My plans for my Daytona replica

[jurassic narc]

The cone mirrors that originally came with my car are matte black as they are made of rigid plastic rather than metal. So it appears the car here may have the same one as mine. No I don't believe vintage Carello lenses are yellow but are amber in color (kind of an orange/yellow but more of a gold color) and my lenses are vintage Carello. Maybe we are talking semantics here or possibly could be some darkening with age as my lenses are now at least 24 years old and those in the show run were much newer. Don't think too much has changed in coloration though. Mine look identical to all the pics I've seen of Car 4 in any case. [ATTACH=CONFIG]5679[/ATTACH]Jurassic or CameraDaytona can confirm this but believe I'm correct in that the amber are only for running lights and are always on (when the lights are on)' date=' while the red are for breaking and turn signals. I will change mine to lineup with Car 4 as it was used in the show at some point as my goal is to get as close to the look of the car as it was used in the show. One significant exception may be the headlight doors (thinking of keeping them) as I do think they add to the streamlined look when closed and the lights are not in use.[/quote']The red lights are brakes only (at least on my car). The amber are for running (or parking) lights and alsp are the turn signal indicators. If the red lights were the brake and the turn indicators it would be hard to tell if you are slowing to make a turn.

[jurassic narc]

I must say...the placement of the marker lights on the quarter panels are etrocious!!! YUK!Is that a European thing? That is DEFINITELY not the placement for the lights.

That is actually the American version of the side marker light on the rear. Never have been fond of it myself, and the tail lights on the American version are all red.

[Sonny-Burnett]

That is actually the American version of the side marker light on the rear. Never have been fond of it myself' date=' and the tail lights on the American version are all red.[/quote']And the higher placement of the rear marker lights is more like the genuine Ferrari version as well.

[Sonny-Burnett]

The red lights are brakes only (at least on my car). The amber are for running (or parking) lights and alsp are the turn signal indicators. If the red lights were the brake and the turn indicators it would be hard to tell if you are slowing to make a turn.

Ah ok so I am remembering wrong on the amber turn signal. So the center placement ambers are for both turn and running. I can recall scenes where the ambers are on and the reds lit when braking but not recalling seeing the turn signals in use. Have to recheck some episodes. Well I have had domestic cars in the past where the red is both a brake and turn signal. When turn signal is on the red would just flash on and off while the other side would be on for braking. Could be and probably was confusing when turning to know if I was slowing .

[Kavinsky]

Yeah' date=' I also wish there were more photos of that beauty. It is a very good price, 29.000 Euros, years ago they had cost about 40.000 Euro. You think the mirror had a flat black paint? I don't know exactly, but so it looks like it is the original chrome one of the real Daytona.Wish I had the money and space to get it.[/quote']yeah if you look close it looks like the mirror itself not its base is covered, almost like its covered in vinyl. not actually paint as its almost a matt black covering of of some sort yet it doesnt look like normal paint.almost like he wanted to make the mirrors look like the vice cars matt black mirrors except with the original style mirrors the daytona had which makes sense as its sort of its own hybrid of the vice and the real car.

I must say...the placement of the marker lights on the quarter panels are etrocious!!! YUK!Is that a European thing? That is DEFINITELY not the placement for the lights.

indeed but he did his best with it though as well I've seen one that looks even worse because of the angle:and I have actually come across daytonas' date=' conversions namely without that light on the rear quarter panels and it looks better than the normal ones with it[img']http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5680&stc=1&d=1334468612also I did find that countach photo with the actual daytona againhttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5681&stc=1&d=1334468668and as you can see the daytona sits higher than the countach.

No I don't believe vintage Carello lenses are yellow but are amber in color (kind of an orange/yellow but more of a gold color) and my lenses are vintage Carello. Maybe we are talking semantics here or possibly could be some darkening with age as my lenses are now at least 24 years old and those in the show run were much newer. Don't think too much has changed in coloration though. Mine look identical to all the pics I've seen of Car 4 in any case. [ATTACH=CONFIG]5679[/ATTACH]Jurassic or CameraDaytona can confirm this but believe I'm correct in that the amber are only for running lights and are always on (when the lights are on)' date=' while the red are for breaking and turn signals. I will change mine to lineup with Car 4 as it was used in the show at some point as my goal is to get as close to the look of the car as it was used in the show. One significant exception may be the headlight doors (thinking of keeping them) as I do think they add to the streamlined look when closed and the lights are not in use.[/quote']yeah honestly I really like the look of the headlight doors on your car and the rowley:http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5684&stc=1&d=1334469602http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5683&stc=1&d=1334469600although I wouldnt have someone sink it further into the nose like on the rowley if you move it down as it looks much better when its completely level and sitting on the nose rather than sunk in like on the fiero seat replica we found a few weeks agohttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5682&stc=1&d=1334469500although I still want to try and get that inbetween of the night shots of S1 with the vice car and the daytime shots of S2 using the volo cars white plexyglass as I really love the night shots of the daytona from S1 with the nose fully lit up because of the chrome light amplifyer on italthough If I get an example with the doors I'm going to hold onto them once I try that as if I dont like that I'll go for the doors mixed in with the lightly smoked plexyglass sitting ontop of them and some high intensity white headlights to try and get the same effect.

[Kavinsky]

Now with the mirrors this is pretty much thee perfect shot if your looking to replicate the placement of the door handles and the mirrors the vice car hadhttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5689&stc=1&d=1334470732Now one of the things I've noticed on a few of the replicas I've liked is that they actually have the mirrors which are usually either similar or a different kind to what the vice car hashttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5685&stc=1&d=1334470726http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5686&stc=1&d=1334470728http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5688&stc=1&d=1334470731except that there further back and I kind of like that better than what the vice car hadSo what I want to shoot for is to have them an inch or so back so that the top of the mirror when its a 100% upright and horizontally flat its behind the windshield fully as to make it look as sleak and balanced as the cars with the smaller mirrorsthe vice car vs one with the smaller mirrors like on the rowleyhttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5687&stc=1&d=1334470729as at some angles it kind of makes it seem a touch front heavy almost having them that far forwardand at certain shots makes it oddly stick out because of how far forward it isand from the sidehttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5690&stc=1&d=1334470788http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5691&stc=1&d=1334470790like on one of the old Toyota 2000 Gt's or the miura from the 60's

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and that was one of the things I liked about the rowley car even though the mirrors look kind of flimsy from the frontthere further back and behind the windshieldand I just kind of like that more balanced look on it mixed in with the rowley headrests and I like that there painted Midnight black too on this example.pretty much just put the tornado mirrors on this one herehttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5700&stc=1&d=1334476394

[Kavinsky]

and also I first thought of that when watching the hidden car chase here with a 308

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as at the begining its got the tornado mirrors on it and there further back behind the windshield than the turbo mirrors the car has for the rest of the chase and line up with the back of the vent windows similar to the way it was rigged up on the actual daytona in the pilotso the other thing I was thinking is that how exactly would they look if they were at the same height as the door handles maybe like here:http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5692&stc=1&d=1334474072or even just leave them in the same place they are on the vice car and just lower them, its one of the things I'd going to try. although not in the typical sense as what I'm thinking is that I might be able to try out these different positions by covering those spots with masking tape and putting masking tape all over the bottom of the mirror and over the base to connect it as a way to test fit them using a level of some sort to make sure its properly test fittedthe kind you use to mount scopes and make sure things are sitting level that you can buy as part of a keychain, construction workers use them all the timeand then tape it on and see how they look from afar, although I'd put some sort of pillows down as to make sure if the tape isnt enough to hold it I dont damage the mirror and also I'd make sure to put enough on the base as not to mar the carand once I get it about right put electrical tape over it to see how it would really look if I just cant imagine it and then mark it off on the masking tape and well the work begins after pondering it over for abit.also a few other minor things there was another reason why I was looking at 308's as well one of the ideas I had was to go with the turn signals of the 308 (and other pre 1984 ferrari's) as to negate the need for a separate reverse light:http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5693&stc=1&d=1334474130although honestly I'm not sure if its the blacked out housing of the latter ferrari's or what but I cant imagine the daytona with those on it but oddly when its reversed like on the vice car in the show and on a black one it kind of works, so maybe with a retrofitted chrome housing it could workhttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5694&stc=1&d=1334475288and the other thing is well I'm kind of curious if these other mirrors would work on it that were the OEM mirrors for the 1981 308's:made by UniElektra, part number 60812800 as there abit thinner than the tornado mirrors and dont have that brim to it, but they are arched. however I dont quite know if there paintabile like the vice tornado mirrors are:http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5697&stc=1&d=1334476008and actually the owners of the 308s have just about the same amount of ideas as the replica owners as well when it comes to what mirrors would look best on there own personal cars as well its all over the place and hell I found someone who actually used the C3 painted mirrors on his car just like one of the daytona replicas.http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5695&stc=1&d=1334475290http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5696&stc=1&d=1334475292so its kind of a funny parallel although honestly after looking at the other mirrors I dont think the ferrari chrome mirrors of the earlier cars would work with the replicas because of the windshield shape.http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5699&stc=1&d=1334476392http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5698&stc=1&d=1334476391http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5701&stc=1&d=1334476395although they might work with the 308's if there blacked out and would probably be a far better alternative to the C3 and turbo mirrors.

[Kavinsky]

and that's the other thing I'm going to drop the idea of going with the Camaro and Vette mirrors as with the camaro its mounted right next to the windshield frame and the windshield frame is much lower and laid back on it and when thats done on the replicas unless its done with the tornado mirrors http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5685&stc=1&d=1334470726it just doesnt look right as the windshield frame is higher than on the 5th and 6th gen vette and the camarohttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5701&stc=1&d=1334476395not bad but just kind of iffy on that one above hereplus the C3, C5 and C6 mirrors just dont look right:http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5695&stc=1&d=1334475290http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5704&stc=1&d=1334477057(I dont know why though but on the above one here it does look a little better, probably because of the low light)http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5702&stc=1&d=1334477031http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5703&stc=1&d=1334477033although the square C3 mirrors of the cars proper era do look good on it:http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5705&stc=1&d=1334477597http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5706&stc=1&d=1334477598and the reason as to why they were rased on the normal C3 is simply so you could clear the humped back end otherwise all you see is pure fenderhttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5707&stc=1&d=1334478126something the replicas dont need as the back is as flat as a poker table:http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5708&stc=1&d=1334478146Actually could probably do like that guy did with the foreign black one and have only one mirror on the left just like they did with the testarossa for S3 as it does kinda work on it in an oddly charming waySo basically the three choices are the Tornado/Baby Tornado's, The UniElektra mirrors part number 60812800 and the square C3 chrome mirrors. those are the 3 that should work and all of them were made around the the time the cars came out.a time when aerodynamics didnt shape everything so it actually looked good rather than being pure function over style like everything is now and like the C4, C5, C6 and Camaro mirrors arelooking at the photo there from bought and paid for there its kind of funny though to think that the countach has the aerodynamics of a brick hence why it never reached 200 mph despite how much HP they gave italso with this photo here this pretty much shows what I want to do to the chrome trim on the daytona:http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5689&stc=1&d=1334470732I just want it to be abit more subtile and not stick out so much which I think was caused by the damage the windshield trim took from the bought and paid for chase when it clipped the toll booth gate, hell basically go for some sort of a black stainless like look for it although I dont know how you even create black stainless nor if its possibile to treat it like that as the only example I know of is it being on a springfield 1911 from a few years ago:

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and I think this is some sort of a coating, always kind of fasinated me but I never looked into as springfield 1911's cant be brought into MA because of the atorney general's BS gun drop tests that he uses to keep as many guns out as possibile.

[Kavinsky]

More photos.

[Tom Peps]

All I can say is, I like the big ones better. They fit more to the Daytona design then the small round ones. But, they really should be on position 2 or 3 as you marked on one photo.

[Kavinsky]

Indeed and actually with the mirrors that far forward they did actually suit the filming very well as well it allowed them to do close ups without the mirrors in the way like here http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5712&stc=1&d=1334555468 and as a matter of fact they didnt even show up at all during the pilot close up in the daytime because they were angled out of the way and I swear sometimes, once in a blue moon it looks like they removed the mirrors all togetherhttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5713&stc=1&d=1334555469so while its not my taste and I think personally it looks a little top heavy it did suit filming very well along with the proped up tonau cover so it wouldnt catch on the camera righttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5715&stc=1&d=1334555472and with the tail pipes being pushed together to act as a support for the aft camera rig in S2http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5714&stc=1&d=1334555471so while I think it looks a little odd it did serve its purpose and I kind of wonder if that's the same reason they ordered a testarossa with a single A pillar mirror on it as I believe that wasnt standard and was rather actually an option to do soI have to admit though I've got kind of a nagging idea, I've always though you know I wonder if it would be possibile to use the base of these mirrors, the vilatoni californian mirrors if I remember correctlyhttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5687&stc=1&d=1334470729and then use the turbo mirror itself minus its mount and drill and tap it and see if it could be mounted on the californians base just to see what it would look like and if it would be a good inbetween of the two as well the mirror itself on the californian looks kind of flimsy yet the base looks goodand then with the turbo mirrors the mirror itself looks good but the base just looks wrong on the car as its too thick and too close to the car and its windshield to look righthttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5716&stc=1&d=1334556003and this car basically has the same mirrors just mounted further down and if it could just be proped up like the tornados it would look finehttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5700&stc=1&d=1334476394yet it looks nice from the inside at that position, kinda weirdso I'm kind of thinking the californains base to get it away from the top of the door as the windshield isnt low slung enough to make it look good like it does on the countach http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5717&stc=1&d=1334556747and the turbo mirror on its basealso forgot to mention something obivious when drilling for the mirror in you need to take the door panel off and get the glass out of the way to properly seal its base just incase someone willy nilly reading it decides to try it without researching how to do properly.

[Tom Peps]

The "turbo mirrors" looking good on the Countach, but on the Daytona they look like ugly Fiat Panda mirrors as the 512 BB had them too or similar ones.I do like the square C3 mirrors and the 308 mirrors.Right now I can't remember if the rear lights were all red on the Vice Burnie or two were red and the others were orange.

[Sonny-Burnett]

Right now I can't remember if the rear lights were all red on the Vice Burnie or two were red and the others were orange.

Car 4 had 2 red and 2 amber. [ATTACH=CONFIG]5731[/ATTACH]

[Sonny-Burnett]

I have to admit though I've got kind of a nagging idea' date=' I've always though you know I wonder if it would be possibile to use the base of these mirrors, the vilatoni californian mirrors if I remember correctlyalso forgot to mention something obivious when drilling for the mirror in you need to take the door panel off and get the glass out of the way to properly seal its base just incase someone willy nilly reading it decides to try it without researching how to do properly.[/quote']Forgot to mention a couple things about the mirrors. The original small conical mirrors (such as those on the genuine Daytona in the pilot ep) are very similar to the ones that first came with my car. I found them to have an extremely small field of view and were outright dangerous to drive with, especially if you drive fast and make frequent lane changes like I have been known to do. When I acquired the Baby Tornados I found that the mounts would fit nicely into the original screw holes that were already there from the conical mirrors so all I had to do was mount the base into the old screw holes. I wouldn't worry too much about window glass as the mounting screws really are small and do not penetrate into the door panel far at all. The field of view in the Tornados is excellent and I ordered a standard blue tint for the driver side and a convex blue tint for the passenger side for greater field of view. However one of them doesn't hold well at high speeds but I solved that with some loctite. Mine are pretty much mounted exactly like those on Car 4.

[jurassic narc]

Car 4 had 2 red and 2 amber. [ATTACH=CONFIG]5731[/ATTACH]

All the evidence indicates that Car 4 was originally built with the Amber lights on the inside and the Red lights on the outside. One photo is believed to exist prior to the conversion to the Faux Ferrari style of the Car in the pilot. Kavinsky has said in the past that the car (4) had all red lights on the rear, but I think he is basing that on the scene where the car is driven across the I-95 connector at the end of the pilot. In that scene the driver seems to be riding the brakes, and it would be hard to distinguish the colors as the brake lights should overpower the marker lights. The scene at Benrays has the car sitting with the lights on and the amber color is noticable.I have yet to find a picture of Car 1 prior to Miami Vice, but the pictures in the McBurnie Construction manual could be Car 1. They are in black and white and there is no way to tell about the color of the lights. The car does have a slightly modified 78-82 dash, but that would be consitent with the custom gauges that Mardikian added (top speed 240!).

[jurassic narc]

http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5687&stc=1&d=1334470729.

I do like the Rowley Visor mounts, seen here. The regular Corvette mounts would eventually allow the visors to drop in your way, and they would not stay up. I would guess that is why they are gone by the end of Season Two.

[Kavinsky]

Forgot to mention a couple things about the mirrors. The original small conical mirrors (such as those on the genuine Daytona in the pilot ep) are very similar to the ones that first came with my car. I found them to have an extremely small field of view and were outright dangerous to drive with' date=' especially if you drive fast and make frequent lane changes like I have been known to do. When I acquired the Baby Tornados I found that the mounts would fit nicely into the original screw holes that were already there from the conical mirrors so all I had to do was mount the base into the old screw holes. I wouldn't worry too much about window glass as the mounting screws really are small and do not penetrate into the door panel far at all. The field of view in the Tornados is excellent and I ordered a standard blue tint for the driver side and a convex blue tint for the passenger side for greater field of view. However one of them doesn't hold well at high speeds but I solved that with some loctite. Mine are pretty much mounted exactly like those on Car 4.[/quote']yeah not to mention the amount of reflection the paint would give or gives in that photo towards the driver, plus how far away it is from the top of the doors on the replica. While on the actual one it was pretty much right next to the top of the door and the vent window as the actual car didnt have that much of a lip on itmakes me kinda wonder how the actual daytona would look with tornados on it actually.and with the mounting holes that makes sense for the same reason as I think the doors were significantly widened to straighten the doors out for the replicas but I just wanted to say that as a cover your butt kinda thing as with the 308's the doors are a great deal thinner and well you just never know if someone might read that willy nilly and try that on a car with really thin doors and then comes back to complain when he breaks the glass or one of the door mechanisims and yeah that's the funny thing when it comes to function the square mirrors are the way to go no doubt, plus they do match the square headlights and actually they do look good on the hidden 308 there but I think it wasn't actually the shape that got me wanting to try the C5 mirrors as it was rather the placement as like I said to me personally it makes it look a little top heavy that far forward and the turbo and californian mirrors sit significantly lower than the tornados when mounted at the same location.although I dont know just how much of a size difference there is between the full size and baby tornados.but when its its painted with the arched front end it really doesnt look that square on that black 308 there and I really like the look when there angled back as it gives it a nice swooped back look to it like the turbo mirrors look like sometimes so I do want to give it a shotits just that well I dont know how the tornados will look that far back, if it will seem like there too thick which means I'd have to go with the 308 mirrors or if I want to go with the chrome C3 ones.

All the evidence indicates that Car 4 was originally built with the Amber lights on the inside and the Red lights on the outside. One photo is believed to exist prior to the conversion to the Faux Ferrari style of the Car in the pilot. Kavinsky has said in the past that the car (4) had all red lights on the rear' date=' but I think he is basing that on the scene where the car is driven across the I-95 connector at the end of the pilot. In that scene the driver seems to be riding the brakes, and it would be hard to distinguish the colors as the brake lights should overpower the marker lights. The scene at Benrays has the car sitting with the lights on and the amber color is noticable.I have yet to find a picture of Car 1 prior to Miami Vice, but the pictures in the McBurnie Construction manual could be Car 1. They are in black and white and there is no way to tell about the color of the lights. The car does have a slightly modified 78-82 dash, but that would be consitent with the custom gauges that Mardikian added (top speed 240!).[/quote']actually I wonder if its possibile if even in the pilot car 4 was having light housing troubles as I remember during the final episode of S1 the amber lights went out at the toll booth at 1:54

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and kind of funny about that 240 thing, looking at coopers scrap book there it does have magazine clippings that mentioned the thinking behind that as it says its got gale banks turbochargersalthough realistically going by the example of the 1980 audi ur quattro which had a single turbo and a 5 cylinder motor thats only about an extra 30 horsepower, bringing it to 200 from 170 hp with the stock motor for the quattro. not 500 as would be needed to throw the car towards that theoredical top speed asuming it doesnt do a lamborghini miura and lift off like an aircraft first

I do like the Rowley Visor mounts' date=' seen here. The regular Corvette mounts would eventually allow the visors to drop in your way, and they would not stay up. I would guess that is why they are gone by the end of Season Two.[/quote']yeah they do look a hell of alot cleaner although I think it might look better and probably be more effective if it was put upside down or further up and maybe further to the left as it looks a touch too close to the driver for comfort.http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5687&stc=1&d=1334470729

[Sonny-Burnett]

so the other thing I was thinking is that how exactly would they look if they were at the same height as the door handles maybe like here:http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5692&stc=1&d=1334474072or even just leave them in the same place they are on the vice car and just lower them' date=' its one of the things I'd going to try. although not in the typical sense as what I'm thinking is that I might be able to try out these different positions by covering those spots with masking tape and putting masking tape all over the bottom of the mirror and over the base to connect it as a way to test fit them using a level of some sort to make sure its properly test fitted[/quote']I really think the position the mirrors are in is the only one that will work. You need to sit in the car to see what I mean because if you move them back at all then you really won't get the side view of traffic you need and if you move the seat forward you won't get any field of view imo (you will be looking sideways at the mirror). I wanted them as far forward as possible to give me the best field of view and I do think they look better as mounted in Car4 in your picture. I was limited as to how far forward I could go by both the mounting bracket and by the corner of the windshield frame on the passenger side, and I have my seat all the way back. The mount on the Tornados actually allows a little movement forward or backward to suit your taste anyway.

[Tom Peps]

I think the forward position on the Burnie is because of the Daytonas original triangle windows as it had, right?Look at the 911 G-Modell. I had one a few years ago. The mirrors were mounted asymmetrically, because of the triangle windows, to have a better view to your back.Here you had the chance to see, what would look better. Left mirrorRight mirror

[Sonny-Burnett]

Left mirrorRight mirror

I'm really not sure about why the mirrors on the McBurnie were mounted in that position. I can guess that the reason may be that the passenger mirror placement cannot be any further forward than it is or you would not be able to see it because of the windshield placement. And I think the mirrors on Car 4 are placed symmetrically directly across from one another. I know my mounting holes are aligned across from one another as well. So the passenger mirror placement would determine the driver's side placement if you wanted symmetry. Nice pics of the 911. It appears to me that in the first shot your driver's side mirror is actually mounted a bit forward of where the Daytona mirror placement is. Not sure about the passenger side of the white car. The passenger mirror on the black car seems to be in about the same place as that of the Daytona.

[Tom Peps]

Here you can see one of my 1:18 models with the asymmetrical mirrors, from above:It is funny, because when you sit inside the Porsche, it looks like the mirrors mounted on exactly one position outside, because you can see them complete through the triangle windows. So at first I never noticed they where mounted asymmetrically.

[Sonny-Burnett]

It is funny, because when you sit inside the Porsche, it looks like the mirrors mounted on exactly one position outside, because you can see them complete through the triangle windows. So at first I never noticed they where mounted asymmetrically.

Very interesting. This is the first I have seen of such placement of mirrors, but maybe it is more common than I thought. And having the mirrors more forward as you show on the driver's side would increase the field of view, especially with the seat in the farthest back position. Yes I can see now how the side vents would block the view on this car and likely on the actual Daytona 365GTB. In seeing where Kavinsky was looking to move the driver's mirror further back (think was positions 2 and 3) I think that would severely restrict the driver's field of view. Further forward is how I would go, restricted only by the windshield frame and the desire to be symmetric or not.

[jurassic narc]

actually I wonder if its possibile if even in the pilot car 4 was having light housing troubles as I remember during the final episode of S1 the amber lights went out at the toll booth at 1:54

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The cars were built by McBurnie using Corvette bulb sockets' date=' which could be forced to fit in the Ferrari housings. One of the things Carl Roberts did was to change over to Ferrari sockets (see the picture of the inside of Car 4's Trunk).I am not sure what else Carl's shop may have done. Carl's brother was one of the driving forces in the hands on work to the cars. He passed away several years ago, and Carl doesn't seem to have a great handle on what changes his shop made. But the socket change was one thing I did very early, as I had the same problem with the bulbs dropping into the trunk.[ATTACH=CONFIG']5791[/ATTACH]

[Kavinsky]

I really think the position the mirrors are in is the only one that will work. You need to sit in the car to see what I mean because if you move them back at all then you really won't get the side view of traffic you need and if you move the seat forward you won't get any field of view imo (you will be looking sideways at the mirror). I wanted them as far forward as possible to give me the best field of view and I do think they look better as mounted in Car4 in your picture. I was limited as to how far forward I could go by both the mounting bracket and by the corner of the windshield frame on the passenger side' date=' and I have my seat all the way back. The mount on the Tornados actually allows a little movement forward or backward to suit your taste anyway.[/quote']well that's one of the reasons why I thought of maybe putting it that far forward but only lower as an option, number one on the chart herehttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5692&stc=1&d=1334474072 about the same height as the door handle on the outside as well it would look more or less the same as it did on the vice car from the long distance shotshttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5793&stc=1&d=1335064429 just lower and more flush with the body as at high and low shots like the Florance italy shotthe pilothttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5792&stc=1&d=1335064427this one at the begining

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and actually the video of the volo car that literally just poped up about a day ago on my radar

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it looks a little high up on the car and well jurrasics and that red mcburnie http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5685&stc=1&d=1334470726proved that where ever the tornado mirrors are they do look good on it high up so why not simply further down to make it so its as high up on the car as the lower californians and the turbos normally sit?http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5687&stc=1&d=1334470729I mean I think it would still allow the mirrors to do there job, look like they did in the pilot more or less from that famous side shot and some how seem a little bit more sleak on the thing as you can see that where his hand sits is where the bottom is, meaning its an inch above the side of the door here so I'd simply be centering it in a way. either that or go with the baby tornados from the getgo although honestly I have no idea what the size difference between the full tornado mirrors and the baby tornados are

I think the forward position on the Burnie is because of the Daytonas original triangle windows as it had' date=' right?Look at the 911 G-Modell. I had one a few years ago. The mirrors were mounted asymmetrically, because of the triangle windows, to have a better view to your back.Here you had the chance to see, what would look better. ;)Left mirrorRight mirror

well that's possibile that it was an indication of the car that they used as the basis for the molds but as Sonny said it might have simply been whatever worked as well the door panels stick out more from the car on the replicas than on the actual car, along with the windshield frame being thinner and higher up so they may have had to have gone with that on the flyand yeah that was one of the things I noticed about the porsches of that time period too its just that I dont think those mirrors would work on it so I never brought it up

The cars were built by McBurnie using Corvette bulb sockets' date=' which could be forced to fit in the Ferrari housings. One of the things Carl Roberts did was to change over to Ferrari sockets (see the picture of the inside of Car 4's Trunk).I am not sure what else Carl's shop may have done. Carl's brother was one of the driving forces in the hands on work to the cars. He passed away several years ago, and Carl doesn't seem to have a great handle on what changes his shop made. But the socket change was one thing I did very early, as I had the same problem with the bulbs dropping into the trunk.[/quote']so was it him who did the refits to car 4 after the show ended or was that carl himself or was that the owner before camera, not carl?I mean whoever put the rowley corvette door panels on car 4 knew what they were doing as they reinforced the grab handle which has come off on other corvettes from basic wear and tear on the normal door panels along with changing up the interior so the black carpet on the back of the seats doesnt even show up anymore when the seats are in there normal position and also the interior now has a black and silver like motif that matches the new wheel spinnersalthough I'm still quite puzzled as to why the grill never got fixed/remounted nor refinished to get the shine back on it to look like it did back in 84/85 after its retirement when it sat further back in the nose before it got banged upwards and warped forward from the buddies chase scene and slightly warped on the left side and in the middle from the look of ithttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5797&stc=1&d=1335066653http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5796&stc=1&d=1335066450http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5798&stc=1&d=1335067255Vs S3 and post retirementhttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5795&stc=1&d=1335066448http://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5794&stc=1&d=1335066447and that's one of the things I noticed when looking at the early photos of it, it is arched but in the begining it had a lip to it like on the actual cars and it was definitely further back during S1 vs S2 when it took the nose damage from buddies and got banged up which gives it an odd sort of look where it looks fine at low shots like this onehttp://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii172/timm5252/Daytona1watermark.pngor high shotshttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5800&stc=1&d=1335067806but head on and level and it looks off and too far forward which is the way I think the grill warped or was pushed forward from the underbelly damagehttp://www.miamiviceonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5799&stc=1&d=1335067732

[jurassic narc]

so was it him who did the refits to car 4 after the show ended or was that carl himself or was that the owner before camera' date=' not carl?I mean whoever put the rowley corvette door panels on car 4 knew what they were doing as they reinforced the grab handle which has come off on other corvettes from basic wear and tear on the normal door panels along with changing up the interior so the black carpet on the back of the seats doesnt even show up anymore when the seats are in there normal position and also the interior now has a black and silver like motif that matches the new wheel spinnersalthough I'm still quite puzzled as to why the grill never got fixed/remounted nor refinished to get the shine back on it to look like it did back in 84/85 after its retirement when it sat further back in the nose before it got banged upwards and warped forward from the buddies chase scene and slightly warped on the left side and in the middle from the look of it[/quote']Where the door is concerned, there is no way to be sure who replaced it. The first owner after Carl did some things to get everything working (like replacing the HVAC controls with the Corvette ones). He also replaced the AM/FM radio and upgraded the sound system. I don't know who took off the wooden veneer, or did some of the other changes.When Carl got the car, the wood veneer, the original door panels, and the gold spinners, and the trim on the back of the seats was still in tact. I wish Carl could find any of that stuff, but he did say that his shop had recovered all the leather and carpet surfaces.As far as the grill goes, I am not sure I see the issue. Car 4's grill looks perfect as far as shape, and the dull sheen is the result of it being aluminium. The bent part in the pictures may be Car 1. But there is no replacement for the McBurnie grill, as there is nothing I have found on the market to match it. I would like to find one, even as a souvenir.JN