cybercop106 Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Of course MV wasn't always realistic, but it WAS stylistic! That being said, I just wondered if the small things that were overlooked or omitted bother other fans like they do me. For instance, they spent so much money on the vehicles and equipment and other props, but half the time the squibs either weren't used or they didn't work. I constantly am annoyed when people get shot and, especially on the close-ups, there's no blood or visible bullet wound. Now I know you can't always see a bullet strike, particularly through layered clothing, but I'm talking about the pastel or white shirt or t-shirt deal, where there's no blood. Were they just saving a few bucks or what?! I'll post a couple other similar observations IF this thread takes off and no-one else brings those issues up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viceman Cometh Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Were they just saving a few bucks or what?!They were following standards and practices (read: network censors) of the period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Ferrariman Posted May 21, 2009 Administrators Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 As a car guy it always bothered me that Sonny left the Daytona parked in the worst neighborhoods in Miami with the top down and it never got stolen! That and Rico always getting 7 to 10 shots out of his little 5 shot revolver. At least we saw Sonny reload. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maynard Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Those that come to mind first:Traveling through town (Miami, especially) at high rates of speed with no light or siren.Anyone who had driven through the Golden Glades interchange at rush hour knows what I'm talking about.After driving with the top down, Sonny still has perfect hair.Deep undercover, but they show up at crime scenes in broad daylight wearing Vice ID.Tubb's 7-8 shot snub 38It hardly ever rains, and they very rarely sweat.Lack of outside location shooting in the later seasons.But, in spite of these things, after all its television...As far as the surveillance equipment, it probably wasn't that reliable at that time. Anything 800 megahertz was probably unheard of in the 80's, things in the 49 MH range picked up a lot of interference.(From a former sound man)Because Mann used real police officers, I loved the realism of the takedown scenes, the music was awesome,cinematography better than most movies today... and MV still beats the heck out of anything on TV in the last 25 years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COOPER&BURNETT Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 When we were on the "other" site, we counted, and found that Crockett killed 126 people in five seasons of MIAMI VICE (including when he was Burnett, but NOT including his tour in Vietnam), and yet he wasn't given a desk job, or paid administrative leave....after killing 126 people!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COOPER&BURNETT Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 They could get into fights, get punched in the face, and yet no swelling or marks (very rarely did we see swelling or marks).They could smack someone around, and yet there were no citizen or legal complaints.Bad guys would fire automatic weapons and machine guns at them, shooting 100 rounds of bullets, yet not hit them, but Crockett and Tubbs shot every one of them. They could narrowly escape something exploding, or fall into the ocean, yet thier clothes were in absolutely perfect shape. Even ironed! Wouldn't trade MIAMI VICE for the world! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony D. Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 I mentioned about how an automatic weapon could miss & C&T always hit the man with one or 2 shots. Someone said auto weapons are not as accurate & weren't used as accurately as C&T with their target practise! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COOPER&BURNETT Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 I remember seeing a video that showed real and make believe stuff regarding guns in reality, and in TV and Movies.They sprayed a whole area that had targets with full automatic machine gun fire, and missed most of the targets.But when a marksman with a rifle, or pistol took quick, well aimed shots at the targets, he hit all, or nearly all the targets.Guess now that I think about it, I guess it IS possible.(Also, bullets won't ignite or explode a gas can full of gasoline according to the video.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shill Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 When we were on the "other" site' date=' we counted, and found that Crockett killed 126 people in five seasons of MIAMI VICE (including when he was Burnett, but NOT including his tour in Vietnam), and yet he wasn't given a desk job, or paid administrative leave....after killing 126 people!!![/quote']I think Coop is auditioning for a job at IAD here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COOPER&BURNETT Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 I think Coop is auditioning for a job at IAD here No sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Ferrariman Posted May 22, 2009 Administrators Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 (Also' date=' bullets won't ignite or explode a gas can full of gasoline according to the video.)[/quote']True, an almost empty can would actually be more dangerous because the fumes are more volatile. Same goes for car explosions. I've been putting out car fires for 28 years and haven't seen one explode yet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators timm525 Posted May 22, 2009 Administrators Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Auto vs Semi AutoAuto = spray and pray methodSemi auto = better aimed shots method Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COOPER&BURNETT Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 The video was sold at gun shows I attended.They tried everything in the book according to movies and TV, and actually tried them in all sorts of conditions. The Hollywood thinking is that the bullet goes thu the gas tank, makes a spark as the bullet's metal scapes the tanks metal, thus making the tank explode. As FERRARIMAN just said, his experience has shown (just like the video) the fuller the tank, the even more likely that there is not enough air in the tank to make it explode. Even a more empty tank with gas fumes most likely won't do it.Another thing the video tried was to see if a 357, or 44 magnum would crack a solid engine block.If memory serves me correct, it doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators timm525 Posted May 22, 2009 Administrators Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 The Mythbusters have had some good eps. on guns and myths.The Jaws exploding air tank.Shooting someone under water.Shooting padlocks and door locks.etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercop106 Posted May 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Yeah C&B, the full auto and other random shooting hardly ever seemed to hit bystanders..... UNLESS they were introduced characters and part of the plot advancement was they take one for the team....... And the 126 kills non-withstanding, Sonny would have absolutely been out of police work after the Mirror Image, Hostile Takeover, Redemption In Blood situation!! Maynard, that was always something that got me too, when they were so high profile in public showing up on scene..... as if the bad guys don't watch the news or gawk at crime scenes......... And I always laughed when Crockett took off at high speed with no emergency lights or siren and blasted through Miami streets at all hours with very little or no traffic to save the day by getting across town in a couple minutes. But Viceman, sometimes they showed the blood and injuries and sometimes not...... within the same episode...... from the first through fifth seasons! There was no consistency, so I wouldn't think the censors were much involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maynard Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Even without the blood, we forget that this was a lot of violence for the times. Mann had such creative ways for them to die. Like Calderone in the pool, and the guy who gets blown away in the recliner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COOPER&BURNETT Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 I think the two bloodiest were the guy who gets shot with a shotgun in NOBODY LIVES FOREVER who slides across the floor, leaving a bloody streak, and the guy who gets shot in SONS AND LOVERS, and leaves a blood smear on the wall (I think Crockett shoots the guy with a sawed off shotgun) as he falls down.Can anyone think of anything bloodier than those two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agent 47 Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 The only thing that bugged me on MV was El Gato's awful fashion sense, I would definitely give him and his minions "the worst dressed drug dealer" award for he show.P.S. Coop, don't forget all the blood in the elevator where Crockett and Tubbs found Jimmy Borgia in The Prodigal Son, that was messy as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maynard Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 I don't remember who El gato was or which ep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COOPER&BURNETT Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 P.S. Coop' date=' don't forget all the blood in the elevator where Crockett and Tubbs found Jimmy Borgia in The Prodigal Son, that was messy as well.[/quote']Good save! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COOPER&BURNETT Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 The only thing that bugged me on MV was El Gato's awful fashion sense' date=' I would definitely give him and his minions "the worst dressed drug dealer" award for he show.[/quote']What the heck was that that he wore? Zebra jackets!?? Gotta be the worst dresser. He should have offed himself with his pistol when he had the chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neworder Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 The only thing that bugged me on MV was El Gato's awful fashion sense' date=' I would definitely give him and his minions "the worst dressed drug dealer" award for he show.[/quote']Agreed.And also Tubbs' fashion in Season 5 was atrocious. Other things that bug me - re-use of footage, not an issue in seasons 1-3, almost a joke in some s4-5 episodes, same testarossa footage over and over, then putting the stinger in baseballs of death was yet more stupidity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agent 47 Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 I don't remember who El gato was or which ep.It was on season five, when Crockett lost his memory and became a hitman, when his memory came back, remember the guy who got killed by the tiger at the end of the episode he got his memory back? The little fat, horribly dressed guy played by Jon Polito? That's him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agent 47 Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 What the heck was that that he wore? Zebra jackets!?? Gotta be the worst dresser. He should have offed himself with his pistol when he had the chance.I wonder if the tiger got indigestion off that fatso? Think of the cholesterol!That tiger needed some alkaselzer after all that fat and awful clothing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COOPER&BURNETT Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 I wonder if the tiger got indigestion off that fatso? Think of the cholesterol!That tiger needed some alkaselzer after all that fat and awful clothing!What was it? A panther? I can't remember.All I know is that the Panther was better dressed than him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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