ViceFanMan Posted July 23, 2020 Report Share Posted July 23, 2020 1 hour ago, AndrewRemington said: Yes, a real life snuff film is pretty creepy! Sadly, I would think it has been done sometime, probably in a low-budget film. To me, since this just a fictional story it doesn’t faze me too much. I’ve seen way too much messed up stuff, haha. The ending is strange but I still really like it. I suppose Sonny just went for a little walk to cool off and then went back to the Testarossa. I wouldn’t want to leave my car like that in some sketchy alley, though! I guess I haven’t seen anyone dead, other than at wakes/funerals when their eyes are closed. That is pretty interesting! I always appreciate your reviews and comments, ViceFanMan! I almost always agree with what you say! Yeah, I’d think probably some seriously sick porno freaks (like Glantz) have done something like this episode. I think the whole really messed-up kind of porn, with the wolf’s-head dude killing a girl was considered creepy...not gruesome with gore, but just the whole idea was unnerving, especially for the time & what was typically allowed on television then. The ending with Sonny slapping Glantz around and then just walking off was kind of weird to me. I’d understand if he’d of just hauled off and sucker-punched him out...but what he did was strange. Yeah, then he just leaves his Testarossa sitting there in the alley, with some bizarre bag-lady & her odd “waddle” as well as the homeless guy who been used for the “bloody paint” on saran-wrap thing earlier—I was like, what are you doing?? I hope he locked it! I’ve not seen any dead bodies close up (only saw one once when I was 13, but it was quite a ways away & down an embankment in a river. Cops were “guiding” a couple bodies in the water to the bank of the river...they were mostly covered & I only saw legs and an arm. ), but I’ve read some things before about “dead eyes” & the difference between someone dead or just “high” or dazed. I always enjoy your comments & thoughts, too...we have similar thoughts or views about most of the episodes! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glades Posted July 23, 2020 Report Share Posted July 23, 2020 I only saw my pet's dead eyes when she died. The eyes looked completely different from one moment to the next. I can't describe it well. Most likely somehow "cloudy". But it was very clear to me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewRemington Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 There was quite a few funny puns throughout the MV series. I think they could have squeezed a good pun into this episode! Something like, “Why don’t we take another Glantz at that movie!” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie C. Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 Sonny slapping Glantz the way he did makes total sense: he was pimp-slapping Glantz the way a pimp slaps around a whore who misbehaves. He was sending the man a very clear message in a language he figured the guy would understand. Usually the first time it's just a slapping...after that it gets worse. VERY much worse. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerDurden389 Posted August 2, 2020 Report Share Posted August 2, 2020 (edited) Sonny leaving his car like that does seem pretty weird, as 1) it's expensive, and more importantly, 2) it's NOT HIS. It's owned by the police, lol. But I suppose writing-wise, the idea is this case has him both so shook up and angry that he honestly needs to "walk it off" so to speak. Otherwise, who knows what Sonny might do while behind the wheel. I don't mean purposely run over someone in a fit of rage, but his mind being so distracted he might hit someone by accident from not paying attention. Edited August 2, 2020 by TylerDurden389 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bren10 Posted August 2, 2020 Report Share Posted August 2, 2020 Don't forget the 4th wall explanation which is that it's just a cool shot to end on. It doesn't require explanation because that's not the kind of show MV was, even with Dick Wolf. Like Robbie said, the show was more concerned with images and tone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted August 2, 2020 Report Share Posted August 2, 2020 I never understood that huge speculation why he walked by his car and not drove off with it. No big deal, fellas! he was disgusted after he left Glantz and needed some air before doing anything else, so what? Did neither of you experience such a situation? I did and Crockett’s behaviour did not bother me for a second. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViceFanMan Posted August 2, 2020 Report Share Posted August 2, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, TylerDurden389 said: Sonny leaving his car like that does seem pretty weird, as 1) it's expensive, and more importantly, 2) it's NOT HIS. It's owned by the police, lol. But I suppose writing-wise, the idea is this case has him both so shook up and angry that he honestly needs to "walk it off" so to speak. Otherwise, who knows what Sonny might do while behind the wheel. I don't mean purposely run over someone in a fit of rage, but his mind being so distracted he might hit someone by accident from not paying attention. Good points! The car was not Crockett’s, although he seemed to pretty much consider it his own, lol. The part of town he was in, in a back-alley, and with druggie homeless people wandering all around no-less...it was weird & dumb to have him walk off and leave the car like that! I understand being angry & shook up—but gee, welcome to his job & this wasn’t the first time a “bad guy” got away from him. You don’t leave an insanely expensive Ferrari (that technically doesn’t belong to you) sit there and “walk” away in an area where you yourself might get mugged, knifed, attacked, etc...let alone the car getting stolen or destroyed. Crockett was angry & upset, but he hadn’t lost his mind (that came later ). MV was primarily about colors, music, and fashion over plot-depth, true...but (although this is one of my favorite episodes) writing-wise this was still a strange & bizarre ending. Edited August 2, 2020 by ViceFanMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bren10 Posted August 2, 2020 Report Share Posted August 2, 2020 If you stop and look at it that scene could easily be an 80s poster, album cover, or a cologne ad. It could've been the back cover of one of DJ's album's even. I think that's the kind of thing they were going for. And my driver's handbook says not to drive if you are upset etc. So maybe Sonny's just being a responsible citizen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViceFanMan Posted August 2, 2020 Report Share Posted August 2, 2020 25 minutes ago, Bren10 said: If you stop and look at it that scene could easily be an 80s poster, album cover, or a cologne ad. It could've been the back cover of one of DJ's album's even. I think that's the kind of thing they were going for. And my driver's handbook says not to drive if you are upset etc. So maybe Sonny's just being a responsible citizen. Lol...I agree, it was sort of 80s style for an ad or commercial! However, I think they were trying to go for a more “serious” scene & it just came off strange...even for MV. If Crockett couldn’t drive every time he was upset or angry, he should have given up the Ferrari and just had a taxi take him everywhere. Frustration & anger were par-for-the-course in his career. I totally understand “why” he was angry, it was just the “way” they had him handle that one scene, that was...odd. But, you’re right...if Don Johnson would’ve used it for a music video for one of his songs, or if it was used for a commercial of some cologne or fast car it would have seemed more “in-place”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDragon86 Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, ViceFanMan said: Lol...I agree, it was sort of 80s style for an ad or commercial! However, I think they were trying to go for a more “serious” scene & it just came off strange...even for MV. If Crockett couldn’t drive every time he was upset or angry, he should have given up the Ferrari and just had a taxi take him everywhere. Frustration & anger were par-for-the-course in his career. I totally understand “why” he was angry, it was just the “way” they had him handle that one scene, that was...odd. But, you’re right...if Don Johnson would’ve used it for a music video for one of his songs, or if it was used for a commercial of some cologne or fast car it would have seemed more “in-place”. The next day Castillo says to Sonny "That's two Ferrari's you have either lost or gotten destroyed now, the state won't be giving you another Sonny" "Stick with the Chevy Truck from now on" Edited August 3, 2020 by RedDragon86 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViceFanMan Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 59 minutes ago, RedDragon86 said: The next day Castillo says to Sonny "That's two Ferrari's you have either lost or gotten destroyed now, the state won't be giving you another Sonny" "Stick with the Chevy Truck from now on" Lol! But, he’d probably get “mad”, storm off, and ditch the truck somewhere on purpose—so, maybe they’d hire Izzy to drive Crockett around in his junker limo, or we’re back to the taxi option. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewRemington Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 On 8/2/2020 at 1:56 PM, Tom said: I never understood that huge speculation why he walked by his car and not drove off with it. No big deal, fellas! he was disgusted after he left Glantz and needed some air before doing anything else, so what? Did neither of you experience such a situation? I did and Crockett’s behaviour did not bother me for a second. I agree. I was a bit puzzled by it before, but there really is no need to over-analyze. It kind of reminds me of when someone says something vague and it really gets over-analyzed and blown out of proportion. LOL, no big deal! Great episode, regardless! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViceFanMan Posted August 4, 2020 Report Share Posted August 4, 2020 (edited) 21 hours ago, AndrewRemington said: I agree. I was a bit puzzled by it before, but there really is no need to over-analyze. It kind of reminds me of when someone says something vague and it really gets over-analyzed and blown out of proportion. LOL, no big deal! Great episode, regardless! Rather than saying it’s a “huge big deal”...I think it was just something “noticeable”...something the majority of fans (especially of this episode) have just noticed was strange or “didn’t quite fit”. As for over-analyzing...if we’re going to be honest the majority of the episodes have been over-analyzed, multiple times over—for fun, LOL! Edited August 4, 2020 by ViceFanMan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDragon86 Posted August 4, 2020 Report Share Posted August 4, 2020 21 minutes ago, ViceFanMan said: Rather than saying it’s a “huge big deal”...I think it was just something “noticeable”...something the majority of fans (especially of this episode) have just noticed was strange or “didn’t quite fit”. As for over-analyzing...if we’re going to be honest the majority of the episodes have been over-analyzed, multiple times over—for fun, LOL! He should have did exactly what he did at the end of "The Good Collar" feeling down and angry at Archie death, he calmly walks to his car and drives off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bren10 Posted August 4, 2020 Report Share Posted August 4, 2020 (edited) Then that would make it just like the end of that episode and any number of others and why do that instead of being unique? The fact that we're still talking about it gives it creative credence imo. Plus the emotion is different than The Good Collar. This is anger, not depression, and Sonny feels the need to walk it off before he gets behind the wheel. Edited August 4, 2020 by Bren10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViceFanMan Posted August 4, 2020 Report Share Posted August 4, 2020 (edited) 46 minutes ago, RedDragon86 said: He should have did exactly what he did at the end of "The Good Collar" feeling down and angry at Archie death, he calmly walks to his car and drives off. I agree—he could have been mad, but got in his car & got the heck out of there...probably never to return again because of his disgust of the situation—unless he had to for a different case. It’s still weird he leaves the Ferrari sit there and just walks-storms around in a druggie/mugger/psycho-filled alley. Angry or not, it just did not seem like something that Crockett would have done. Edited August 4, 2020 by ViceFanMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie C. Posted August 4, 2020 Report Share Posted August 4, 2020 10 minutes ago, Bren10 said: Then that would make it just like the end of that episode and any number of others and why do that instead of being unique? The fact that we're still talking about it gives it creative credence imo. Plus the emotion is different than The Good Collar. This is anger, not depression, and Sonny feels the need to walk it off before he gets behind the wheel. It also leaves you wondering...what if when he walked back Glantz was still there? Walking away is a classic Vice ending that isn’t an ending. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViceFanMan Posted August 4, 2020 Report Share Posted August 4, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Robbie C. said: It also leaves you wondering...what if when he walked back Glantz was still there? Walking away is a classic Vice ending that isn’t an ending. Well, Glantz was probably still inside the building—probably looking at his own blood to use in his next saranwrap project. I agree, though, the “walking away” was sometimes a good dramatic MV open-ending...but for whatever reason/s, it just didn’t work for this episode. It definitely wasn’t the right “place” to walk around in, especially dressed like the proverbial million-dollars...and his car was right there. It wasn’t like he had to walk a few blocks to a parking garage. Edited August 4, 2020 by ViceFanMan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDragon86 Posted August 4, 2020 Report Share Posted August 4, 2020 (edited) If it's anger, naturally you speed off. Edited August 4, 2020 by RedDragon86 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViceFanMan Posted August 4, 2020 Report Share Posted August 4, 2020 1 minute ago, RedDragon86 said: If it's anger, naturally you speed off. Exactly...and Crockett knew how to handle his car, in anger & speeding off. I still say Crockett would have wanted to get out of & away from there as fast as possible...instead of continuing to walk around in “it”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDragon86 Posted August 4, 2020 Report Share Posted August 4, 2020 1 minute ago, ViceFanMan said: Exactly...and Crockett knew how to handle his car, in anger & speeding off. I still say Crockett would have wanted to get out of & away from there as fast as possible...instead of continuing to walk around in “it”. Exactly you wouldn't stick around in deep thought. Just get the hell out of there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViceFanMan Posted August 4, 2020 Report Share Posted August 4, 2020 Just now, RedDragon86 said: Exactly you wouldn't stick around in deep thought. Just get the hell out of there. 100% agree! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bren10 Posted August 4, 2020 Report Share Posted August 4, 2020 (edited) Why does he have to run? He just beat the crap out of someone and is on an adrenaline high. I've been in fights that I've won and my first instinct wasn't to get in the car and speed off afterwards. Maybe he doesn't care what environment he's in and maybe even hopes someone else starts something. Plus he's armed with 2 pistols. He's in I don't give a damn mode. If you haven't been in a similar situation it may be difficult to understand. Edited August 4, 2020 by Bren10 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie C. Posted August 4, 2020 Report Share Posted August 4, 2020 33 minutes ago, Bren10 said: Why does he have to run? He just beat the crap out of someone and is on an adrenaline high. I've been in fights that I've won and my first instinct wasn't to get in the car and speed off afterwards. Maybe he doesn't care what environment he's in and maybe even hopes someone else starts something. Plus he's armed with 2 pistols. He's in I don't give a damn mode. If you haven't been in a similar situation it may be difficult to understand. Agree. I think assumptions Sonny would have just left MIGHT work if this was the first season, but it’s not. Just because you want the hero to ride off on his white horse doesn’t mean he will or does. Sometimes he goes back and kicks the bad guy in the nuts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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