Thoughts on Covid 19

[wolfie1996]

6 hours ago, vicegirl85 said:

I'm not in the UK, so can't speak to some of your questions/ statements.  A few answers:

Some people are cancelling their second shot because they are upset or concerned about normal side effects such as arm soreness, fatigue, fever, upset stomach, etc.  Others believe that one shot should be enough, and there is debate within the medical community over whether the degree of immunity conferred with one shot of the mRNA vaccines is enough.  People in some cases are fearful due to the reported serious events that have occurred.  Those events are concerning, but there have not been widespread serious side effects associated with any of the vaccines. There are different reasons for different people.  However, the manufacturers developed the vaccines, and the studies that were performed, were based on a 2-shot regime.  The second shot "boosts" the body's ability to respond to the virus.

I'm not sure what you're talking about here.  PCR tests used in the US are considered the gold standard of diagnostic tests for COVID-19.  A person can be infected without having symptoms (being ill).  But, not too many people get tested unless they are having symptoms, unless it is a test required before surgery or before/ after traveling.

I have not heard of this happening.  But also, it's one thing if the person had a positive test and was symptomatic/ ill, and another thing if no symptoms were present.  The infectious period is considered to be 14 days, but if a person was still ill and symptomatic after 28 days, or had a condition such as kidney, heart, or respiratory failure as a result of COVID-19 infection, a death after that time could still be attributed to COVID.  There was quite a bit of rumor at one point earlier in the pandemic about COVID-19 being listed as cause of death in cases where it could not be demonstrated, but I am doubtful that was actually a widespread problem.

I don't believe any information about COVID-19--true or false--has been gratefully accepted without question.

I believe some cities, states, and countries have had stricter restrictions than I have seen here (upper-South of the US).  The fact is that the earlier "lockdowns" did help prevent the healthcare system from being completely overloaded, at least in some places.  Elective surgeries were postponed for up to 2 months.  As you mentioned earlier, some hospitals didn't see a big influx of COVID patients and staff were furloughed due to low census, even nurses.  Other hospitals were overrun (just as we are seeing with India at the moment) and were desperate to hire nurses to care for the hordes of COVID patients.  PPE for the doctors, nurses, housekeepers, etc., who were caring for the patients, was in short supply.  No one, at the time, could be certain what the means of transmission was.  It was believed to be respiratory, because of symptoms, so infectious disease experts urged the public to save medical masks for healthcare workers, who needed to be in close proximity to these sick patients.  It's true that people in many parts of Asia commonly wore masks when in public, so many people thought that they could protect themselves that way.  In the parts of Asia where that is common though, it's more because of pollution in cities.  As time passed, the infectious disease experts changed their minds--remember this was a new disease and we were all learning.  Even healthcare workers, who originally were discouraged from wearing masks unless working directly with a patient whose condition was transmitted by the respiratory route, were encouraged and even required to wear a mask from the time they entered the hospital until they left for the day.  Several studies have been done that demonstrated that even a cloth mask will stop transmission of a large amount of respiratory droplets.  The COVID-19 virus can also spread by the airborne route when tiny particles containing the virus remain suspended in the air.  Reducing the density of crowds will help a person to avoid this situation, and wearing a cloth mask will trap the vapor droplets we expel with talking, singing, breathing, etc., therefore preventing many of the particles from escaping and becoming airborne.

This was done in some places in the US as well.  The early crush of the pandemic in Italy and in New York City was a warning siren, and public health authorities didn't want to be caught unprepared.  Some temporary hospitals that were built in China were used for several months.  The two that were in my state were not used, either.  They were put together inside of large stadiums, and were later taken out of service, beds and equipment moved out, etc.  I would rather have had it and not needed it, than to need it and not have it.  

Thankfully, although I don't feel the US response was very coordinated, the restrictions and protective measures that were taken, slowed the spread enough initially that we were able to learn and do better as time passed (in treating patients and in understanding how the disease is spread).

This is a very interesting situation.  Around the world, when the pandemic of COVID-19 hit, the incidence of flu dropped, particularly when people began staying home, masking in public, and washing hands more frequently.  Flu incidence dropped like a rock.  The 2019-2020 flu season was going along as usual until March or so, and then bam!  Dropped to almost nothing.  Pandemic restrictions were already in place when the 2020-21 flu season began in October in the Northern Hemisphere.  Very, very low incidence of flu this past season--March 31 is considered the official "end" of flu season (Northern Hemisphere again), although there may be the odd case even in July and August.  

It is currently not known if the masking, reduced crowds, etc. caused the low flu incidence, or if the dominant virus (COVID-19) suppressed expression of the flu virus.  I also read recently that flu vaccination incidence was higher than normal for the past flu season.  So there could be several things affecting flu incidence this year.  Infectious disease specialists are studying the phenomenon, although it probably won't be possible to get direct answers, since it's not possible to control all variables. 

Sorry to take up so much space on the forum for this off-topic subject, but as an infection control nurse for the past 10 years, COVID-19 took over my life in the past year.  I retired March 1, but still keep up by daily reading.  However, I'm glad to be out of the day-to-day trenches.

I'm sorry but you won't  convince me, vicegirl. Too many illogicalities, too many inconsistencies, too much evidence of politicians actually working in unison (and I've never seen that happen in the UK before- it certainly means there's been literally no opposition to what's an effective dictatorship) Too much making so called emergency legislation last 15 months so far (and counting. ) All 300 pages of that emergency legislation were knocked up apparently overnight (as you  do). Talk about "here's one I prepared earlier"! and all I can say is that it's a bloody long emergency. It's absolutely true about this ridiculous categorisation of covid deaths  even if the only "evidence " they have is that  someone had an extremely unreliable covid test  28 days before (this is even being admitted now and they've reduced the figures by 25%! did you know that? though by 95% would be nearer the mark. No autopsies were ever allowed of course.) If you die because you broke your neck or got run over by a bus or from untreated cancer you did NOT die of covid. I'd have thought as a nurse you'd appreciate such a difference. You can look up the unreliability of the PCR test, it can be manipulated to show anything you like, actually,  and has been! Oh look there's been a drop since lockdown! Oh look, another "surge" after Christmas! This virus has a 99%+ survival rate, probably actual flu is worse. The public has been scared into compliance to any ridiculous demand beyond the government's wildest dreams. "Vaccines" have been dangled as a carrot to get people back to what they think will be normal life but it's obvious that this will never be the intention. I don't know  anyone who's ever had an attack of  even a mild version of this disease and I know no one  who's died, neither does anyone I know. It was a complete con last year (certainly here) when they were trying to panic people saying hospitals were over run, using what were  later proved to be fake photos in the press. I was in various hospitals including several visits to A&E and it was utterly deserted. Some photos of India come from the results of a gas leak last year. Ask yourself why governments would do this. They don't have your  welfare at heart you know, and would certainly throw vast swathes of the electorate under a bus to achieve what they want. That's  any government of  any political colour. Why do you think they  want to be elected? Not through altruism. Most people have preconceived ideas about their governments , medical personnel, police etc and it's natural to trust what such bodies say. And very UNCOMFORTABLE to start having doubts about the whole thing. That's called cognitive dissonance. Tell you  what, when bodies are piling up in the streets following Texas and Florida relaxing the rules, when our hospitals are once again "overwhelmed"  after that million( unmasked )people protest in London last week, let me know. It hasn't happened yet. Oh and let me know when flu reappears. All I'm saying is don't accept the narrative. Try to look at things objectively and in a critical fashion. Have the "vaccine" by all means if that's what you want but accept there is evidence to show all isn't what it seems.

[vicegirl85]

If you don't know anyone who's had COVID-19, nor anyone who died--nor does anyone you know--you might want to hold comment.  I do know people who have had it, including my brother and my son-in-law (neither required hospitalization), and a number of my hospital coworkers; and people who have most definitely died from it after being critically ill, hospitalized, and on a mechanical ventilator for varying periods of time.

Thanks for sharing your opinions.  Peace, out.

Edited April 29, 2021 by vicegirl85

[wolfie1996]

13 minutes ago, vicegirl85 said:

If you don't know anyone who's had COVID-19, nor anyone who died--nor does anyone you know--you might want to hold comment.  I do know people who have had it, including my brother and my son-in-law (neither required hospitalization), and a number of my hospital coworkers; and people who have most definitely died from it after being critically ill, hospitalized, and on a mechanical ventilator for varying periods of time.

Thanks for sharing your opinions.  Peace, out.

Well no, actually I don't wish to withhold comment as mine are as valid as yours. Nothing I've said is a lie or a misrepresentation. If you'd like to point out anything that is, please feel free to. I'm quite sure you yourself make comments on things you may not have personal experience of. I do have personal knowledge of how the UK  government has behaved, which has been atrociously and in a deceitful, manipulative and disgusting manner for the last 15 months. A million people who agree with me felt strongly enough about it to travel to London and march last Saturday. I sincerely hope that more will be at the next demo.

[vicegirl85]

Peace, out.

[Ferrariman]

7 hours ago, wolfie1996 said:

 All I'm saying is don't accept the narrative. Try to look at things objectively and in a critical fashion. Have the "vaccine" by all means if that's what you want but accept there is evidence to show all isn't what it seems.

I agree it's always good to question authority.   I don't doubt some of your facts and I'm not looking to start an argument but I will say that a lot of what you say sounds like classic conspiracy theories. 

...and yes, I've had my 1st shot and will be there to get the 2nd one.

 

[pahonu]

8 hours ago, wolfie1996 said:

I'm sorry but you won't  convince me, vicegirl. Too many illogicalities, too many inconsistencies, too much evidence of politicians actually working in unison (and I've never seen that happen in the UK before- it certainly means there's been literally no opposition to what's an effective dictatorship) Too much making so called emergency legislation last 15 months so far (and counting. ) All 300 pages of that emergency legislation were knocked up apparently overnight (as you  do). Talk about "here's one I prepared earlier"! and all I can say is that it's a bloody long emergency. It's absolutely true about this ridiculous categorisation of covid deaths  even if the only "evidence " they have is that  someone had an extremely unreliable covid test  28 days before (this is even being admitted now and they've reduced the figures by 25%! did you know that? though by 95% would be nearer the mark. No autopsies were ever allowed of course.) If you die because you broke your neck or got run over by a bus or from untreated cancer you did NOT die of covid. I'd have thought as a nurse you'd appreciate such a difference. You can look up the unreliability of the PCR test, it can be manipulated to show anything you like, actually,  and has been! Oh look there's been a drop since lockdown! Oh look, another "surge" after Christmas! This virus has a 99%+ survival rate, probably actual flu is worse. The public has been scared into compliance to any ridiculous demand beyond the government's wildest dreams. "Vaccines" have been dangled as a carrot to get people back to what they think will be normal life but it's obvious that this will never be the intention. I don't know  anyone who's ever had an attack of  even a mild version of this disease and I know no one  who's died, neither does anyone I know. It was a complete con last year (certainly here) when they were trying to panic people saying hospitals were over run, using what were  later proved to be fake photos in the press. I was in various hospitals including several visits to A&E and it was utterly deserted. Some photos of India come from the results of a gas leak last year. Ask yourself why governments would do this. They don't have your  welfare at heart you know, and would certainly throw vast swathes of the electorate under a bus to achieve what they want. That's  any government of  any political colour. Why do you think they  want to be elected? Not through altruism. Most people have preconceived ideas about their governments , medical personnel, police etc and it's natural to trust what such bodies say. And very UNCOMFORTABLE to start having doubts about the whole thing. That's called cognitive dissonance. Tell you  what, when bodies are piling up in the streets following Texas and Florida relaxing the rules, when our hospitals are once again "overwhelmed"  after that million( unmasked )people protest in London last week, let me know. It hasn't happened yet. Oh and let me know when flu reappears. All I'm saying is don't accept the narrative. Try to look at things objectively and in a critical fashion. Have the "vaccine" by all means if that's what you want but accept there is evidence to show all isn't what it seems.

I have a hard time finding anything meaningful in a post that begins by stating that you you can’t be convinced and then asks Vicegirl85 to look at things objectively.  Sorry, but that deeply flawed thinking speaks for itself.  

[Christine]

vor 21 Stunden schrieb vicegirl85:

To add to my comments from yesterday:  initially it was hypothesized that the TTS clotting problem (seen in a few people vaccinated with the J&J vaccine) might have been related to concurrent use of medications that are known to have association with blood clotting, such as birth control pills.  Upon investigation, this was not determined to be a factor.  However: 

The only thing I noticed in connection with cerebral venous thrombosis was that all the patients, as far as it was known, were women of an age when many were taking the contraceptive pill. But if you say that the studies show that there is no connection, I have to believe that.

vor 21 Stunden schrieb vicegirl85:

This might sound like a load of meaningless medical jargon!  But what I want to stress is that if a person has a history of an auto-immune response to a heparin blood-thinning product that caused low production of thrombocytes (one of the type of blood cells involved in clotting), consult with your healthcare provider for recommendations on COVID-19 vaccines.

I think that according to the current studies and experiences, this will happen anyway. There is a point in the consent form where you have to state what pre-existing conditions and allergies you have and what medications you are taking. At the latest at this point, one would have to react in the vaccination center if someone states to have a corresponding autoimmune disease.
This will be even better when all general practitioners can finally vaccinate. They know their patients better and know from the outset which vaccine is suitable.

 

[wolfie1996]

14 minutes ago, Ferrariman said:

I agree it's always good to question authority.   I don't doubt some of your facts and I'm not looking to start an argument but I will say that a lot of what you say sounds like classic conspiracy theories. 

...and yes, I've had my 1st shot and will be there to get the 2nd one.

 

You don't doubt some of what I say..but a lot sounds like "classic conspiracy theories" , does it? Would you like to specify which parts. Ferrariman? You can't make an accusation like that without without expecting me to reply. Let's hear it, preferably without the generalisations. And I'm not bothered who has the vaccine, as I've already said, so you've no need to make your stance clear by declaring it.

[vicegirl85]

3 minutes ago, Christine said:

The only thing I noticed in connection with cerebral venous thrombosis was that all the patients, as far as it was known, were women of an age when many were taking the contraceptive pill. But if you say that the studies show that there is no connection, I have to believe that.

I thought the same when I first read about it, which was why I said originally that if I was in that age group and on the pill, I would try to choose another vaccine.  However, upon further study, the particular clotting issue that occurred apparently was not believed to be related to contraceptive use or hormonally mediated clotting responses. 

[Christine]

vor 7 Minuten schrieb vicegirl85:

I thought the same when I first read about it, which was why I said originally that if I was in that age group and on the pill, I would try to choose another vaccine.  However, upon further study, the particular clotting issue that occurred apparently was not believed to be related to contraceptive use or hormonally mediated clotting responses. 

I think the next time I have to go to the vaccination center they will offer me Biontech. The doctor who performs our Covid - Tests twice a week said that the ones who had received Astrazenica first can choose which vaccination they want the second time. I think I´ll decide for Biontech.

Edited April 29, 2021 by Christine

[Ferrariman]

35 minutes ago, wolfie1996 said:

You don't doubt some of what I say..but a lot sounds like "classic conspiracy theories" , does it? Would you like to specify which parts. Ferrariman? You can't make an accusation like that without without expecting me to reply. Let's hear it, preferably without the generalisations. 

India is using stock footage of gas leaks to scare people?  Fake photos of hospital ER's being overrun? Really?  Let's get Mulder and Scully on the case. 

[wolfie1996]

30 minutes ago, Ferrariman said:

India is using stock footage of gas leaks to scare people?  Fake photos of hospital ER's being overrun? Really?  Let's get Mulder and Scully on the case. 

https://www.sgtreport.com/2021/04/the-who-confirms-that-the-covid-19-pcr-test-is-flawed-estimates-of-positive-cases-are-meaningless-the-lockdown-has-no-scientific-basis/     Here's one for you.

[Christine]

vor 38 Minuten schrieb Ferrariman:

India is using stock footage of gas leaks to scare people?  Fake photos of hospital ER's being overrun? Really?  Let's get Mulder and Scully on the case. 

I agree, Lou, and I also do not think that these photos are fake. When the virus was so bad in China back then, someone recorded what was going on in various hospitals with a hidden camera. My son had seen the reportage of a serious TV station and was shocked. He told me about it. There were dead bodies lying next to seriously ill and dying people in the corridors, and corpses were being thrown onto trucks outside because they didn't know where to put them.  
Officially, China would not have admitted at the time that it was so bad, but these pictures were real.

 

[Ferrariman]

3 hours ago, wolfie1996 said:

https://www.sgtreport.com/2021/04/the-who-confirms-that-the-covid-19-pcr-test-is-flawed-estimates-of-positive-cases-are-meaningless-the-lockdown-has-no-scientific-basis/     Here's one for you.

The link has been removed. What a surprise.

[Ferrariman]

1 hour ago, Christine said:

I think the next time I have to go to the vaccination center they will offer me Biontech. The doctor who performs our Covid - Tests twice a week said that the ones who had received Astrazenica first can choose which vaccination they want the second time. I think I´ll decide for Biontech.

That's interesting.  My wife and I received our 1st shot of AstraZeneca about a week ago.  Nothing was said about being able to get a different vaccine for the 2nd shot. AZ has been approved in Canada and Mexico but not yet in the U.S.   We also have a lot of it so it has been the vaccine of choice if you want to get it done quickly at your local pharmacy. Here in Toronto, if you want Pfizer or Moderna you have to register online for an appointment, which is almost impossible.  There are also numerous pop up clinics around the city.  The morning news will tell you where they are and depending on your postal code you can go stand in line for hours to "maybe" get a shot.    For this reason we chose to go the AZ route. Registered online at our local pharmacy, got appointments the very next day and to quote Tubbs, it was "in, out, wham , bam , boom, done!"

[Dadrian]

My wife is the DO of a local surgery center, so she was required to be vaccinated. Thus, it was available to me as her spouse. We’ve both had both rounds of the Moderna, all with only “the day after” normal reactions. I will say: I am very interested to see how all this vaccine “news” unfolds on a world-wide basis over the next few years...

[vicegirl85]

I don't know how it's working in other countries (outside of the US).   But I have seen some speculation and theorizing from legitimate medical sources that some infectious disease experts believe that the use of 2 vaccines that work by different modalities could possibly offer enhanced immunity to the vaccinated person in relation to some of the variants that have emerged.  So it's not unbelievable that people could be offered a choice on the second shot.

With the concerns around blood clotting (as well as cases where people turned out to be allergic to a vaccine ingredient (they are screened for this before receiving a shot)), I believe this is one reason why some are now being offered a choice of which brand of vaccine to take for the second shot.  For the most part these people are probably part of a group that may have a risk factor based on age, sex, or auto-immune thrombocytopenia.  

Generally speaking, for medications, medical equipment, etc., following manufacturer's instructions for use (IFU) is considered the path of safety and getting the optimum benefit from the product.  In the case of equipment (doesn't necessarily apply to medications), following the IFU maintains any warranty, etc.  The vaccine manufacturers have designed the current vaccines to work as a pair of shots that are both the same.  Of course in trials, there wouldn't have been an opportunity to mix brands and test for efficacy--particularly in the urgent timeframe.   Likewise there wasn't an opportunity to test efficacy with different intervals between shots.  So now, in part due to supply and distribution issues that slowed the initial vaccine rollout, some of these variables of the time interval and the mixing of brands have been put into effect.

It will be interesting to follow the results.  At this time I believe it's too early to call the optimum process, but from the information we do have, all of the currently approved vaccines are very effective in preventing serious illness, hospitalizations, and death from COVID-19.  The COVID variants that have been identified so far also seem to be suppressed (for serious illness) by the available vaccines.  For this I'm very thankful!    

[Eillio Martin Imbasciati]

8 minutes ago, Dadrian said:

My wife is the DO of a local surgery center, so she was required to be vaccinated. Thus, it was available to me as her spouse. We’ve both had both rounds of the Moderna, all with only “the day after” normal reactions. I will say: I am very interested to see how all this vaccine “news” unfolds on a world-wide basis over the next few years...

Yeah, we'll likely have more of the story in a few years; right now things are still developing.

[Christine]

vor 32 Minuten schrieb Ferrariman:

That's interesting.  My wife and I received our 1st shot of AstraZeneca about a week ago.  Nothing was said about being able to get a different vaccine for the 2nd shot. AZ has been approved in Canada and Mexico but not yet in the U.S.   We also have a lot of it so it has been the vaccine of choice if you want to get it done quickly at your local pharmacy. Here in Toronto, if you want Pfizer or Moderna you have to register online for an appointment, which is almost impossible.  There are also numerous pop up clinics around the city.  The morning news will tell you where they are and depending on your postal code you can go stand in line for hours to "maybe" get a shot.    For this reason we chose to go the AZ route. Registered online at our local pharmacy, got appointments the very next day and to quote Tubbs, it was "in, out, wham , bam , boom, done!"

That's different here in Germany. There are fixed vaccination centers. The one responsible for me is in Gummersbach, the county seat of the Oberberg district where I live. 
Until now, vaccinations were based on age. They started with everyone over eighty, then came the seventy-five to eighty-year-olds ... 
People are informed in writing through the health department and can dial a phone number (just as impossible to get through as yours) or register through the internet (hooray for relatives who know technology ). Then they get the initial appointment and right on vaccination day the one for the second vaccination.
Until the end of February, everyone over 64 got Biontech because they said AstraZenica could only be given to people up to 64. So I got it and so did two of my children who work in disability services.

Shortly after my son was vaccinated, they suddenly said AstraZenica could only be given to people over 60, but anyone who is younger, has already had the first dose and insists on it, can still have it for the second vaccination.
Apart from that, you don't have a free choice in Germany at the moment either, because less vaccine was delivered to us than was ordered. A court case is currently underway against AstraZenica because they have delivered only a quarter of the order so far.

[Christine]

vor 17 Minuten schrieb vicegirl85:

It will be interesting to follow the results.  At this time I believe it's too early to call the optimum process, but from the information we do have, all of the currently approved vaccines are very effective in preventing serious illness, hospitalizations, and death from COVID-19.  The COVID variants that have been identified so far also seem to be suppressed (for serious illness) by the available vaccines.  For this I'm very thankful!    

Not far from me, an event now occurred that astonished many. In a nursing facility, eighteen patients fell ill with Corona, fifteen of them were completely vaccinated. One 77 year old woman (however, she had very severe pre-existing conditions) died due to Corona. 
Such cases show, of course, that even with vaccination there is no 100% certainty and illnesses as well as deaths are still possible. However, it should be decidedly less than without vaccination, similar to the flu vaccination. It also does not necessarily prevent the disease, but ensures a milder course.

[vicegirl85]

37 minutes ago, Christine said:

Not far from me, an event now occurred that astonished many. In a nursing facility, eighteen patients fell ill with Corona, fifteen of them were completely vaccinated. One 77 year old woman (however, she had very severe pre-existing conditions) died due to Corona. 

This is very sad!  Something similar occurred recently in my state (I don't know where the facility was located, but it has been reported in the medical press by the CDC--and later also reported in the mainstream press).  One employee who had not been vaccinated worked after becoming symptomatic with a more transmissible variant of COVID-19.  90% of residents (patients) out of 83 total, and 53% of the staff had been vaccinated.  26 residents and 20 staff became ill, too, after this staff member was identified as the index case. 

Most of the new cases were mild or even not symptomatic--so evidently their vaccines had protected them--but 1 vaccinated resident and 2 unvaccinated residents died, and 6 residents were hospitalized.  The articles I read didn't detail any of the residents' pre-existing conditions, nor did it mention reasons that any residents or staff members had not been vaccinated.  Healthcare workers are supposed to be screened daily for temperature and symptoms, so I don't know if this staffer had been screened or if he or she was allowed to work when symptomatic.  

[Christine]

vor 7 Minuten schrieb vicegirl85:

 Healthcare workers are supposed to be screened daily for temperature and symptoms, so I don't know if this staffer had been screened or if he or she was allowed to work when symptomatic.  

We are only tested twice a week, but we have to sign daily that we´re free of symptoms. At the end of our shift we have to sign that all of our patients are also free of symptoms. 

Our temperature is not taken, but we are all encouraged to stay home as soon as cold symptoms appear or other, worse symptoms (loss of taste and smell) that are clear signs of a Covid illness.
Unfortunately, there are always unreasonable people everywhere who ignore their symptoms and go to work anyway.
In the second wave in the fall, a family in the Cologne area tested positive and was sent into quarantine. However, they ignored the order, had contact with many people in the ten-family house where they lived. After a few days, someone from the health department came to check, noticed what was going on and the whole house had to be tested and sent into quarantine.

[Ferrariman]

1 hour ago, Christine said:

Until now, vaccinations were based on age. They started with everyone over eighty, then came the seventy-five to eighty-year-olds ... 

Same thing here and then they eventually opened it up for anyone that wants a shot.  So far the only people not able to get a vaccination are children. 

[vicegirl85]

Yes, vaccination is now open here to everyone aged 16 and up, effective about 2 weeks ago.

[pahonu]

8 minutes ago, Ferrariman said:

Same thing here and then they eventually opened it up for anyone that wants a shot.  So far the only people not able to get a vaccination are children. 

California opened up vaccinations for everyone 16+ recently.  I’m excited because several of my students are already getting their second shots.  I teach largely high school juniors and seniors, with a large percent being Latino.  Their group was hit hard by the pandemic this winter in the LA area.  I’ve had four students that I know of miss class to attend funerals for family, including a girl who lost both grandparents a few days apart.