Thoughts on Covid 19

[Dadrian]

Best wishes @Christine! 

“Keep on goin’” 

[Tony D.]

7 hours ago, Christine said:

Thank you for the congratulations to my son. Right now they are both in the Maldives enjoying their honeymoon.
As for the corona disease: In our country they say weeds don't fade. In my company, there have been three employees who have not had the disease. One was me. Well, now there are only two left. However, I could have done without it, because I have been sick a lot in the past few months. First I was ill for ten weeks because of bad back pain, then I fell on my knee, and now I have Corona on top of that.

 

I am happy to hear about your son, Christine but I'm sorry you were so sick & now with covid. I'll keep you in my prayers for a speedy recovery!

[airtommy]

 

[Marc]

there's been rumours about his health for quite awhile now and this got posted today.

https://okmagazine.com/p/jamie-foxx-paralyzed-blind-blood-clot-brain-covid-19-vaccine/

[Ferrariman]

8 minutes ago, Marc said:

there's been rumours about his health for quite awhile now and this got posted today.

https://okmagazine.com/p/jamie-foxx-paralyzed-blind-blood-clot-brain-covid-19-vaccine/

I would file this one under conspiracy theory.   Never heard of Ok Magazine either. 

[pahonu]

4 hours ago, Ferrariman said:

I would file this one under conspiracy theory.   Never heard of Ok Magazine either. 

Agreed!  His daughter, Corinne Foxx, told the press several weeks ago that her father was: “out of the hospital for weeks, recuperating”.  

I would also add that blood clots via cytokine storms were a highly reported complication of Covid early in the pandemic, long before any vaccines were developed.  Blaming a symptom of an illness on the vaccine for the same illness is a poor argument.  Vaccine side effects are dramatically lower than the rate of infection of Covid and all of its symptoms.

[Christine]

Of course, vaccinations can have side effects. This is true not only for those against Covid 19, but for all vaccinations and for taking all medications. Some package inserts are longer than a roll of toilet paper and the largest part is taken up by the possible side effects. 
As far as Covid is concerned, we no longer hear anything about it. You could almost believe that this disease never existed. that's very amazing, considering how many measures and bans there have been for three years.

 

[Kalci]

I have heard about Jamie Foxx's case. We will see if he has left paralyzed and blind in the coming month. If he will not show up healthy we will know, it was true, because these actors always posting on social media and showing off their private life.

I am not a fan of mRNA and still think it was not useful to kind of force it on the ppl but at least those times are gone and hope they will not come back.

I am 30yo so I was not in danger.

At my age the probability to die of covid was lower than 0,1% or so.

Taking the vaccine and suffering side effects after it was also on the same level with it. Or could have even been higher since mRNA tech wasn't applied before on such a big population.

So I did choose to not risk it since I was healthy and still I am and did not get covid or had any symptoms that I knew of.

After 10years(I think around 2031-2032) we can have conclusions.

[Kladdagh]

I have just one thing to say ... The source of the information is always important. In that case, it seems a little ... light: (ok magazine).

[Kalci]

This is an interesting 40min discussion with some more interesting reference pulled together.

https://www.uimedianetwork.com/287613/Detox.htm

[wolfie1996]

On 6/4/2023 at 9:18 PM, Christine said:

Of course, vaccinations can have side effects. This is true not only for those against Covid 19, but for all vaccinations and for taking all medications. Some package inserts are longer than a roll of toilet paper and the largest part is taken up by the possible side effects. 
As far as Covid is concerned, we no longer hear anything about it. You could almost believe that this disease never existed. that's very amazing, considering how many measures and bans there have been for three years.

 

I do actually believe it never existed and was merely the flu (which disappeared for 3 years apparently...) renamed.

[Christine]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb wolfie1996:

I do actually believe it never existed and was merely the flu (which disappeared for 3 years apparently...) renamed.

I cannot confirm that it was just a normal flu. Some of the symptoms are very different from those of the flu. Covid is currently rampant here again. Several of my colleagues and their families have been laid up and some of my own family have also been affected. The virus will never go away. Viruses and bacteria existed long before there were any other living creatures on this planet, and they will probably still be around long after everyone else has died out.

[wolfie1996]

11 minutes ago, Christine said:

I cannot confirm that it was just a normal flu. Some of the symptoms are very different from those of the flu. Covid is currently rampant here again. Several of my colleagues and their families have been laid up and some of my own family have also been affected. The virus will never go away. Viruses and bacteria existed long before there were any other living creatures on this planet, and they will probably still be around long after everyone else has died out.

Hmmm..I think it was bizarre the way flu cases apparently disappeared during this "epidemic" though. I'll tell you what else I wonder about- how many of all these "covid" cases have been vaccinated? Sam and her husband (also Sam!) who run our livery had the first vax and promptly came down with "covid" several times! I was starting to steer clear of them They never had  any more. I've never had any of the vaccinations and have been always OK, not even a sniffle . I'm sure you're right about viruses in general though.

[pahonu]

5 hours ago, wolfie1996 said:

I do actually believe it never existed and was merely the flu (which disappeared for 3 years apparently...) renamed.

Influenza viruses and corona viruses are different types of viruses.  So are HIV, Ebola, Hantavirus, etc…. They’re different viruses.  They have some different symptoms and some similar symptoms.  If someone had a fever from Ebola it shouldn’t be treated just as a fever from the flu.  There are different treatment regimes.  This is basic medicine.  
 

Flu didn’t disappear for three years though the rates of infection were dramatically lower, perhaps because of all the physical distancing and other measures…. Corona virus and influenza have a common vector after all.  The biggest difference between them is communicability and morbidity.  Influenza doesn’t feature the various blood clots associated with Covid, for example.

[BunMVO]

6 hours ago, wolfie1996 said:

I do actually believe it never existed and was merely the flu (which disappeared for 3 years apparently...) renamed.

Yeah, this explanation always has made the most sense to me and it's the one I've stuck with. I haven't been sick (as in, not self-inflicted from excessive drinking or overeating) since I was like 12 years old. During the whole "pandemic" panic, I never changed one thing about the way I lived. Kept going out, kept not caring, and kept being fine. I think that the way the flu "disappeared" for those few years was really odd, and even weirder that the symptoms of COVID-19 were identical to that of the flu. Of course, the media was very effective in making people paranoid and looking for things that they probably wouldn't have even thought about had the airwaves not been flooded by that garbage until the Ukraine thing became The Current Thing, then it simply disappeared, and no one talked about it anymore.

[vicegirl85]

3 hours ago, pahonu said:

Influenza viruses and corona viruses are different types of viruses.  So are HIV, Ebola, Hantavirus, etc…. They’re different viruses.  They have some different symptoms and some similar symptoms.  If someone had a fever from Ebola it shouldn’t be treated just as a fever from the flu.  There are different treatment regimes.  This is basic medicine.  
 

Flu didn’t disappear for three years though the rates of infection were dramatically lower, perhaps because of all the physical distancing and other measures…. Corona virus and influenza have a common vector after all.  The biggest difference between them is communicability and morbidity.  Influenza doesn’t feature the various blood clots associated with Covid, for example.

Thank you for this great explanation that was accurate and not too complicated to understand.

As you said, it is believed by infectious disease experts that the social distancing, masking, and other factors practiced by many people to reduce the spread of COVID-19 are the reasons for the dramatically decreased incidence of influenza during the past 3 years.  An infectious disease specialist also told me at the time that when one viral illness seems to dominate (which was the case with COVID-19), it can basically take over and suppress the incidence of some other viruses, such as influenza or RSV. 

[wolfie1996]

12 hours ago, BunMVO said:

Yeah, this explanation always has made the most sense to me and it's the one I've stuck with. I haven't been sick (as in, not self-inflicted from excessive drinking or overeating) since I was like 12 years old. During the whole "pandemic" panic, I never changed one thing about the way I lived. Kept going out, kept not caring, and kept being fine. I think that the way the flu "disappeared" for those few years was really odd, and even weirder that the symptoms of COVID-19 were identical to that of the flu. Of course, the media was very effective in making people paranoid and looking for things that they probably wouldn't have even thought about had the airwaves not been flooded by that garbage until the Ukraine thing became The Current Thing, then it simply disappeared, and no one talked about it anymore.

At last, someone talking sense on here! I was the same as you, never masked (it even says on the box they don't work), no jabs and went where I liked. How anyone can give credence to the effectiveness of "social distancing" and other such made up claptrap is beyond me. It doesn't seem to have occurred to all the jabbed that THEY are the ones continually getting "covid" while people like us remain healthy. Oh and the Ukraine thing is so last week, daahling It's Gaza now, doncha know!

[Ferrariman]

I would file the 2 of you under "lucky"   Be happy you didn't get it!

[BunMVO]

4 hours ago, wolfie1996 said:

At last, someone talking sense on here! I was the same as you, never masked (it even says on the box they don't work), no jabs and went where I liked. How anyone can give credence to the effectiveness of "social distancing" and other such made up claptrap is beyond me. It doesn't seem to have occurred to all the jabbed that THEY are the ones continually getting "covid" while people like us remain healthy. Oh and the Ukraine thing is so last week, daahling It's Gaza now, doncha know!

Yes! And I think that the social distancing thing had a profound effect on people, there was a reason it was called social distancing and not physical distancing. People are more apathetic, less caring, and less sociable than ever before. It's sad. I moved over a year ago and I still don't know a single neighbor's name. Mind you, I live in a side-to-side townhouse complex.

You're right I'm slow on the news. I better go and update my social media profiles to let everyone know I support the right side in the brand-new Israel/Gaza conflict which never existed until October 7th  

[pahonu]

6 minutes ago, BunMVO said:

Yes! And I think that the social distancing thing had a profound effect on people, there was a reason it was called social distancing and not physical distancing. People are more apathetic, less caring, and less sociable than ever before. It's sad. I moved over a year ago and I still don't know a single neighbor's name. Mind you, I live in a side-to-side townhouse complex.

You're right I'm slow on the news. I better go and update my social media profiles to let everyone know I support the right side in the brand-new Israel/Gaza conflict which never existed until October 7th  

Lack of direct socialization via social media began long before Covid.  I recall you describing this in old threads in discussions we had.  I’m glad you got into your own place.  I live in a townhouse complex myself.  My family has been here for almost 25 years and I recall very clearly when we moved in during the summer of ‘97.  

My wife and I made a point of meeting our neighbors.  We went to the pool and spa and introduced ourselves to everyone we met.  We did the same with new people we ran into in the mailroom and parking garage.  We also knocked on the doors of a couple of our immediate neighbors as well to say hello and introduce ourselves.  My wife admittedly was less comfortable meeting new people than myself, and while many of those neighbors are gone now, some are still friends and we’ve met many more over the years. 

I know times have changed, but I still make a point to say hi and introduce myself when someone new moves in.  I very rarely don’t get a positive response.  Even our recent neighbors from China, who don’t speak English well, say hello and we have traded some food with each other.  Their little boy Evan just started kindergarten this year and is very friendly and talkative.  He loves to see our cat at the screen and always says hi.

Somebody has to initiate the conversation.  Perhaps you could be the one.  If no one does, then what?  I don’t think blaming the pandemic for social isolation solves anything.  Give it a try.  There are lots of interesting people out there.  My friends and family have joked that I’m such a typical sarcastic, sometimes snarky, Gen X guy in many ways, but I still try to be friendly.  It’s so easy and still works remarkably well in this world.

[pahonu]

If I’m honest, I worry a bit with some of the conclusions being made here based on evidence that’s simply incorrect.  The flu didn’t disappear and the symptoms aren’t identical.  Those are hyperbolic statements and not factual.  Flu rates dropped significantly and Covid and flu share many symptoms but not all.  Glossing over those differences lead to poor conclusions and more importantly, bad or even harmful decisions based on such conclusions.  

[BunMVO]

1 hour ago, pahonu said:

Lack of direct socialization via social media began long before Covid.  I recall you describing this in old threads in discussions we had.  I’m glad you got into your own place.  I live in a townhouse complex myself.  My family has been here for almost 25 years and I recall very clearly when we moved in during the summer of ‘97.  

My wife and I made a point of meeting our neighbors.  We went to the pool and spa and introduced ourselves to everyone we met.  We did the same with new people we ran into in the mailroom and parking garage.  We also knocked on the doors of a couple of our immediate neighbors as well to say hello and introduce ourselves.  My wife admittedly was less comfortable meeting new people than myself, and while many of those neighbors are gone now, some are still friends and we’ve met many more over the years. 

I know times have changed, but I still make a point to say hi and introduce myself when someone new moves in.  I very rarely don’t get a positive response.  Even our recent neighbors from China, who don’t speak English well, say hello and we have traded some food with each other.  Their little boy Evan just started kindergarten this year and is very friendly and talkative.  He loves to see our cat at the screen and always says hi.

Somebody has to initiate the conversation.  Perhaps you could be the one.  If no one does, then what?  I don’t think blaming the pandemic for social isolation solves anything.  Give it a try.  There are lots of interesting people out there.  My friends and family have joked that I’m such a typical sarcastic, sometimes snarky, Gen X guy in many ways, but I still try to be friendly.  It’s so easy and still works remarkably well in this world.

Thanks! I did end up finding a pretty nice place in my hometown, but come next spring it's time for me to move again.

Well, I definitely noticed a change in the way people act after the last few years. The culture shift killed off a lot of activities and things that were considered normal simply don't exist the way they used to. You can't really just strike up a conversation with someone anymore without it seeming weird. Maybe you haven't felt the difference but I notice it. People act like it's a crime or inconvenience to have a friendly chat in public. Several of my friends feel the same exact way as me. The polarization that happened the last few years drove a wedge that our collective conscious still hasn't recovered from. That's my experience and that of a few others I know, anyway.

It doesn't help that I'm 26 and in this awkward social transitional period right now - I live by myself in a neighborhood that is mostly made of families, so pretty much just significantly older and significantly younger people than me. And I'm in a job that I work with significantly older people than me, and my social life has more or less evaporated with friends being busy with work or girlfriends, having moved away, and my family being completely split up and spread throughout the country. That's part of the reason I'm trying to flee to another state for a fresh start, because I have no network anyway, so I might as well live somewhere that I enjoy the environment of. With any luck I'll be long gone from Minnesota by May. No reason to stay. So not much reason to try to get my neighbors now since I'll only live near them for 6 months tops. And being the lone mid-20s guy in a neighborhood of families already makes it kind of odd.

1 hour ago, pahonu said:

If I’m honest, I worry a bit with some of the conclusions being made here based on evidence that’s simply incorrect.  The flu didn’t disappear and the symptoms aren’t identical.  Those are hyperbolic statements and not factual.  Flu rates dropped significantly and Covid and flu share many symptoms but not all.  Glossing over those differences lead to poor conclusions and more importantly, bad or even harmful decisions based on such conclusions.  

I see what you're saying, but a lot of the things the media claimed during that time period were also proven and admitted to be simply incorrect as well. I'm admittedly anti-establishment and contrarian by nature, but I'm confident that my conclusions are based in reality. But then again, isn't everyone? 

[Robbie C.]

2 hours ago, pahonu said:

Lack of direct socialization via social media began long before Covid.  I recall you describing this in old threads in discussions we had.  I’m glad you got into your own place.  I live in a townhouse complex myself.  My family has been here for almost 25 years and I recall very clearly when we moved in during the summer of ‘97.  

My wife and I made a point of meeting our neighbors.  We went to the pool and spa and introduced ourselves to everyone we met.  We did the same with new people we ran into in the mailroom and parking garage.  We also knocked on the doors of a couple of our immediate neighbors as well to say hello and introduce ourselves.  My wife admittedly was less comfortable meeting new people than myself, and while many of those neighbors are gone now, some are still friends and we’ve met many more over the years. 

I know times have changed, but I still make a point to say hi and introduce myself when someone new moves in.  I very rarely don’t get a positive response.  Even our recent neighbors from China, who don’t speak English well, say hello and we have traded some food with each other.  Their little boy Evan just started kindergarten this year and is very friendly and talkative.  He loves to see our cat at the screen and always says hi.

Somebody has to initiate the conversation.  Perhaps you could be the one.  If no one does, then what?  I don’t think blaming the pandemic for social isolation solves anything.  Give it a try.  There are lots of interesting people out there.  My friends and family have joked that I’m such a typical sarcastic, sometimes snarky, Gen X guy in many ways, but I still try to be friendly.  It’s so easy and still works remarkably well in this world.

As more people are being forced into renting, this kind of socializing is disappearing, in no part based on how most apartment complexes are designed. And as rent continues to skyrocket, without incomes keeping up, many just don't have the time or energy to go knocking on doors and the like. Where we live it's becoming more and more uncommon to find someone who's been in the same residence (I can't stand calling an apartment "home"...it's more like a storage unit with indoor plumbing) for more than five or six years, let alone 25. Having moved from a house to rental (job change), I've experienced that particular dynamic first-hand, as have many of my friends. 

[wolfie1996]

3 hours ago, BunMVO said:

Yes! And I think that the social distancing thing had a profound effect on people, there was a reason it was called social distancing and not physical distancing. People are more apathetic, less caring, and less sociable than ever before. It's sad. I moved over a year ago and I still don't know a single neighbor's name. Mind you, I live in a side-to-side townhouse complex.

You're right I'm slow on the news. I better go and update my social media profiles to let everyone know I support the right side in the brand-new Israel/Gaza conflict which never existed until October 7th  

You are so right. The whole thing has been rightly called a psyop and many on here appear to have been taken in by it. I remember writing a couple of years ago to say how dangerous these jabs were (clotting etc) and that people should be really careful about taking them. I was criticised roundly by some for saying this. And yet events have proved me right. As is often said now "I know of plenty who have regretted having this jab but no one who regrets NOT having it."I certainly don't. An interesting point you make about people wanting less social interaction...I've found that to be true and it's not a good tendency. I know both my neighbours on a friendly basis but I think that's partly because Mike on one side (he's a pharmacist) thinks like I do and also because they've lived there for about 6 years now, as has my other neighbour Michael. I honestly don't think people are as outgoing now. By the way good luck with deciding on the right side to support- many must be in an utter quandry about this now

[Ferrariman]

2 minutes ago, wolfie1996 said:

 "I know of plenty who have regretted having this jab but no one who regrets NOT having it."

I know a few. They live right next door to me. I listened to all the anti Vax bullshit they read on facebook. The government is spreading it, we're being microchipped, etc.,etc.  Well they finally got it, almost died from it and finally admitted they were wrong.  

I agree it's a matter of personal choice but as I said before, I hope for your sake, you never get it!.