Tom Posted March 26, 2021 Report Share Posted March 26, 2021 vor 47 Minuten schrieb wolfie1996: Still looking for the "horse farm"? Santa Clarita, California, USA (stock footage) (Establishing stock footage- horse ranch) we´re looking for the real one. The establishing shot was most likely from California, but I don´t see how the link from IMDB could help as we cannot scan thousands of movies with a horse farm stock footage .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie1996 Posted March 26, 2021 Report Share Posted March 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Tom said: we´re looking for the real one. The establishing shot was most likely from California, but I don´t see how the link from IMDB could help as we cannot scan thousands of movies with a horse farm stock footage ... Very much doubt if you'll find it then Tom. I expect these big places are much of a muchness, they'll usually have the same facilities etc. Just been rewatching that one tonight actually. It had horses, cats and practising on a shooting range in it, what can I say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airtommy Posted March 26, 2021 Report Share Posted March 26, 2021 (edited) Incredible find! I had looked for this location at the Universal Studios backlot but nothing matched, so I gave up on the idea it was a movie set. It turns out the New York set was destroyed in 1990. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Studios_Hollywood#Backlot_fires Edited March 26, 2021 by airtommy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airtommy Posted March 26, 2021 Report Share Posted March 26, 2021 (edited) On 2/28/2019 at 11:38 AM, airtommy said: I had always assumed that we'd never find the location of the interior scenes at the Fein Gallery, but then I noticed that we can see out the door in the background. Several times a car drives by. That rules out Lincoln Road. I suspect this was a real art gallery. I zoomed in on the door and enlarged it. Maybe someone with Blu Ray can get better clarity. Quayside is a possibility. Doesn't this look like a tree on a big green lawn? 1160 Kane Concourse kind of works, but there were no big shade trees across the street. Edited March 27, 2021 by airtommy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 vor 9 Stunden schrieb airtommy: Doesn't this look like a tree on a big green lawn? 1160 Kane Concourse kind of works, but there were no big shade trees across the street. As I posted pictures earlier, I am convinced that the background is a two way street with a green median AND a very green (bushy, trees, ...) overhang behind it. THAT combination is very unique and should lead to very few if not only one possibility left (most sections even of Biscayne Bvd or similar big streets do not have green medians), but I could not find anything, neither at Kane Concourse nor at any other typical gallery location at such a street. I also searched at all typical locations around Fort Lauderdale, as the usage of FL executive airport instead of Opa Locka Airport indicates another location use in that area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daytona365 Posted March 31, 2021 Report Share Posted March 31, 2021 (edited) On 3/27/2021 at 12:37 AM, airtommy said: Incredible find! I had looked for this location at the Universal Studios backlot but nothing matched, so I gave up on the idea it was a movie set. I 'obtained' a better resolution copy of the Kojak episode and watched the scene frame by frame. There are street signs that put the scene at the corner of 5th Ave and 52nd, which in reality looks totally different. That was a first strong indicator that this must have been filmed on a studio lot. Another one is the fact that said street signs were standing on large base plates instead of being cast in concrete. Further, the theatre entrance which is visible at the beginning of the scene in Kojak looked kind of familiar from many movies and also from having done the studio tour myself in the late 90s. Hence I googled for pictures of Universal Backlot New York Street, that's where I found stills from Dirty Harry and some other photos which confirmed the location. Sad it was destroyed by the fire. Fein Gallery location: Here's another good shot I found today: Edited March 31, 2021 by daytona365 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted March 31, 2021 Report Share Posted March 31, 2021 (edited) vor 55 Minuten schrieb daytona365: I 'obtained' a better resolution copy of the Kojak episode and watched the scene frame by frame. There are street signs that put the scene at the corner of 5th Ave and 52nd, which in reality looks totally different. That was a first strong indicator that this must have been filmed on a studio lot. Another one is the fact that said street signs were standing on large base plates instead of being cast in concrete. Further, the theatre canopy that is visible at the beginning of the scene in Kojak looked kind of familiar from many movies and also from having done the studio tour myself in the late 90s. Hence I googled for pictures of Universal Backlot New York Street, that's where I found stills from Dirty Harry and some other photos which confirmed the location. Sad it was destroyed by the fire. Fein Gallery location: Here's another good shot I found today: Another example of your great systematic detective work! You even have produced the smoking gun with those studio lot photos with the Fein Gallery front visible! Impressive and thanks for saving us lots of time chasing a "pink cangaroo" on NYC streets! If you now could do us also a favor and find the actual gallery interior used in Miami, that would even save more time! Edited March 31, 2021 by Tom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daytona365 Posted March 31, 2021 Report Share Posted March 31, 2021 all reduced to rubble: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted March 31, 2021 Report Share Posted March 31, 2021 Gerade eben schrieb daytona365: all reduced to rubble: Yeah, Universal seems to be an arsonist or at least very sloppy company. They lost Tim Truman´s master, they lost Joh Petersen´s by fire, they lost millions of archive copies incl. Miami Vice by fire... Oh I forgot to mention: if the Fein Gallery interior is too tough to find for you, you can also opt-in for either one of the following cases asl alternatives: Ballard house in To have and to hold Borrasca carpentry Art gallery in Miami Squeeze That should keep you busy for a while 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted March 31, 2021 Report Share Posted March 31, 2021 @daytona365I hope the sad emoji is for the Universal fire history, not for the location options I mentioned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airtommy Posted April 18, 2021 Report Share Posted April 18, 2021 (edited) When Thurmond and Faber are walking into the horse stall, a truck drives by. Can anybody with HD read the writing on the side? Edited April 18, 2021 by airtommy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted April 18, 2021 Report Share Posted April 18, 2021 vor 4 Stunden schrieb airtommy: When Thurmond and Faber are walking into the horse stall, a truck drives by. Can anybody with HD read the writing on the side? Good idea! Why haven‘t I noticed that before? I will take a look at the Koch BluRay. Best resolution. If not readable there then it is not readable anywhere else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted April 18, 2021 Report Share Posted April 18, 2021 Just checked the scenes with the Koch BluRays. The writing on the horse truck would be perfectly readable due to sharpness when it was not moving. I let it run in all speeds, also frame by frame and it was too blurry in stills and too fast in motion to read. But there is also an emblem on the horse trailer that has the same look as the car pulling it, thus maybe this emblem can be recognized? When Thurmond and Faber go near the horses, the names "Plebeyo Jr." and "Plebeyo" could be read on the stables. Maybe these horse names can be tracked? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted April 18, 2021 Report Share Posted April 18, 2021 (edited) UPDATE; @airtommy With a horse database I was able to track the owner and the breeder of the horse "Plebeyo" and it was a Columbian called Dee Torcise who also was on the Tijodee Farm in Florida (also known as Paso Fino Horse Farm). Its owner was Joseph Torcise who lived in Dade County until he moved to Tampa a few years before he died in 2013. I think we have a trail now. I found a few Paso Fino Farms in Ocala, but once we find one in Dade County that should be it. https://www.allbreedpedigree.com/plebeyo https://www.pfha.org/index.php/association-2/pfha-regions/florida/ https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/herald/obituary.aspx?n=joseph-torcise&pid=163374559 Edited April 18, 2021 by Tom 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crockettt Posted April 18, 2021 Report Share Posted April 18, 2021 (edited) @Tom @airtommy What do you think about it? 28200 SW 182nd Ave, Homestead, FL https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/28200-SW-182nd-Ave_Homestead_FL_33030_M63883-68677#photo12 Edited April 18, 2021 by Crockettt 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted April 18, 2021 Report Share Posted April 18, 2021 vor 2 Minuten schrieb Crockettt: @Tom @airtommy What do you think about it? 28200 SW 182nd Ave, Homestead, FL Does not look right on first glance. The stables in the episode are in a 90 degree angle to the palm alley access road. But I´ll look into it in more detail, although I think I have checked this farm last year. We need a historic aerial 1986 but it does not work in this area, only the 1980 one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted April 18, 2021 Report Share Posted April 18, 2021 (edited) vor 29 Minuten schrieb Crockettt: @Tom @airtommy What do you think about it? 28200 SW 182nd Ave, Homestead, FL on second look I think you found it! There are some smaller differences (I made a red mark where it looks like the road would makes a turn on TV and the round horse training circle has been moved), but the palm alley is straight on TV, the stables look right with the same openings AND the best clue is the brick stone BBQ place on exactly the same spot compared to the stables than in the episode! And we can left of it see the remains of the roof that was there in the episode! See my pics below. If the BBQ and the roof next to it and the stables is a coincidence, then I will stop believing in statistics.... We need a historic aerial of that place to be sure! P.S: I haven´t found the exact address of the Tijodee farm yet but the brothers had addresses in Homestead. Edited April 18, 2021 by Tom 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted April 18, 2021 Report Share Posted April 18, 2021 (edited) Congrats @CrocketttYOU FOUND FABER´S HORSE FARM! 28200 SW 182 Ave, Homestead The historic aerial of 1986 shows the BBQ and the roof next to it. Everything fits. Case closed after 30+ years! the farm was built in 1984, but is abandoned now and was for sale. @miamijimf@daytona365@airtommy@Matt5 Edited April 18, 2021 by Tom 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadrian Posted April 18, 2021 Report Share Posted April 18, 2021 So weird: I was listening to the music from this episode earlier today and thinking that horse farm has got to be found soon. I guess I’ve been eating too much peanut butter. Congrats @Crockettt You will go down in the anals of location hunting for this one! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted April 18, 2021 Report Share Posted April 18, 2021 vor 14 Minuten schrieb Dadrian: So weird: I was listening to the music from this episode earlier today and thinking that horse farm has got to be found soon. I guess I’ve been eating too much peanut butter. Congrats @Crockettt You will go down in the anals of location hunting for this one! You gotta think more often about unknown locations! Then we´ll find the remaining ones faster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie1996 Posted April 18, 2021 Report Share Posted April 18, 2021 9 minutes ago, Tom said: You will go down in the anals of location hunting for this one! Dadrian!!!!! Behave! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted April 18, 2021 Report Share Posted April 18, 2021 Gerade eben schrieb wolfie1996: Dadrian!!!!! Behave! Wolfie behave! Dadrian wrote this, not me! The quotation is wrong, but I agree with the anals 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadrian Posted April 18, 2021 Report Share Posted April 18, 2021 (edited) To be sure, it’s an Izzy reference from “Made for Each Other” when they steal the cement truck. Edited April 18, 2021 by Dadrian 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie1996 Posted April 18, 2021 Report Share Posted April 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, Tom said: Wolfie behave! Dadrian wrote this, not me! The quotation is wrong, but I agree with the anals Sorry Tom :)Mind you I read that sentence twice before it registered! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crockettt Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 Thank You guys! Glad I could help to solve this case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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