The Ferrari Daytonas of Miami Vice

[Youngman]

Original TiresThe tires McBurnie put on car were Pirelli Centurion 205 60 15 and 215 60 15. It looks like you could put a much wider tire on the back... plenty of room. I stayed with the stock sizes.Hope that helps, Bob

[Kavinsky]

The tires McBurnie put on car were Pirelli Centurion 205 60 15 and 215 60 15. It looks like you could put a much wider tire on the back... plenty of room. I stayed with the stock sizes.Hope that helps' date=' Bob[/quote']Thanks and hmmm the tv car did have Pirelli's as well just 235's all around, Bryan's has 225's on the front and 235's on the rear.Jurassic's has the 215's all around I believe, Sonny 215 on the front and 255's on the rear.all R15 ratingthis one here is however an odd duck, R14 tire size like the actual size of the rim and 225's all around:guess the R/ rim rating really matters herekind of thinking a nice look for the thing would be 15's with 230 size tires, 60/R15 which apparently they do make but there rare

[Kavinsky]

Youngman I was just looking through one my daytona photo folders I have on my machine here and I just noticed something on one of your photos, Has your Car's grill been chrome painted at some point?http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7127&stc=1&d=1352686554it seems as good as the actual cars grill shine wise, I didnt even notice it until now.http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7128&stc=1&d=1352686556you see the grill was made out of heavy aluminum on the mcburnies and markadian cars and on them its kind of hard to keep it polished and shiney given its construction, aluminum dulls overtime polishwise. like its own form of corrosion which you see on fighterjets that have been neglected. and it showed up during buddies and a few scenes during S2 where the grill had looked dulled and downright matt instead of the way it looks on yours.http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7129&stc=1&d=1352686856I guess the next question would be is it made out of aluminum, could hit it with a magnet or something and see if it sticks as it might be a custom job or something.

[Youngman]

GrillI will check as I recall it was black metal with just chromed end strips and the emblem was gold. I will get a close up picture... was busy this weekend reached 68 degrees in Chicago (in NOVEMBER!) so I was out with the car and the top down!Bob

[Kavinsky]

I will check as I recall it was black metal with just chromed end strips and the emblem was gold. I will get a close up picture... was busy this weekend reached 68 degrees in Chicago (in NOVEMBER!) so I was out with the car and the top down!Bob

thanks and yeah we went from 30 to 60 here as well out of nowhere' date=' and they had already put salt on the roads for when it did snow once on the 7th when it felt like hell had frozen over and the shell shock of what happened basically put me in neutral moodwise. Bloody idiots though and its now raining, I'm going to have to get the underbelly of the car cleaned off when the rain stops in a few days once the salt is gone.hmm though, metal construction and its chromed on the ends with a little gold? I gotta wonder if that means towards the end of the run of the mcburnies they changed the grill construction or if its a custom job.I mean it kinda looks like the same guy who did your interior is the same guy who did sonny burnetts, maybe he also fabricated a new grill for it or something.also just doing a bit of browsing and I found out I was wrong about the pirelli's being used on the TR, it was michelin so the pirelli's might be a recent thing. But it turns out that ferrari has used 205's along with 215's and 225's on there ferrari's of that vintagethe daytona's vintage I meanand the tire they used was the michelin xwx, its just with the 205's it was on the ferrari 330 GTC and had an 80% tirewall height, 205/80/VR14 (probably the speed rating not the Rim size) and then for the 206/246 Dino and the daytona they brought it down to 70% sidewall height and then sized them up to 215, along with 225's for the rear like on the top gear daytona they used[url']http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_20028-Ferrari-365-GTB-4-1972.htmlhttp://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_203131-Ferrari-365-GTB-4-1973.htmlfront 215/70/R15, Rear 225/70/R15, both XWX mixed in with 60 spoke 15 wire wheels.

[Youngman]

Grill InfoSo they look to be painted black aluminium with polished edges and the horse is some kind of gold, does not look painted maybe cad plated or polished brass?Sorry about pix taken with camera phoneBob

[Kavinsky]

So they look to be painted black aluminium with polished edges and the horse is some kind of gold' date=' does not look painted maybe cad plated or polished brass?Sorry about pix taken with camera phoneBob[/quote']Well that's unusual and inventive, wonder who came up with that one? would mean that all you would need to do is go over the outside rather than worrying about the inside spots and probably save you alot of hassle in the long run, Dont know about the prancing horse, maybe false gold plated? I mean hell my watch has got a coating like that that got knocked off at some point on one of the 4 points by the wrist band that looks gold.hell that's better than what ferrari came up with as I've noticed that even on those they typically seem to have tarnished grills, you see what they did was paint the edges by the pop up headlights and left the rest chrome, hence why you dont see the retaining edges of the grill there next to the headlamps.

[Kavinsky]

I think I figured out why the dash was designed the way it was on Car 1 and Car 4, you see on the latter replicas the dash sits more or less entirely below the trim line of the windshieldand you can see the fender and hood lines from where it mates with the windshield from inside the car on them.http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7162&stc=1&d=1353615388http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7161&stc=1&d=1353615385http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7163&stc=1&d=1353615391

[Kavinsky]

While the dash on the vice cars is very much anything but thathttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7157&stc=1&d=1353615315Car 1 above, Car 4 belowhttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7158&stc=1&d=1353615317that's why you have this hump over the main instrument cluster and then it dips down below the hood trim linehttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7159&stc=1&d=1353615319http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7156&stc=1&d=1353615298then its suddenly peaked up right around where you would normally see the the right fender top from inside of the car, hence that sudden arking I guess you would say either half or quarter crest by the right side pillar here that arks up to line up with the door panelhttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7164&stc=1&d=1353615395rather than sink below it like herehttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7162&stc=1&d=1353615388meaning that while mcburnie did try to copy Mark Chinetti's work (sorry if I'm getting the name wrong again, I forgot how its properly spelled), he missed the point of it completely by sinking it below the windshield trim line on either side of the car.which is also why on some of the replicas like this one here it seems like the windshield is too high on it from behind vs the vice cars carhttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7163&stc=1&d=1353615391http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7165&stc=1&d=1353616289http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7160&stc=1&d=1353615320like it needs a trip to Chip Foose or something to chop the windshield down or give it a lower angleNot to mention it its raised state, the lower half of the dash that's covered in matching leather blends in with the rest of the interior from the rear giving it a complete, professional look. while the black half of the dash blends in with the hood from the front

[Kavinsky]

http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7167&stc=1&d=1353617767hell kind of looks like having the dash line up with the door panel seems to be point of the hump over the speedo and tach here too, as it looks like a smooth line to transition from the door panel to the dashhttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7166&stc=1&d=1353617763Like I said the guy who did the interior knew what he was doing and it shows as its the single most important part of the car, the thing your going to be looking at everytime you drive it.

[jurassic narc]

No, the key to the dash is a distinctive look while retaining the Corvette instuments and controls. The left side of the dash is raised slightly and the the center and passenger side are lowered. The back side of the dash (from the inside) still follows the Corvette line where the dash meets the windshield. The look is finished, and yet the lines don't look too Vette-ish. The raised area on the right side just keeps the main attachment points of the dash consistent.The other dash was a faux-Ferrari dash that many tried to get to look correct and work with the Corvette guage wiring. Everyone I have talked with about this dash says the wiring (or re-wiring) is a nightmare. Because the indicator lights have to be seperate from the guage faces (while on a real car they are bult in to the speedo and tach faces) that dash never looks like it should.The Vette instrument package was highly functional for the time. By retaining the center gauges and the Speed/Tach pod, the early McBurnies had the best instumentation and a unique look. But when everyone started trying to replicate the Ferrari the gauge pods wouldn't work.As far as I know, even today you can't find gauges that have built in indicators for a kit car. And gauge face companies are reluctant to put the Ferrari logo on gauge faces (I tried).If it weren't for having the speedo recalibrated I would have a face made for the speedo and tach with the Mardikian logo. I doubt anyone would object to that!!

[jurassic narc]

http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7166&stc=1&d=1353617763Like I said the guy who did the interior knew what he was doing and it shows as its the single most important part of the car, the thing your going to be looking at everytime you drive it.

Yes, the trim line (where the tan bulge runs across) was to link from door to door. It is a shame to me that this interior was not really recognized for the great look it had. MOst people imply look at it and see that it wasn't just like a Ferrari

[Kavinsky]

Yes' date=' the trim line (where the tan bulge runs across) was to link from door to door. It is a shame to me that this interior was not really recognized for the great look it had. MOst people imply look at it and see that it wasn't just like a Ferrari[/quote']yeah I guess they get hung up on the fact that its a rebodied corvette that's been professionaly redone from bow to stern. there seems to be a stigma namely with the europeans against the corvette. probably because of the fact that it came out of the muscle car era and that GM always cut it's performance short until about 15 years ago when the euro cars started reaching our shores in droves.along with the viper out horsepowering it hell they killed the buick GNX, the black car that was seen in killshot prominentlyhttp://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_123879-Buick-Grand-National-1986.html just because it was faster than the C4 with its turbo charged 6 Cylinder motor. that's what kind of hypocrisy GM's leadership practiced and when performance competition came from outside of GM they finally had to stepped up the lazy buggers. so a 81 corvette with a 190 HP stock vs 255 350 with everything on it at its peak in 1972 and a ferrari like body probably seems like heresy to them given that and the performance and handling difference. even though with solid lifters, new camshaft, hardened valves, an a few lightened parts a small block could probbaly perform as well as the V12 of the actual car if not more so at the same RPM level.plus what I said about the 1 barrel per cylinder deal that the ferrari's and lambo's used back then, the daytona had 6 2 barrel carbs and the miura 4 3 barrels.so all you'd really need to get the maximum out of the 350 is two 4 barrels and some choice performance parts if that's what bothers you about itplus the switching of leaf spring to coil springs and some little tricks to lighten the car abit for a 50/50 weight balance, or basically Sonny Burnett's rear suspension which I forgot to write down the specs of.anyways The dash to me though does seem better than the one on the actual car and the ravioli style carpets had:http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7168&stc=1&d=1353622832why on earth they thought to put that in there I'll never know and I keep seeing modern ferrari's with them too, yes I want my million dollar car to remind me of ravioli when I look at the carpet.http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7169&stc=1&d=1353622834Hmm I didnt figure that they'd have that kind of trouble with the gauges though but I guess that makes sense as it was designed to work with that and only that. Not full size gauges like that so it would probably need to be rewired to handle the load from the new gauges of varying makes and models.although I cant remember what those three lights in the middle between the tach and the speedo are at the moment, although that would also include the turn signals in that cluster there on the stock car.that I remember.I will say this much though about the actual car, I like the treatment they did with the handbrake there.

[jurassic narc]

http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_123879-Buick-Grand-National-1986.html just because it was faster than the C4 with its turbo charged 6 Cylinder motor. that's what kind of hypocrisy GM's leadership practiced and when performance competition came from outside of GM they finally had to stepped up the lazy buggers. so a 81 corvette with a 190 HP stock vs 255 350 with everything on it at its peak in 1972 and a ferrari like body probably seems like heresy to them given that and the performance and handling difference. even though with solid lifters, new camshaft, hardened valves, an a few lightened parts a small block could probbaly perform as well as the V12 of the actual car if not more so at the same RPM level.plus what I said about the 1 barrel per cylinder deal that the ferrari's and lambo's used back then, the daytona had 6 2 barrel carbs and the miura 4 3 barrels.so all you'd really need to get the maximum out of the 350 is two 4 barrels and some choice performance parts if that's what bothers you about itplus the switching of leaf spring to coil springs and some little tricks to lighten the car abit for a 50/50 weight balance, or basically Sonny Burnett's rear suspension which I forgot to write down the specs of.anyways The dash to me though does seem better than the one on the actual car and the ravioli style carpets had:http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7168&stc=1&d=1353622832why on earth they thought to put that in there I'll never know and I keep seeing modern ferrari's with them too, yes I want my million dollar car to remind me of ravioli when I look at the carpet.http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7169&stc=1&d=1353622834Hmm I didnt figure that they'd have that kind of trouble with the gauges though but I guess that makes sense as it was designed to work with that and only that. Not full size gauges like that so it would probably need to be rewired to handle the load from the new gauges of varying makes and models.although I cant remember what those three lights in the middle between the tach and the speedo are at the moment, although that would also include the turn signals in that cluster there on the stock car.that I remember.I will say this much though about the actual car, I like the treatment they did with the handbrake there.

The screwed up thing about the gauges was that the Vette harness was this pressure retained harness with a series of six contacts on each side. To wire the new gauges into the dash required that you cut the connector off and hook each wire up individually. The same for the tac/speedo and the indicator lights. All that while crunched up into the dash!The indicators are usually the left and right turn signal and the high beam indicator. But the usual approaches in the dash look very DYS to me. If I were going to go to all that work I would at least look for a way to insert that into gauge face or find one that would work with the gauges included.I looked at doing the changeover when I first got my car, but was steered away by most of the people I talked to who had experience in that area. Now I am glad I kept the Vette dash. Wiring in a car that old can be a nightmare, and at least I can replace it end to end if I had to. Having to pull the dash and do those (24 I think) connections one at a time would drive me nuts!!

[Kavinsky]

I mean the three center indicators here between the speedo and the tachhttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7172&stc=1&d=1353638239 I think what your thinking of are the ones on the actual speedo and tach, I mean the ones in the middle there that go horizontally from top to bottomand yeah I have come across cars where when they want to go for a more classic look with a modern twist ala the pre 76 cars they usually just put the new tach and speedo right ontop of the old one like herehttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7170&stc=1&d=1353638234http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7171&stc=1&d=1353638236and sometimes the other gauges as well like on the 78 one there, probably replace them one at a time although one must wonder what kind of condition the fuseboxes and the fuses are in along with the wires, another one of those things where you kind of want to pay for the best and just leave it to a professional.plus you have to make sure its running the right ampage and all that too I think and use the same gauge wire for everything, its a tricky thing that's killed many cars when done wrong, Rolls Royces, MG's, Jaguar's, Early Lamborghini's and the like are the most commonalong with installing a battery disconnect just incase, which only works on old cars as the computers of new cars die and pretty much screw everything up after a week of being off with no power.

[Tommy Vercetti]

Ferrari and Vice related:

[Youngman]

Don't know if it helps but a picture of my dashAgain my production date was December 1987

[Kavinsky]

Sorry would have posted earlier but the website was down for a day or so.Hmm weird that he's down there out of the blue trying out the new ferrari, on the other hand maybe he's trading in his old one:

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gWAKktjhY0

either that or well.......... funny though I keep hearing a slight sampling of this yello track in it though at 1:56 during that video

its faint but I keep picking up on it.Hmm 1987 then, about the middle of the production probably, wonder if the guy who did your interior was the same who did Sonny Burnett's judging by the door handle treatment.

[Sonny-Burnett]

Hmm 1987 then' date=' about the middle of the production probably, wonder if the guy who did your interior was the same who did Sonny Burnett's judging by the door handle treatment.[/quote']The dash, custom leather trim, radio housing, door panels, and the center console are virtually identical to mine, although the main instrument cluster is slightly different. So I think it's the same maker.The seatbacks are the main difference I can see as well as less wear on the seats and interior.

[Sonny-Burnett]

Ferrari and Vice related:

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX7V-COtHTo

Pretty cool to see and hear a later model Ferrari. And I had never heard Mann speak before so was interesting. Wonder when this was made?

[Matt5]

Pretty cool to see and hear a later model Ferrari. And I had never heard Mann speak before so was interesting. Wonder when this was made?

Interesting thanks

[Kavinsky]

Pretty cool to see and hear a later model Ferrari. And I had never heard Mann speak before so was interesting. Wonder when this was made?

It's gotta be really recent' date=' that is the replacement for the 599 that I believe just came out about 4 months ago.hell even the wikipedia article is in progress from the look of it:[url']http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_F12berlinetta

[Kavinsky]

Thought this was kind of interesting, I found a video of the daytona replica that was apparently used in the clint eastwood film "The Rookie" from 1990:

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=85lqVV14K-w&feature=related

http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_91502-Ferrari-365-GTS-4-Replica.htmland this one out of Houston, Texas

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C8D730S9wo

[Stinger390X]

I like the car from Houston.The red one doesn't do anything for me...

[Kavinsky]

yeah it was just kind of funny, I was looking at the imcdb wondering what the rest of the red tomato looked like in the flesh there and well lord and behold a video of it in the modern day pops up.funny though the black one has the zenith wire wheel caps on it, gold ones like the ones that used to be on the vice car during its run on the show.