? I've got the proof.
(Phone Ringing) It's you.
She found Bandi in the United States.
He has stolen the morphine.
I imagine he is going to sell it.
He must be killed.
You are going to Miami now.
Oui.
Miami.
(Woman On P.
A.
System) Dr.
Newman, please call the operator.
I talked to the driver's supervisor.
The guy had a perfect record.
Besides, he had no way of knowing.
The waybill listed the package as medical supplies.
Medical supplies? Three keys of pharmaceutical morphine that's legal in here but you step on it, put it out on the street dude could make an awful lot of money with that kind of medicine.
(Crockett) Mr.
Blur's looking to cash in.
He was a real fighter.
I'm sorry.
(Sighing) Yeah.
Great.
Our only witness on Page 1.
A sitting duck.
We got a solid thumbprint off the delivery truck.
Maybe we can get a name.
How you doing? Terrible.
These pictures are gonna give me nightmares.
- This is a totally gross bunch of guys.
- Yeah.
Thank you.
Yes, we will.
Two thousand mug shots later, nothing.
That was Interpol.
They know who we're looking for: Sirat Bandi.
A very high-priced mule.
Moves nothing less than kilos.
- Hot off the wire.
- Thank you.
Interpol matched Bandi's thumbprint, huh? Yes.
I think I remember something about that dude.
Believe me, he's no chump.
Canada had him, but they couldn't hold on.
They want him back, alive.
He's a material witness in a capital case.
The man is a professional, proficient with all weapons.
Extortion, bombings, hits.
He'll do anything for money.
- We're gonna have to watch our witness.
- Set her up someplace safe.
Interpol wants Bandi.
They're sending someone to work with us.
Inspector Daniel Hier.
(Danielle) Bonsoir.
The name is Hier.
I have a reservation.
One moment.
- Hello.
I'm Sonny Crockett.
- How nice for you.
(Laughs) Detective Sonny Crockett.
Danielle Hier.
Pleasure.
Where's the girl? Right.
Let's cut the small talk.
After you.
- (Clerk) I have your room.
Miss Hier? - Hold it for me.
(Danielle) Putting the photo in the paper was not a wise move.
(Crockett) Well, we didn't put it there.
Talk to the newspaper.
She's safe.
My partner's with her.
Bandi will try to kill her.
So, why doesn't he just sell the morphine and then split town, or vice versa? It is not in his nature to leave a witness alive.
Pair of cowboys.
Ten to the straight.
Cowboys' power.
What's the matter? You don't believe my straight? Sure, I believe you.
You got a girlfriend, Rico? Officially? Well, unofficially, I guess you got about 150.
I wouldn't bet on it.
What about your partner? God, he is so good-looking.
I guess you have to ask my partner.
My deal? (Knocking On Door) Excuse me.
Come on in.
Ricardo Tubbs, say "hello" to Inspector Danielle Hier.
Daniel? Danielle Hier.
- I thought - Yeah.
It's happened before.
Smile.
(Camera Clicking) A souvenir for the happy couple.
- Hi, Cindy.
- Hi, Sonny.
Listen, you guys go ahead.
Just leave the number of the restaurant so Rico can call you if I get in any trouble.
Very funny.
You must tell me everything you saw at the hospital, Cindy.
I already told Sonny and Rico.
And now you must tell me.
Oui? Bandi will attack the girl.
Not if he's too high to pull the trigger.
He's got a lot of factory-tested smack.
He is not a drug addict, Detective.
You better check into your room before they give it away.
You all set? Yeah, everything's solid.
- We'll see you later.
- All right.
(Crickets Chirping) There's plenty of cold cuts in the refrigerator.
And don't forget to wake her up for her 3:00 feeding.
Get out of here.
(Cindy) It's crazy.
David's all trapped in that cast.
I'm all trapped in this house.
It's like "Romeo and Juliet".
I'm not introducing you to them, Carol.
They're too old, and you're too young.
No, I don't think Sonny or Rico are gonna take you to the prom.
Carol, shut up for a second.
I'm gonna need your help.
(David On Phone) Cindy and skateboard, that's my life.
Now I don't have anymore skateboard, but (Cindy On Phone) Well, I guess you're left with me, lucky guy.
That's me.
Mr.
Lucky.
Yeah.
- Well, I've been thinking.
I got a plan, babe.
- Oh.
- Would that plan include me? - Yeah.
See you when I see you.
Night-night.
(Kisses) (Crickets Chirping) (Door Creaking) (Car Engine Starting) (Sighing) Switek.
Listen, Cindy's gone.
And I think I know where she went.
I'm gonna need some backup.
Meet me at the hospital.
I am so excited about this one.
Hey, listen, good luck, all right? - Thanks, Carol.
- Break a leg.
(Laughing) Bye.
(Whispering) I escaped.
(Laughing) I missed you.
Hey, I'm getting this thing off soon, you know.
Not soon enough.
Cindy! Rico, I'm okay, I'm okay.
There's nothing to worry about.
Have you guys met? You're that Rico dude.
How are you doing? We're getting out of here now.
- I think he's really mad.
- Hey, call me.
Now what we're gonna do is we're gonna walk very quickly to that van and we're gonna get in it.
You got it? - Rico, don't you think we - Cindy.
You got it? - Yeah.
- All right.
- Cindy! Over here! - David! - Hey! Hi, David.
- (Gunshot) - (Cindy Screaming) (David) Cindy! Cindy! You all right? Cindy! (David) He's on the roof.
(Tubbs) David, get back in your room.
(Groaning) Switek! (Moaning) I'm sorry, Rico.
I messed up, right? - You're gonna be all right.
- It hurts! Better be all right.
(Crockett) Okay.
Good.
That's good news.
Very good news.
Right.
Okay, thanks.
Good morning.
That was the hospital.
Cindy's gonna be okay.
Not if your partner continues to guard her.
You got something to say about my partner, don't.
The girl is a wild card.
I know.
She is also our connection to Bandi.
We must do whatever we can to keep her alive.
That hospital room is like a fortress, like Fort Knox.
Houdini couldn't get in there, okay? It probably wasn't Tubbs' fault.
I used to be a teenager.
Teenager, huh? Let's hear your ideas about Bandi.
(Birds Chirping) I don't know.
Maybe we should be looking for a guy that's in the market for some Grade A morphine.
Find him, maybe we find Bandi.
Who knows? We could get lucky.
What does luck have to do with it? What the hell's your problem, lady? Bandi is my problem.
Yeah, well you could 'use some charm lessons.
And are you going to give them to me? (Both Laughing) Yeah, well you got me there.
Look, I don't know how they do it in France, but in this country we try to share information, work together, work as a team.
You know what I mean? It's getting late, Crockett.
Yeah.
Right.
Thanks.
(Phone Ringing) Hello.
Yes, Danielle.
How are you, Danielle? Yes, I am fine.
You haven't taken care of the wetwork Don't let me down.
Oui.
(Growling) Taking your own damn sweet time eating dinner tonight.
Come on.
- What's happening? - Hey.
Ooh, I got an allergy.
- To what? - Crocodiles.
Alligator.
Alligator.
What's up? I checked on the inspector.
You know, I like to know who I'm working with.
Well, did you find any dirt? Not any that you can see.
You know she's been with Interpol for five years, made all the right moves.
She's spent time at Stanford, Oxford, law school in Berlin.
Did some good work on major cases.
Her specialty's narcotics.
Yeah, narcotics and hostility.
She's getting to you, huh? You know, I've been thinking about tapping her phone.
You mean you already have.
(Laughing) - You and I have been working too long together.
You know all my moves.
- (Sighs) There's something definitely wrong with her, man.
I just can't put my finger on it.
Do what you gotta do, Rico.
Play out your hunch.
Just keep me informed.
Cool, man.
Later.
(Alligator Gulping) You want more? (Growling) I gotta go fishing.
Lieutenant, sir, I just didn't feel like handcuffing a young lady to a chair.
I'm not reprimanding you.
I'm stating a fact for future reference.
Check.
How long was Bandi in Switzerland before he went to Spain? (Danielle) Six months.
I would like to say something on Tubbs' behalf.
I'm all ears.
You weren't familiar with Bandi.
The man will do anything to get what he wants and risk everything to obtain it.
Sounds like some yahoo with a couple of keys.
What are you saying? I'm saying that you cannot underestimate him.
The report that Bandi was spotted at the "Blue Waters" Hotel has checked out.
We have units keeping the building under observation.
I want to make a move on him.
It's probably a trap.
We have visual confirmation that he's in his room.
Bandi is angry because he missed killing the girl.
He is never seen unless he wants to be seen.
It's a lead we have to check out.
Don't underestimate him.
Come on.
Let's nail this jerk.
Could be a trap.
Be careful.
(Water Running) (Door Squeaking) (Clicking) Set up! (Explosion) (Glass Shattering) (Stan Coughing) Sorry.
Did we wake you? (Baby Crying) You all right? No, I'm not all right.
(People Chattering) And what about this business? (Speaking In French) We haven't seen him.
We're still waiting.
When you do, it would be in your best interest to contact me.
I know someone who could help you move the merchandise.
Fast.
Well, we hear from him, we'll give you a call.
- Right.
- How about a refill? - Bonsoir.
- Who's this? It was very nice meeting you.
You haven't been telling me everything you know, have you? No games.
Straight talk.
What the hell's going on? You knew what was coming down, didn't you? An educated guess, Crockett.
I tried to warn you.
Well, you could have damn well been a little more emphatic.
And you could have listened a little bit better.
We're getting nowhere.
Nowhere.
Those two men I was talking with downstairs they're in the morphine business.
They have dealt with Bandi before.
I'm sure he will contact them.
And when he does they will call us.
(Sighing) Give me a little time, Crockett.
Maybe I'm not used to working as a team.
Maybe you're not a team player.
Cut the small talk, Crockett.
Isn't it time to cut the small talk, Crockett? I say we contact Bandi' s friends before he does.
Bandi lives for the deal, the adrenalin.
All we have to do is hang the deal in front of his face and watch his mouth water.
Make him come to us.
Inspector.
Come on, Crockett.
(Laughing) (Both Laughing) - Danielle.
- Oui? You have told me everything, right? You're joking? (Phone Ringing) Hello? What's happening? Danielle's been talking to a guy in Paris.
His name is Zolan.
And? (Tubbs) He's a big shot in Interpol.
Checks out squeaky clean.
Bandi's a priority for this dude.
Gee, that's nice to know.
Yeah.
Enjoy.
How is your friend Tubbs? Tubbs is great.
(Muttering) You want another favor, Rico? Have I told you how beautiful you look today? Or what a great cop I think you are? Cut to the chase, Rico.
The picture you ran the check went through for police agencies, right? Yeah.
Checked out right.
Well, try it the other way.
Try her as a criminal.
See if she's wanted.
I'd appreciate it.
Detective Crockett has persuaded the buyers to work with Bandi under supervised circumstances.
Bandi has been furnished with a telephone number.
It rings at Metro.
Inspector, the two buyers, Sullivan and Lipton Intelligence from my office in Paris.
Yeah.
Let me know the next time you get a tip before you act on it.
Yes, Lieutenant.
Thank you.
- I'm not sure I wanna do this.
- Well, I'm positive you wanna do it.
You have to disconnect yourself from Bandi in a hurry, pal.
You don't know Bandi.
Maybe you didn't hear me the first time.
He killed the driver and shot that Besides, if you don't work with us I'm gonna clear my desk of all my other cases and make your life one living hell.
We dropped your number on Bandi.
You can take it from here.
We need your voice.
When the bell rings, you're on.
You a guest of the hotel, sir? I'm thinking about it.
If you could park this car in a safe place I'd certainly appreciate it.
(Phone Ringing) - Hello? - (Bandi) Good morning.
Are you ready? If you are.
If you have the merchandise.
Is it as represented? Don't you read the papers? (Knocking On Door) (Sullivan) Hello? Hello.
Are you there? Excuse me for a minute.
What is it? (Man) It's Chuck, sir.
You asked me to tell you if anyone was looking for you.
- What? - A black guy.
He talked to the manager and showed him a photo that looked like you.
(Chuck) No! (Chuck Screaming) Miami Vice.
(Tubbs) Put your hands where I can see them.
Tubbs? (Crockett) Tubbs.
Hello? - You got a tip? - Guess where.
Danielle got a call from her boss man Zolan.
He told her where he thought Bandi might be.
Hotel and room number.
It's your call, man.
This is where he gets stabbed.
(Chuck On Tape) No! (Chuck Screaming) I'll fast forward it.
(Tubbs On Tape) Miami Vice.
Swi, turn that off.
Put your hands where I can see them.
Tubbs may I see you in my office? It scares me a little bit, Lieutenant that we're working with Danielle.
If she is bad, we better find out real fast or our lives are in maximum danger.
She's a cop.
She'll get her chance to explain.
- Tubbs.
- Yeah? I know.
No more "Lone Ranger".
Bandi will call back.
I told you, he lives for the deal.
What do you live for? You've got a problem? They told you where Bandi was, and you didn't tell us.
Ah, you put a bug on my telephone.
It's not that complicated, Crockett.
You knew where he was, and you didn't talk to us! - You didn't talk to us! - We had a tip.
There's a difference.
Besides, we had already agreed on a plan of action.
We were letting Bandi come to us.
This was your idea.
Zolan did not tell me to go to the hotel to get Bandi.
You did it! You almost got blown up! I didn't want you to get blown up, Crockett.
I'm touched.
If Bandi calls back tomorrow, it's gonna be a long day.
I suggest we take a rain check.
It isn't raining.
("Who's Zooming Who" Playing) (Door Opening) (Door Closing) I was hoping you would be someone else.
Your partner.
You're messing with my best friend, and I don't like it.
What do you want me to do? Make him not like me? I think you're a bad dream, baby.
I just wanna wake up and find you gone.
What if I don't want to be gone, Rico? That's easy.
I know what you are.
If you don't split, I'll have every newspaper, every wire service on your case so fast you won't know where to look.
You'll be out in the cold, baby, with no place warm in sight.
Have a nice trip home.
(Water Running) What happens to us if Bandi doesn't call? For your sake, you better hope he does.
(Phone Ringing) Hello? Jackson Park.
10:00.
By the waterfront.
(Phone Disconnects) If he sees anybody but Sullivan at the park, we'll lose him.
Make sure of your positions and make sure you can talk to each other.
Sullivan's a civilian, so protect him.
I don't like it, but Bandi's not gonna go for a decoy.
(Sighing) (Crockett) Okay, yeah.
Thanks.
Leave a message, please.
- Hi.
- Hey.
Trudy ran Danielle for international warrants.
This came back from New Zealand.
- She's wanted? - Terrorist.
Remember the "Greenpeace" boat that got blown up in a New Zealand harbor last year? Yeah, "Greenpeace" wanted to stop French nuclear testing.
Yeah.
Somebody stopped "Greenpeace" real quick.
One guy died in the explosion.
Those two guys right there have been made for French spooks.
Deuxieme Bureau.
I figure Danielle was the same a heavy, heavy spook, man.
Interpol's just her cover.
She could have been one of their assassins.
Where is she? I paid her a visit.
I told her I knew.
She doesn't want her cover blown so I figure she's on her way back to somewhere.
The thing I can't figure out, though, is why.
And what would the French C.
I.
A.
want with Bandi? Bandi's turned.
He's got too many skeletons, and they want him dead.
I'm sorry, man.
I've got two minutes past rendezvous time.
What do you got, Gina? (Larry) Am I fast? You really want me to answer that, Larry? (Engine Revving) Come on, dude.
Keep it together.
Heads up.
This could be our guy.
(Engine Revving) The money? Yes.
Merchandise? Right here.
Jet! You okay? - I think so.
- Good.
Stay that way.
(Car Horn Honking) (Bell Ringing) (Bridge Jarring) (Gun Firing) Danielle! He's dead.
Why did you kill him? He had a big mouth.
He did some work for us a few years ago.
(Bridge Jarring) I don't need this anymore.
You are a nightmare.
You have a big mouth, Tubbs.
You told me so yourself.
I'm going to leave this gun in Bandi's hand with one less bullet.
I've got to get away clean.
(Bell Ringing)

[Dadrian]

43 minutes ago, RedDragon86 said:

(People Chattering) And what about this business? (Speaking In French) We haven't seen him.
We're still waiting.
When you do, it would be in your best interest to contact me.
I know someone who could help you move the merchandise.
Fast.
Well, we hear from him, we'll give you a call.
- Right.
- How about a refill? - Bonsoir.
- Who's this? It was very nice meeting you.

It’s this part. I guess we need one of our French-speaking members to help us out. 

[Eillio Martin Imbasciati]

I think this is a solid, if not spectacular, episode of Vice. Some of my favorite things: Leonard Cohan is in it (a small touch of class there; my favorite song of his? "Closing Time", but there are so many...), Danielle's line to Crockett when they first meet (Crockett: "I'm Sonny Crockett". Danielle: "How nice for you". I don't know: very catty, but also very funny to me), Bandi as the villain (even more so nowadays because the Borat character reminds me of him, and putting those two together in my mind is fun), and Jan Hammer's reuse of his entire "Candy" instrumental from "The Golden Triangle". Also, Tubbs was the man here when it came to sniffing out the bad breeze blowing Danielle's way (love the scene when he puts his foot down on Danielle's tub, slamming the brakes on her mellow soak with authority); like Crockett said in the episode, "Tubbs is great" (T-U-B-B-S, he's so Tubbs:-).

Yeah, Cindy's a bit of a pill, but I think she gets the job done as a wide-eyed flirty teenager.

Edited October 23, 2020 by Eillio Martin Imbasciati
missed a quotation

[wolfie1996]

On 8/2/2017 at 6:46 PM, Dadrian said:

What? Margaret was hot! 

Dadrian! Control yourself  I know you have a thing about...assertive women...but don't you think Danielle was similar in the way  she gave Sonny a drink then proceeded to take his clothes off?  Ah! you're going to watch it again with a new perspective now!

[Dadrian]

Sorry I can’t be responsible for a post more than 10 minutes old. 

[ViceFanMan]

I love this episode...right from the start! It's suspenseful and action-packed with the girl seeing Bandi knifing the drug delivery guy at the hospital--and of course she gets the only photograph. The plot, MV colors, performances, etc...were awesome & the majority of the episode is action-packed—as Bandi comes after the girl, and I like the storyline of (once again) another "naughty" or bad-ugly woman that Crockett gets involved with, lol!  

This is just my opinion, but to me most of Crockett's choices in women left little to be desired--except for Gina!  They should have stuck together...but we can thank the writers for that one. One of my favorite parts of the episode is when Tubbs confronts Danielle about who and what she really was, and says: "I think you're a bad dream, baby! I just wanna wake up and...find you gone!"  Tell her, Tubbs!   Not sure what Crockett saw in this French “ice-box”...she was neither physically or psychologically attractive! 

Also, the young teenage girl Cindy is supposed to be 17 (her and her boyfriend look like they’re 25 )...where were this poor girl’s loser-“butt” parents through all this?? Just wondering?  

Another thing I noticed was when Bandi tries to assassinate Cindy from the roof of the hospital & Switek shoots at him...it seems as after only 2 shots, Stan’s gun/mag is suddenly empty...yet a 3rd shot is “heard”. Whatever the case, I’d hope that Switek had more than 2-3 rounds in his magazine! 

Anyway, I also like this episode because it's the other "main" one that includes the old Blue Waters Hotel. As I've posted before, I love historical old places (even abandoned ones) and I always liked that old place--wishing I could've explored and photographed it before it was torn down. Despite what Season 1’s “The Maze” showed (from what I’ve read in the past, a lot of the destruction & graffiti was done by filming crew for the “Maze” episode)...from what I could find, The Blue Waters Hotel was officially condemned & abandoned only a couple years before “Maze” was filmed (around 1983). So, were the scenes of Bandi’s room in this episode actually filmed in part of the old hotel...or was it a set created for interior scenes? Just curious... 

Also, the scene of the explosion in the Blue Waters (from Bandi’s supposed boobie-trap bomb) seemed to show some old roof or over-hang right above the camera. I’m pretty sure they positioned the camera under the remains of the old diving board in the swimming pool area, to get the upward shot of the explosion on the outside of the side of the building...thus the old roof/over-hang seen in the shot is part of the old diving board base. 

But, even though maybe this wasn't the most memorable or famous episode of Season 2, I definitely thought it was a very "strong" and "supportive" one! I originally gave it a 7...if I could officially change it, it’d be an 8! 

 

Edited November 7, 2021 by ViceFanMan

[TylerDurden389]

I thought that actress was very pretty. That shot of her lifting her leg up while taking a bubble bath...

[wolfie1996]

On 7/21/2009 at 12:27 PM, Shill said:

I think I stand alone cos I gave this episode a 10. Has nostalgic reasons for me because I remember watching it so clearly when it was first broadcast back in the day. Like the way Tubbs undermines yet another Crockett woman. .

Jealous, you think?

Edited May 8, 2021 by wolfie1996

[RedDragon86]

13 hours ago, TylerDurden389 said:

I thought that actress was very pretty. That shot of her lifting her leg up while taking a bubble bath...

I agree, she was attractive and a good actress too.

[ViceFanMan]

48 minutes ago, RedDragon86 said:

I agree, she was attractive and a good actress too.

Good actress...but attractive only if you like the dead-pan, ice-queen type.  Sorry, but the majority of Crockett’s women were...strange & un-attractive. The only ones that were truly attractive were Gina & Theresa—and sadly she turned out to be a drug addict.  

[vicegirl85]

Possibly you may want to clarify that the only ones YOU find attractive were Gina and Theresa.

Each to his own.

 

[ViceFanMan]

Just now, vicegirl85 said:

Possibly you may want to clarify that the only ones YOU find attractive were Gina and Theresa.

Each to his own.

 

True...Gina & Theresa were the only attractive ones to me. However, from what I’ve read and heard from fans over the years, the main/general consensus is Sonny didn’t exactly have the best choice in most of his women.  I’ve hardly ever heard Gina was unattractive, and I’ve not read or heard too much that Danielle was attractive. But, she was more of a couple-day, if not poisonous, fling. 

[Robbie C.]

7 hours ago, vicegirl85 said:

Possibly you may want to clarify that the only ones YOU find attractive were Gina and Theresa.

Each to his own.

 

Agreed. Brenda was actually rather pretty, and I have a soft spot for Caitlin as well (and no, I don't care if others don't). Sonny's issues with women were more psychological (I mean, Barbara shows he had good taste at one time in his life at least...).

[RedDragon86]

13 hours ago, Robbie C. said:

Agreed. Brenda was actually rather pretty, and I have a soft spot for Caitlin as well (and no, I don't care if others don't). Sonny's issues with women were more psychological (I mean, Barbara shows he had good taste at one time in his life at least...).

I agree, Sonny was looking for a woman with character.

 

 

 

 

Edited May 9, 2021 by RedDragon86

[ViceFanMan]

5 minutes ago, RedDragon86 said:

Totally agree, Sonny was looking for a woman with character and not a barbie doll.

He had them on tap.

Agreed...Sonny wanted a woman with substance, but he never went about it very well. As much as I think the character of Crockett was so cool...I did not agree with his way of dealing with women (at least early on). Although I think he cared for them to an extent, he wanted the sex and the fun “Barbie & Ken” aspects. But when they became more serious, he suddenly didn’t want to commit. 

Women like Margaret in NY, Callie from “Definitely Miami”, or Danielle from France in this episode, etc...were flings. They weren’t serious relationships. But, again...Crockett didn’t approach those situations very intelligently either. There were definite signs that each of those ‘Medusas’ were “wrong” ones...and all of those were poisonous vipers that about got him killed! Early on, Sonny seriously struggled to stop thinking with the wrong head.  

Crockett also “dove” into other relationships without thinking much, or really getting to know them (such as Brenda or Caitlin). Later in the show, including when he was with Caitlin, I think he was trying to be better about committing to a relationship—marriage to her. But, again they barely knew each other or how their careers would affect each other. It was a “Barbie” like fantasy that they both discovered wasn’t reality. 

[RedDragon86]

1 minute ago, ViceFanMan said:

Agreed...Sonny wanted a woman with substance, but he never went about it very well. As much as I think the character of Crockett was so cool...I did not agree with his way of dealing with women (at least early on). Although I think he cared for them to an extent, he wanted the sex and the fun “Barbie & Ken” aspects. But when they became more serious, he suddenly didn’t want to commit. 

Women like Margaret in NY, Callie from “Definitely Miami”, or Danielle from France in this episode, etc...were flings. They weren’t serious relationships. But, again...Crockett didn’t approach those situations very intelligently either. There were definite signs that each of those ‘Medusas’ were “wrong” ones...and all of those were poisonous vipers that about got him killed! Early on, Sonny seriously struggled to stop thinking with the wrong head.  

Crockett also “dove” into other relationships without thinking much, or really getting to know them (such as Brenda or Caitlin). Later in the show, including when he was with Caitlin, I think he was trying to be better about committing to a relationship—marriage to her. But, again they barely knew each other or how their careers would affect each other. It was a “Barbie” like fantasy that they both discovered wasn’t reality. 

Ultimately VFM I believe that Sonny loved Caroline the most and the rest were filling the gap.

[ViceFanMan]

Just now, RedDragon86 said:

Ultimately VFM I believe that Sonny loved Caroline the most and the rest were filling the gap.

You could very well be right...or at least the “kind” of relationship/marriage he had with Caroline, as it was probably the closest to “real” and heartfelt of a relationship he ever got. However, there was something with Gina. There was a closeness & “connection” that I think could have been explored more. But, we can thank writers for that never happening.  

[Robbie C.]

7 minutes ago, RedDragon86 said:

Ultimately VFM I believe that Sonny loved Caroline the most and the rest were filling the gap.

Naw. I think he loved the idea of someone like Caroline. Sonny was always one for ideas and ideals. 

[RedDragon86]

58 minutes ago, Robbie C. said:

Naw. I think he loved the idea of someone like Caroline. Sonny was always one for ideas and ideals. 

 

Caroline was an idea? he had son with that woman.

 

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[ViceFanMan]

1 minute ago, RedDragon86 said:

Caroline was an idea? he had son with that woman. 

 

I think it was more of the “idea” of the type or kind of relationship/marriage he and Caroline had had, that Crockett wanted to have again. He just didn’t go about it very well. 

[RedDragon86]

9 hours ago, ViceFanMan said:

I think it was more of the “idea” of the type or kind of relationship/marriage he and Caroline had had, that Crockett wanted to have again. He just didn’t go about it very well. 

Then I don't understand.

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[ViceFanMan]

1 minute ago, RedDragon86 said:

Then I don't understand. Where I am from goodnight my friend.

Meaning, although Sonny still loved Caroline in a way, they weren’t in-love anymore. But, Crockett still wanted the type of relationship (eventual marriage) he’d had with Caroline at first...just not actually with Caroline anymore. He was looking for that same kind of relationship with another woman—at least later in the show. Early on he was trying to get over losing Caroline , and he fooled himself into thinking all he wanted was sex...but ultimately I think he still wanted something real. He just didn’t go about it very intelligently. Good night!  

[vicegirl85]

Yes, I think for Sonny, Caroline represented some kind of ideal.  I also think he had an ideal in his mind about how marriage and family life should be... but that ideal didn't really fit with the way he was made and the kind of life he wanted/ needed to live ("hooked on the action").  He couldn't/ didn't want to give up the excitement of undercover life to live a conventional family life.  IMO, that ultimately would have thrown a monkey wrench into a relationship with Gina as well as any of his other ladies.

I agree that he didn't choose well with most of his post-divorce relationships; he jumped in for the sexual attraction without getting to know the person.  But my earlier comment simply referred to the comments about the women's looks.  Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and I for one think it was good that the MV casting people didn't choose a collection of Barbie dolls for Crockett to be attracted to.  Most of those ladies also were dressed, made up, and hair styled by MV casting/costume/makeup crew to an appearance that fitted the show's needs.  Calling them unattractive is really unnecessary.   

[ViceFanMan]

42 minutes ago, vicegirl85 said:

Yes, I think for Sonny, Caroline represented some kind of ideal.  I also think he had an ideal in his mind about how marriage and family life should be... but that ideal didn't really fit with the way he was made and the kind of life he wanted/ needed to live ("hooked on the action").  He couldn't/ didn't want to give up the excitement of undercover life to live a conventional family life.  IMO, that ultimately would have thrown a monkey wrench into a relationship with Gina as well as any of his other ladies.

I agree that he didn't choose well with most of his post-divorce relationships; he jumped in for the sexual attraction without getting to know the person.  But my earlier comment simply referred to the comments about the women's looks.  Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and I for one think it was good that the MV casting people didn't choose a collection of Barbie dolls for Crockett to be attracted to.  Most of those ladies also were dressed, made up, and hair styled by MV casting/costume/makeup crew to an appearance that fitted the show's needs.  Calling them unattractive is really unnecessary.   

Early on I agree, Crockett was hooked on the action, the excitement & rush. That ultimately led to his & Caroline’s divorce. Later in the show I think he changed and/or was changing. He wasn’t ready to just give up his job...but it wasn’t “everything” to him anymore. It wasn’t as important...his son and trying to have a more serious & real relationship with a woman was becoming more important to him. Again, he still didn’t choose or go about it very well.

Gina did the same job and knew & understood its demands/hours/lifestyle/etc... Early on Crockett was more about the sex (trying to make himself forget about Caroline & his failed marriage, in my opinion), but there was still a closeness and connection/attraction with Gina than most or any of the other women. I’m not saying there wouldn’t have been problems with those two (obviously there were)...but ultimately they would have had a better chance by the end of the show. 

As for his other women/girlfriends...they were unattractive for various reasons, besides just the physical ones. Even Gina & Trudy had some horrendous hairdos & outfits by the costume & makeup people at times.  But, although Sonny’s women didn’t have to be “Barbie dolls” (I don’t view Gina or Trudy as such), most were...“odd”, annoying, and did not seem like a girl Crockett would be with at all! They seemed out-of-place, or miscast. However, maybe writers were trying to portray odd or poor choices by Crockett, so it wouldn’t be surprising when they didn’t last?? Nothing personal towards the actresses themselves...but whatever the case, for their little (usually 1-episode) parts on MV I still found most of them unattractive and irritating.