The Ferrari Daytonas of Miami Vice

[reholmes]

wasnt the car color for the show a Midnight black' date=' hence the blue tint in some scenes? or is that just a generic term for black that gives off a blue tint under the right lighting circumstances?[/quote']Interestingly, Midnight Black cross references to the same GM code as Tuxedo Black.

[jurassic narc]

Interestingly' date=' Midnight Black cross references to the same GM code as Tuxedo Black.[/quote']Remember that the lighting and the filters often affected the cars color appearance on the show. Car 4 doesn't appear to me to have any blue tint (Camera Car may have an opinion on this). I think the surrounding lights (street lights, business signs, etc) and the lights for filming all could have contributed to the shading. But you'll notice that in all the daylight scenes the car was just a deep black with no noticable tint.

[Kavinsky]

Remember that the lighting and the filters often affected the cars color appearance on the show. Car 4 doesn't appear to me to have any blue tint (Camera Car may have an opinion on this). I think the surrounding lights (street lights' date=' business signs, etc) and the lights for filming all could have contributed to the shading. But you'll notice that in all the daylight scenes the car was just a deep black with no noticable tint.[/quote']I wouldn't say that, I remember in the voodo episode for S2, tales of the goat it seemed to have a faint blue glow to it

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCJoYoN7TuE

3:20the rowley I looked at here has a few daily driving shots of it where it has a blue tinthttp://www.photos-automobiles.com/shootings/ferrari_daytonaspyder/index.htmyour car looked it in certain shotshttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8129&stc=1&d=1372407274and Sonny's car after its paint resto treatment it gave off a distinct blue hue http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8130&stc=1&d=1372407277and I remember in one of the magazine articles cooper and burnett posted it was mentioned the car had some sort of black with blue metalic in it, a sort of midnight black according to the author, which kinda implies that author may have seen the car in person while they were shooting in Miami or one like italthough looking at your shot they do say black is one of those colors where it shows everythingmaybe its just reflecting the blue sky hence the blue tint? hell it is perfectly reflecting the clouds in this shot.....

[Sonny-Burnett]

and Sonny's car after its paint resto treatment it gave off a distinct blue hue http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8130&stc=1&d=1372407277

Trust me I never noticed any blue hues on my car. If you are seeing that in these shots then it must be either the camera lens or the surrounding reflections on the paint, perhaps from the blue sky. It is just a deep black as jurrassic stated, and a very glossy deep black at that.

[Sonny-Burnett]

Interesting article recapping the effect of the lawsuit against McBurnieHave a look here, from May 1989 : http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1989-05-18/topic/8905180292_1_ferrari-daytona-spyder-mcburnieFerrari Victory Forces End To Daytona Spyder ReplicarMay 18, 1989|By AUTOWEEKFerrari's victory against replicar maker Thomas McBurnie could turn the look-alike business on its ear.Ferrari SpA of Modena, Italy, prevailed in a suit against McBurnie Coachcraft of San Diego, obtaining an injunction forcing McBurnie to stop building his California Daytona Spyder - a copy of Ferrari's 365 GTB/4 Spyder.''This puts us manufacturers in a great position to go after replica makers,'' said Ferrari's lawyer, Thomas Kain.Judge Rudi Brewster ruled in Ferrari's favor after a jury of five men and one woman determined that the real Daytona Spyder was ''unique and distinctive.''However, McBurnie's attorney, Robert Rochelle of San Diego, said the jury found little ''likelihood of confusion'' between the cars because most people wouldn't recognize a real Ferrari anyway.Rochelle maintains the design of the original Spyder has little ''secondary meaning,'' a typical test for trademark infringement. He also said Ferrari never applied for a design patent on the Daytona, a car that has been out of production for 15 years.Kain said although the Daytona Spyder is out of production, the design deserved protection because of its uniqueness and because the company's promotions had kept it alive.Basically a rebodied Chevrolet Corvette, the California Daytona Spyder first became famous as actor Don Johnson's ''Ferrari'' on Miami Vice. McBurnie admitted to displaying his car with the Ferrari logo without the automaker's permission on at least one occasion, but Ferrari attorneys said this was not a central issue in the case.Regardless of the label, Ferrari argued the look-alike was an illegal copy because the general public was liable to confuse it with the real thing, thus cheapening Ferrari's public image.Original Ferrari Daytona Spyders have sold recently for more than $1 million.Ferrari introduced the Daytona 365 GTB/4 in Europe in 1969, but built only 127 Spyder versions (69 were sold in the United States) between 1972 and 1974. It was the last front-engined, 12-cylinder Ferrari Berlinetta and was replaced in the company lineup by the midengine Berlinetta Boxer 365 GT/4 BB.McBurnie is expected to seek a stay halting the injunction against his company, so he can continue to sell his California Daytona Spyder pending the outcome of the appeal.The company has seven distributors that sell the California Daytona Spyder kit for $8,000, or completed cars for $39,000 and up. Earlier, McBurnie said about 80 had been sold, with another 20 or so still in production.Note the last sentence in here, supporting what Jurassic had said earlier about the limited number of McBurnies built...apparently no more than 100 and possibly as few as 80.

[Kavinsky]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1989-05-18/topic/8905180292_1_ferrari-daytona-spyder-mcburnieFerrari Victory Forces End To Daytona Spyder ReplicarMay 18, 1989|By AUTOWEEKFerrari's victory against replicar maker Thomas McBurnie could turn the look-alike business on its ear.Ferrari SpA of Modena, Italy, prevailed in a suit against McBurnie Coachcraft of San Diego, obtaining an injunction forcing McBurnie to stop building his California Daytona Spyder - a copy of Ferrari's 365 GTB/4 Spyder.''This puts us manufacturers in a great position to go after replica makers,'' said Ferrari's lawyer, Thomas Kain.Judge Rudi Brewster ruled in Ferrari's favor after a jury of five men and one woman determined that the real Daytona Spyder was ''unique and distinctive.''However, McBurnie's attorney, Robert Rochelle of San Diego, said the jury found little ''likelihood of confusion'' between the cars because most people wouldn't recognize a real Ferrari anyway.Rochelle maintains the design of the original Spyder has little ''secondary meaning,'' a typical test for trademark infringement. He also said Ferrari never applied for a design patent on the Daytona, a car that has been out of production for 15 years.Kain said although the Daytona Spyder is out of production, the design deserved protection because of its uniqueness and because the company's promotions had kept it alive.Basically a rebodied Chevrolet Corvette, the California Daytona Spyder first became famous as actor Don Johnson's ''Ferrari'' on Miami Vice. McBurnie admitted to displaying his car with the Ferrari logo without the automaker's permission on at least one occasion, but Ferrari attorneys said this was not a central issue in the case.Regardless of the label, Ferrari argued the look-alike was an illegal copy because the general public was liable to confuse it with the real thing, thus cheapening Ferrari's public image.Original Ferrari Daytona Spyders have sold recently for more than $1 million.Ferrari introduced the Daytona 365 GTB/4 in Europe in 1969, but built only 127 Spyder versions (69 were sold in the United States) between 1972 and 1974. It was the last front-engined, 12-cylinder Ferrari Berlinetta and was replaced in the company lineup by the midengine Berlinetta Boxer 365 GT/4 BB.McBurnie is expected to seek a stay halting the injunction against his company, so he can continue to sell his California Daytona Spyder pending the outcome of the appeal.The company has seven distributors that sell the California Daytona Spyder kit for $8,000, or completed cars for $39,000 and up. Earlier, McBurnie said about 80 had been sold, with another 20 or so still in production.Note the last sentence in here, supporting what Jurassic had said earlier about the limited number of McBurnies built...apparently no more than 100 and possibly as few as 80.

But also keep in Mind Carl Roberts made his own and Rowley escaped the lawsuit by not putting the badges on the car afterwards and discouraging them from doing so. so maybe another 20 cars tops ontop of that 100 what if markFunny though that they described it as cheapening the image of the car, maybe after ferrari heard of the real numbers of how many they made they figured it wasnt worth going after Rowley.and also I'm kind of wondering if one of the other reasons they went after Carl Roberts was because in one of his advertisements he listed a replica testarossa. A car that was still in production until 1995.Also Hmm must be the color of the sky that seemed to be giving it that reflection then.

[Sonny-Burnett]

But also keep in Mind Carl Roberts made his own and Rowley escaped the lawsuit by not putting the badges on the car afterwards and discouraging them from doing so. so maybe another 20 cars tops ontop of that 100 what if mark.

Was only referring to the numbers of McBurnies built, consistent with what Jurassic was saying some months back. I wonder, though, whether the 80 to 100 referenced in that article means just turnkeys built at his shop, or all kits and turnkeys built at his shop, and whether the numbers included turnkeys and kits built by his other 7 distributors?? The number could have been stated to be intentionally vague, or maybe was just the author of the article not being specific. Maybe Jurassic or CameraDaytona can shed some light on that. I've no idea as to the numbers of Rowleys or Roberts cars made.

[Kavinsky]

I was just listening to this and I noted that this car in the photo seemed to have Vette Like seats to it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyLacrapYZY

so looked it up real quick and I think I may have found our shifter at 4:02

and it would fit, hell the door panels seem to be straight out of a vette to begin with.

[jurassic narc]

I was just listening to this and I noted that this car in the photo seemed to have Vette Like seats to it

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyLacrapYZY

so looked it up real quick and I think I may have found our shifter at 4:02

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgpWKp22J0U

and it would fit' date=' hell the door panels seem to be straight out of a vette to begin with.[/quote']While it's not uncommon for GM cars to share parts (the arm rests look identical) each vendor had their own unique twist. Don't know about the door panels, but the seats and shifter are not interchangable. I have a Firebird/Transam shifter knob in my car, but it is the skin removed and epoxied to the Corvette knob.The Firebird knob uses a locking pin and the Vette nob screws on.

[Kavinsky]

While it's not uncommon for GM cars to share parts (the arm rests look identical) each vendor had their own unique twist. Don't know about the door panels' date=' but the seats and shifter are not interchangable. I have a Firebird/Transam shifter knob in my car, but it is the skin removed and epoxied to the Corvette knob.The Firebird knob uses a locking pin and the Vette nob screws on.[/quote']ah thought maybe because of the generation gap and parrales between the Trans Am and the Corvette that maybe before the Knight Rider cars came along that maybe markadian could have taken it off of a 81 TA.I mean it does look like its just a simple push button on there.

[jurassic narc]

ah thought maybe because of the generation gap and parrales between the Trans Am and the Corvette that maybe before the Knight Rider cars came along that maybe markadian could have taken it off of a 81 TA.I mean it does look like its just a simple push button on there.

It looked simple when I bought one on EBay! I did make it work, but there was a lot of detail work to get the skin on the Vette knob. I still think the MV knob was an aftermarket that went away. I still look on EBay and think one will eventually turn up.Kavinsky is probably the one who will run across it. Work just keeps getting in the way of my car research.

[CameraDaytona]

Also Hmm must be the color of the sky that seemed to be giving it that reflection then.

I haven't seen any blue tint in the Daytona. I think you are right that we are seeing a reflection. Rather than enamel, I would guess that they used lacquer back in the early 80s. It's easier to use and more forgiving when fixing runs or other issues. I think lacquer was being replaced by urethanes as OEM paint for GM in the 82-83 time period, but I doubt that a low production shop would use a new paint system. (My 83 Riviera Convert has factory lacquer.) But reholmes probably knows more about this than I do.McBurnie told me that the number four car was the only one of the original four that was painted black. And I don't think it was a metallic black.

[Kavinsky]

I'll have to make a note to keep an eye out then with the shift knob, I usually dont check for that one honestly.wonder if it was just a custom though like the doors and the seats. and unfortunately in that interior shot of car 3 that you showed us that is the ONE thing that you cant see in that photo.gotta wonder if that one was a manual actually. Yeah when it comes to the paint and kind of paint that is not really my forte, but I do remember a Lamborghini Espada owner saying that his car which was a middle 70's car also had that kind of paint job and that he was going to have to get it redone eventually. and with Car 2 there it might have been repainted afterwards as we found that photo of it in blackand the interior does not line up with car 3 or 4

[CameraDaytona]

Here is a picture from a Yahoo story on "TV's Fastest and Furiousest" - (http://tv.yahoo.com/news/tv-s-fastest-and-furiousest-232223364.html) - page 4. I can't tell what the nose emblem is - it doesn't look exactly like the Ferrari emblem. Is this car 1 or car 4? The car has the visors but has the emblem mounted high with shiny screws on the headlight Plexiglas. I don't remember ever seeing this photo before. (Has anyone else seen it before?) I wonder where they got it.[ATTACH=CONFIG]8152[/ATTACH]

[Kavinsky]

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/tv-s-fastest-and-furiousest-232223364.html) - page 4. I can't tell what the nose emblem is - it doesn't look exactly like the Ferrari emblem. Is this car 1 or car 4? The car has the visors but has the emblem mounted high with shiny screws on the headlight Plexiglas. I don't remember ever seeing this photo before. (Has anyone else seen it before?) I wonder where they got it.[ATTACH=CONFIG]8152[/ATTACH]

Its your car in its season one rigging' date=' the dash is the giveaway, its one of the photos used for the magazine articles and the like. cooper and burnett has some of the photos of this photoshoot in his sectionand if you look close you can see the tape over the chrome there[img']http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8154&stc=1&d=1373269349not sure what the story with that is and why it was taped for the photoshoot thought. but you can see theres two little shine points in the photo where it is, dont quite know why the clothing changes in the shots below however, unless they did it on two different days with two takes with different clothing.

[Matt5]

Here is a picture from a Yahoo story on "TV's Fastest and Furiousest" - (http://tv.yahoo.com/news/tv-s-fastest-and-furiousest-232223364.html) - page 4. I can't tell what the nose emblem is - it doesn't look exactly like the Ferrari emblem. Is this car 1 or car 4? The car has the visors but has the emblem mounted high with shiny screws on the headlight Plexiglas. I don't remember ever seeing this photo before. (Has anyone else seen it before?) I wonder where they got it.[ATTACH=CONFIG]8152[/ATTACH]

Fantastic .Shot outside "Big Splash " near Aventura Mall :thumbsup:

[jurassic narc]

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/tv-s-fastest-and-furiousest-232223364.html) - page 4. I can't tell what the nose emblem is - it doesn't look exactly like the Ferrari emblem. Is this car 1 or car 4? The car has the visors but has the emblem mounted high with shiny screws on the headlight Plexiglas. I don't remember ever seeing this photo before. (Has anyone else seen it before?) I wonder where they got it.[ATTACH=CONFIG]8152[/ATTACH]

This is an early NBC promo shot of Car 4 as the series was spooling up. There are a couple of other angles avaiable' date=' but the site where they are sold was, I thought, limited to media. The address is:[url']https://nbcuphotobank.com/sales/home.php

[Kavinsky]

I found some interesting things here, I was watching my classic car, an episode where they had a '68 Shelby GT500 KR and a 1967 Chevelle Convertible and advertisement ran for this website and I found some interesting things on it that could help you guys here.Console Side panels to use on them to somewhat mimic the custom leather work on the daytona's transmision tunnel http://www.parts123.com/parts123/yb.dll?parta~dyndetail~Z5Z5Z50000050g~Z5Z5Z529975~P99.95~~~~S3U5033R3L17348116751d~Z5Z5Z5~Z5Z5Z50000050Ghttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5832&d=1335318476The dash pad assembly for the 1978 to 1982's which is what Sonny was looking for with his carhttp://www.parts123.com/parts123/yb.dll?parta~dyndetail~Z5Z5Z50000050g~Z5Z5Z512609~P499.95~~~~S3U5033R3L17348116751d~Z5Z5Z5~Z5Z5Z50000050GNo luck finding any sort of a non factory shift knob for the auto though and I'm not sure of the colors on these, there's carmel but no light beige or light carmel, but at the very least the first one could be used as a template for the transmission tunnel leather. funny thing is though theres 3 kits for dressing up the center console there, and well it just shows you that when they put the burlwood on the vice car they really did a great job with ithttp://www.parts123.com/parts123/yb.dll?parta~dyndetail~Z5Z5Z50000050g~Z5Z5Z512543~P169.95~~~~S3U50TS4YG72932313250g~Z5Z5Z5~Z5Z5Z50000050Ghttp://www.parts123.com/parts123/yb.dll?parta~dyndetail~Z5Z5Z50000050g~Z5Z5Z512535~P169.95~~~~S3U50TS4YG72932313250g~Z5Z5Z5~Z5Z5Z50000050Gvs there with the kit where they just pretty much put a wood cap over the entire center console with no cuts for the, I guess you could say grout lines like on a floor actually hold on a tic, did the vice car have two extra pieces put on the dash here, around the frame of the area for the consoles instruments?http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8162&stc=1&d=1374430704http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8163&stc=1&d=1374430706as these as they stick our rather than be flush with the rest of the console here like on the stock one with that wood dress up kit here, the same one listed therewhich seems to have the black plastic lines of the 78 console sticking out all around it, like a black border or such, while the vice car does not have that.

[Sonny-Burnett]

Question for Daytona owners with Stewart Warner Gauge ClustersFor anyone familiar with this gauge cluster I'd appreciate comments on identifying the lower colored lamp indicators, 2 amber and 2 red. I have an intermittent red on the lower left red bulb and can't identify the cause.Thanks. [ATTACH=CONFIG]8187[/ATTACH]

[reholmes]

LightWell, I thought I answered this, but somehow it didn't show in the thread--if this is a repeat, please excuse.I don’t have this cluster, but I do have SW gauges. I suspect the light is your high temp warning light as it is next to the temp gauge. I had a problem with the light coming on at about 195F when it is supposed to come on at 257F. The sensor/sending unit is common for the light and the gauge—two wires, one green, one green with a yellow stripe. It is located at the front top of the engine near the fan. If you unplug the sensor/sender you should get a steady light and no gauge reading—be sure and depress the latch on the plug. The unit is cheap so replacement is not a big deal. Be sure to let the engine cool completely before removing the s/s to avoid burning your fingers, and also as the engine cools there is a partial vacuum created in the cooling system and this will help you avoid losing any coolant.

[Sonny-Burnett]

Well' date=' I thought I answered this, but somehow it didn't show in the thread--if this is a repeat, please excuse.I don’t have this cluster, but I do have SW gauges. I suspect the light is your high temp warning light as it is next to the temp gauge. I had a problem with the light coming on at about 195F when it is supposed to come on at 257F. The sensor/sending unit is common for the light and the gauge—two wires, one green, one green with a yellow stripe. It is located at the front top of the engine near the fan. If you unplug the sensor/sender you should get a steady light and no gauge reading—be sure and depress the latch on the plug. The unit is cheap so replacement is not a big deal. Be sure to let the engine cool completely before removing the s/s to avoid burning your fingers, and also as the engine cools there is a partial vacuum created in the cooling system and this will help you avoid losing any coolant.[/quote']Thanks for your reply and yes, the small gauge to the left of the lower lamps is the water temp gauge, and it reads around 180F in the photo while I was idling the engine. Pretty normal for that car and is not even at the 195F temp where the secondary fan would thermostatically kick on. So not sure why the red lamp would come on as the temp of the coolant was pretty low?I'll have to take a look for the wires you're referencing to see if I can get the lamp to glow steadily. Perhaps a fault in the sensor?I know one of the red lamps is related to brakes, as when I first bought the car and drove it home from out of state, a red lamp lit most of the way home. I later learned it was because of the master cylinder failing. But of course I did not record WHICH red lamp was lit so now I cannot recall. So if your lamp should come on at 257F that seems very hot to me for engine coolant temp.Would think that could be in the danger range for operating temps?When I had my thermostat replaced the Vette shop told me that they recommended 195F as the kick on point for the electric fan to keep the engine temps in the 185 to 220 operating range. As to the other amber lenses, one I think is Check Engine (the leftmost lamp) as when I start the car in cool weather it idles very fast for some time and the Amber lamp glows steadily until I kick the accelerator down. The other amber lamp is a mystery to me.

[reholmes]

Be aware that the temp gauge/high temp light sensor/sender is unique to the light and gauge and NOT the sensor that controls the radiator fans via the ECM.

[Kavinsky]

it might not be such a bad idea to get a black and white label maker and label the lights after you have this all sorted out, or write it down on a piece of paper somewhere and stick it in the glove boxand my car idles high in cold temperature as well actually, it sits at about 2000 RPM until it settles down after about 30 to 60 seconds to about 800/900 RPM giving me plenty of time to fiddle with the radio.when its warm though sometimes it just starts up at 1G and then settled down to that same point so I think this was done to make sure that the oil gets pumped into the engine before pulling away, and thus its intentional and built in.

[Matt5]

it might not be such a bad idea to get a black and white label maker and label the lights after you have this all sorted out' date=' or write it down on a piece of paper somewhere and stick it in the glove boxand my car idles high in cold temperature as well actually, it sits at about 2000 RPM until it settles down after about 30 to 60 seconds to about 800/900 RPM giving me plenty of time to fiddle with the radio.when its warm though sometimes it just starts up at 1G and then settled down to that same point so I think this was done to make sure that the oil gets pumped into the engine before pulling away, and thus its intentional and built in.[/quote']Thats some good ideas

[reholmes]

Aw com'on guys--garp up that beautiful cluster? If you really need them labeled--which you won't after a short time, remove the fascia and have the labels engraved, or at least go to someplace like Things Remembered in the shopping mall and have little plates engraved