Don speaks about MV Reboot and Tubbs


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On further thought, forget it.

I'll just be grateful the show ever existed in the first place.

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15 hours ago, Augusta said:

But I really would NOT like to risk seeing them appear in a "new" Miami Vice, and risk getting me all nostalgic and super-picky and super-critical about what I'm watching. 

100 % agreed

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Let’s see what happens next year. Nash bridges isn’t getting picked up for a full season so Don’s schedule would be possibly free to shoot a MV reboot. 

I have to say, Don could of just put it to bed and said no but he still seems open to the project. Don’s confirmed NBC came to him and they had talks which indicate NBC as a company, are somewhat interested in reviving there intellectual property and possibly using that as a marketing strategy to entice viewers to sign up to NBC Peacock. 
Im not sure where things stand with Anthony Yerkovich or Michael Mann. Given Mann is about to release Tokyo Vice (based on the Yakuza - Rising Sun Of Death) then I can imagine he would want full focus on that project. 

If there is a reboot with a young cast, I’m not really interested. If we do the 6 episode mini series idea route which I created with the use of original Vice actors with the tone of the 2006 Vice movie look, that combo I’m into. 

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If they were going to reboot the show Sonny should be the new lieutenant at Metro Dade and Ricardo is in charge of Metro Vice and they work together on cases.

In today's work the show would focus on "The Cartel" 

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Don & Cheech we’re guests on “The Talk” the other day pitching the Nash Bridges movie. He was asked about a Vice reboot. Don said he would be interested but doesn’t think Vice would work as well as Nash. Mostly because Vice was too time specific. I agree, leave it alone.

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2 hours ago, RedDragon86 said:

If they were going to reboot the show Sonny should be the new lieutenant at Metro Dade and Ricardo is in charge of Metro Vice and they work together on cases.

In today's work the show would focus on "The Cartel" 

And you'd have to spend half of each episode with a painfully diverse cast reminding each other "we don't do things that way anymore." Anyone who saw the premier of Law & Order: Organized Crime knows what I'm talking about. And I don't think a network show could really deal with major cartels in any meaningful way; at least not the way they operate now. Given they'd be local PD, they'd likely end up like the two cops in End of Watch.

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Crockett can't be a MDPD lieutenant because he retired in Freefall. for some reason i would see him as a kind of Castillo bis, but not in the police. as a retired CIA agent that had gone to the golden triangle, giving wise advices. or a retired infltrated narcotics. the kind of dude that travelled a lot and saw lot of stuff, and can give good advices. regarding Tubbs i emitted a strange idea i conceed once, but i think he could be also a guy giving good advices, and who saw lot of stuff. i would see him as a gay club owner. why such strange thing, because first it would seriously cut with the old MV which would be a good thing IMO. and second why not. it could be a kind of mysterious gay, the kind that is so sly that we don't even know if he's really gay you know. when i first emitted that idea years ago i got a bunch of confused smileys lol. but if you want a new MV to suceed, you need to do something completely new. I see Crockett as a low profile. living in a dusty apartment, or a shack in the Glades. and sometimes driving a super fancy classic car. adding to the guy mystery. a 300SL gullwing or something

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33 minutes ago, Robbie C. said:

And you'd have to spend half of each episode with a painfully diverse cast reminding each other "we don't do things that way anymore." Anyone who saw the premier of Law & Order: Organized Crime knows what I'm talking about. And I don't think a network show could really deal with major cartels in any meaningful way; at least not the way they operate now. Given they'd be local PD, they'd likely end up like the two cops in End of Watch.

yes and no. yes the colombians kingpins can't put a foot in the USA nowadays without being caught in 5 min time. thus you can't base the series on cocaïne like it was in the 80s. but no the cocaïne trafic hasn't changed much. the only difference is that you don't have big kingpins in Colombia anymore, but more a bunch of gangs, whose bosses have generally a low lifespan. but the trafic is still going (very) strong. i don't have the exact numbers, but i think there hadn't been as much coke flooding the streets of the USA than nowadays

there's still lot of room for drugs of all sorts in a reboot though

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What I'm saying is the level of violence associated with major cartel activity has changed so much since Vice's time it wouldn't play well on TV. And the volume of trafficking has increased exponentially since the '80s as well, and diversified in the bargain. And given the political sensitivities around programming these days you'd see the Vice squad chasing poor white Southern meth cooks most days, or maybe the token generic Eastern European type. I stand by my contention that a reboot of any kind is a stupid idea. It might have a home on one of the streaming services, but if they ever get around to doing a proper version of Don Winslow's cartel trilogy in that market Vice would be pushed aside pretty quickly.

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Miami Vice instead Ferris Bueller, and i can die happy this day.

By the way...why in hell...Universal needs Vin Diesel if Don is kinda interested in do that?

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9 hours ago, Miami Beau said:

Let’s see what happens next year. Nash bridges isn’t getting picked up for a full season so Don’s schedule would be possibly free to shoot a MV reboot. 

I have to say, Don could of just put it to bed and said no but he still seems open to the project. Don’s confirmed NBC came to him and they had talks which indicate NBC as a company, are somewhat interested in reviving there intellectual property and possibly using that as a marketing strategy to entice viewers to sign up to NBC Peacock. 
Im not sure where things stand with Anthony Yerkovich or Michael Mann. Given Mann is about to release Tokyo Vice (based on the Yakuza - Rising Sun Of Death) then I can imagine he would want full focus on that project. 

If there is a reboot with a young cast, I’m not really interested. If we do the 6 episode mini series idea route which I created with the use of original Vice actors with the tone of the 2006 Vice movie look, that combo I’m into. 

Dude, I love those trailers; truely amazing stuff. It is so well made, that people actually think that it is a real mini series. I am curious which footage you have used of DJ; I see some of Alex in Venice, Vengeance; a love story and maybe Blood and Oil? Anything I am missing? 

 

really stellar stuff, must have taken you a lot of time to make it, but it really shows. 

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1 hour ago, Robbie C. said:

What I'm saying is the level of violence associated with major cartel activity has changed so much since Vice's time it wouldn't play well on TV. And the volume of trafficking has increased exponentially since the '80s as well, and diversified in the bargain. And given the political sensitivities around programming these days you'd see the Vice squad chasing poor white Southern meth cooks most days, or maybe the token generic Eastern European type. I stand by my contention that a reboot of any kind is a stupid idea. It might have a home on one of the streaming services, but if they ever get around to doing a proper version of Don Winslow's cartel trilogy in that market Vice would be pushed aside pretty quickly.

Interesting. I follow Don Winslow on Twitter, even though I have never read any of his works. But the reason I follow him, is that he is a huge Miami Vice fan. Could he not start working on a reboot? He knows the material really well and he is an acclaimed writer. 

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19 hours ago, jpaul1 said:

Crockett can't be a MDPD lieutenant because he retired in Freefall. for some reason i would see him as a kind of Castillo bis, but not in the police. as a retired CIA agent that had gone to the golden triangle, giving wise advices. or a retired infltrated narcotics. the kind of dude that travelled a lot and saw lot of stuff, and can give good advices. regarding Tubbs i emitted a strange idea i conceed once, but i think he could be also a guy giving good advices, and who saw lot of stuff. i would see him as a gay club owner. why such strange thing, because first it would seriously cut with the old MV which would be a good thing IMO. and second why not. it could be a kind of mysterious gay, the kind that is so sly that we don't even know if he's really gay you know. when i first emitted that idea years ago i got a bunch of confused smileys lol. but if you want a new MV to suceed, you need to do something completely new. I see Crockett as a low profile. living in a dusty apartment, or a shack in the Glades. and sometimes driving a super fancy classic car. adding to the guy mystery. a 300SL gullwing or something

But would anybody care about the accuracy of the story over 30 years later?

Even during the series sometimes certain things were far fetched, like Tubb's former NY partner Clarence. I never bought into that all.

 

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12 hours ago, jpaul1 said:

Crockett can't be a MDPD lieutenant because he retired in Freefall. for some reason i would see him as a kind of Castillo bis, but not in the police. as a retired CIA agent that had gone to the golden triangle, giving wise advices. or a retired infltrated narcotics. the kind of dude that travelled a lot and saw lot of stuff, and can give good advices. regarding Tubbs i emitted a strange idea i conceed once, but i think he could be also a guy giving good advices, and who saw lot of stuff. i would see him as a gay club owner. why such strange thing, because first it would seriously cut with the old MV which would be a good thing IMO. and second why not. it could be a kind of mysterious gay, the kind that is so sly that we don't even know if he's really gay you know. when i first emitted that idea years ago i got a bunch of confused smileys lol. but if you want a new MV to suceed, you need to do something completely new. I see Crockett as a low profile. living in a dusty apartment, or a shack in the Glades. and sometimes driving a super fancy classic car. adding to the guy mystery. a 300SL gullwing or something

Sorry about another confused emoji....but I cannot entertain the thought of Crockett or Tubbs being "gay"! No way Jose! They are too cool :cool: and I would not want to see them in a reboot like that! :thumbsdown:

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Tony my friend, i have gays in my family and i can ensure you that they are able to spread as much love, probably more as non gays. so for me they are definitely among to the coolest people

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16 hours ago, MennoinSF said:

Interesting. I follow Don Winslow on Twitter, even though I have never read any of his works. But the reason I follow him, is that he is a huge Miami Vice fan. Could he not start working on a reboot? He knows the material really well and he is an acclaimed writer. 

I doubt it. The Cartel trilogy is a very different beast. He's done some other cop stories as well, including one about the NYPD that's quite close to The Shield, honestly. He may be a fan, but his style is rather different and his DEA character in the Cartel novels is actually closer to Castillo (a very dark Castillo) than either Crockett or Tubbs.

Besides, reboots are almost never successful. If they are (and I count Five-O as being successful) they blaze their own path while retaining select legacy elements of the original. The original Five-O was serious, while the reboot had strong comedic elements throughout. The reboot was also driven by many extended story arcs as opposed to episodic plotting. Granted, the crossover episode with the new Magnum was God-awful, although it presented a great contrast of a reboot done reasonably well with one that was botched and never should have aired (IMO). But that also gets to the heart of it: Five-O was a pretty formula cop show when it came out, standing out mostly because of its location. Magnum was something different, which is why the reboot is problematic. Miami Vice was very, very much a creature of its time...which is why a reboot would be a terrible idea.

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i sincerely think creativity is close to infinite. if you have the good scenarist with good ideas anything is possible. a good example of that is music remixes. people create remixes of great songs that are equal, sometimes better than original songs. it's just about inspiration. But Augusta underlined a good point. regarding the love MV fans have for the series, the audience for a reboot will search too much for perfection. thus the margin for the scenarist(s) will be tight, too tight??

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17 hours ago, Mr. Calderon said:

ah...another michael mann craperpiece? 

Like every great filmmaker they make average film's at the end of their illustrious career. Michael Mann's last great film was Collateral and he was made at least 3 or even 4 masterpieces.

In my opinion Scorsese, Freidkin, Scott, Coppola, De Palma haven't made a great film for over 2 decades. 

Scorsese for example last great film was Casino and that was in 1995, after that he was churning them out.

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18 minutes ago, jpaul1 said:

i sincerely think creativity is close to infinite. if you have the good scenarist with good ideas anything is possible. a good example of that is music remixes. people create remixes of great songs that are equal, sometimes better than original songs. it's just about inspiration. But Augusta underlined a good point. regarding the love MV fans have for the series, the audience for a reboot will search too much for perfection. thus the margin for the scenarist(s) will be tight, too tight??

Perhaps music, but you see many failures when other writers try to "bring back" characters (the James Bond books spring to mind, but there are other examples). There's also a great deal of tolerance for remixes. But this also ignores the basic essence of Vice: a show created in no small part to bring movie production standards to the small screen (that was always Mann's vision and goal...and he wandered away as soon as he reached that goal). There's also nowhere near as much tolerance for some of the more edgy elements Vice explored, unless you frame them in a very particular (usually heavy-handed and inauthentic) way. You might be able to get something close on a streaming service, but the cultural relevance would be almost totally missing.

Vice was successful because it brought so many new elements and concepts together at just the right time. And it's not just about inspiration...it also takes talent (for every good remix I can think of at least two that were horrible...except maybe jazz, where covering standards is expected). I can think of one or two show runners who might be able to pull something like this off if they were interested in it, had solid casting, and were able to maintain control for the entire run. I also think it would HAVE to be a show with a limited run duration (five or six seasons, maybe...REAL seasons not these stupid four episode seasons we're starting to see on streaming stuff).

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3 minutes ago, Robbie C. said:

Vice was successful because it brought so many new elements and concepts together at just the right time. And it's not just about inspiration...

it is. if it's creative and new it's inspiration. hence the thing possible to me. hard i conceed, but possible

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1 minute ago, jpaul1 said:

it is. if it's creative and new it's inspiration. hence the thing possible to me. hard i conceed, but possible

No, it's not just about that. A TV show takes many, many people...the inspiration of one will fail if the casting decisions are poor, if the music isn't suited, the wrong network picks up the project...I could go on. Efforts like Vice are a collective. Sure, someone could create a reboot that called itself "Miami Vice 2.0" or some garbage...but would it have the same feel? The same cultural impact? That sort of impact comes from original projects, not reboots. So it would be possible to have a show that had the same impact as Vice, but it would have to be its own project, standing on its own feet instead of trying to reboot or recreate something else.

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3 minutes ago, Robbie C. said:

No, it's not just about that. A TV show takes many, many people...the inspiration of one will fail if the casting decisions are poor, if the music isn't suited, the wrong network picks up the project...I could go on. Efforts like Vice are a collective. Sure, someone could create a reboot that called itself "Miami Vice 2.0" or some garbage...but would it have the same feel? The same cultural impact? That sort of impact comes from original projects, not reboots. So it would be possible to have a show that had the same impact as Vice, but it would have to be its own project, standing on its own feet instead of trying to reboot or recreate something else.

Miami vice was as much a cocktail of luck than a series of good choices. Miami vice wouldn't have been the same without Hammer, PMT, or Castillo. if you want to be sure to succeed then you'd better do nothing. as the probably to catch all the good elements together is almost impossible. but i prefer a failed attempt to inactivity. i rejoin you on the fact that to succeed it will have to be totally different from the 80s show. but this doesn't prevent from having DJ, or PMT as guests stars as i already told earlier. maybe we think the same, but didn't understand each other

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