Calling all Detectives: Group effort

[365partycar]

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[365partycar]

Hi from south floridaI searched every where in 2002 and could not find that house .. But I did spend a night at the at HQ Gold coast shipping

Good idea Charlie. Have been looking for this spot for a while. I doubt that the house itself exists anymore but the distinctive neighborhood might. The background is probably water but might be a park or playground which would account for the darkness.

[Matt5]

I searched every where in 2002 and could not find that house .. But I did spend a night at the at HQ Gold coast shipping

Just before it was torn down in early 2004

[Crockettt]

I searched every where in 2002 and could not find that house .. But I did spend a night at the at HQ Gold coast shipping

You were inside HQ Gold coast shipping ? Do you have any photos?

[C Glide]

I just went thru the entire thread and gathered up information to summarize the investigations thus far, to help keep things organized and running effectively. I hope it does that at least it may be of some help.Cold Case 1 was solved.:thumbsup:Cold Case 2 was solved. :thumbsup:Colc Case 3 remains unsolved though the general opinion remains that it is or was in the immediate downtown area. We are looking for Biscayne General Merchandise. I have copied the relevant postings. The # symbol followed by a number indicates the post number in this thread to help if you want to go back and see that posting (mainly because I did not include the pictures only text).CC3:#32Here is another one that I have not been able to find. It appears in several episodes, Give A Little, Take A Little, and Little Prince but the best view is in Florence Italy. Biscayne General Merchandise. The street number is 202. It looks ike downtown Miami but I have not been able to find it. Anyone know where it was? There is 1) a stair case visible leading out to the street to the right of the store. Very rare in Miami.2) It is on a street corner and at least the street the camera is on is one way headed to the screen's right.3) The side that is hard to see (left) has an overhang of about 7 feet.4) number is 202 on the sign if it is a real signLets see what the team can come up with.#33If the sign is real, the telephone number is likely to be real too. (though you can see only part of it)Maybe you can find an old telephone book (in a library for instance) and check the name of the store and its telephone number? ---> and find its address#34Great idea, but I already tried it. I did a reverse number look up for all 100 different numbers it could be(2 unseen digits). Zip, Zero, Zilch, Nada Nothing. I also tried Sunbiz.org which is the State of Florida's web site for checking on a business. You can look any company up by name and see their annual reports, officers names and addresses etc. No luck there either.#35As a kid I remember kind of sleazy "discount" type street side places like that in downtown Miami. I think they were South of Flagler in the neighborhood of SE 2d and 3d Avenues. On satellite it looks like those blocks have changed drastically due to new construction. I know that doesn't help but it's what I remember.#36When you look at the teaser of Florence Italy, you can see after aprox. 6 seconds a different shot of the corner. Looking into the street on the left.#39If the sign was real it should be an easy find. At least one of the "streets" is one way, it is on a corner 2 blocks from either Miami Ave or Flagler Street, and it has an even numbered address to narrow down which side of the "street" it is on. I still can't find it.#43 Pictures with increased adaptive lighting to better see the background.#46 Thanks, Charlie.I had a thought: you always say to look at the "street furniture" (lamps etc) and I was wondering whether the fire hydrant on the left would remain if the building was knocked down therefore possibly still there on the sidewalk today ... or would a different fire system have been put in? (I'm from England so it's not within my realm of knowledge!!)#47Fire hydrants normally remain even when there is construction in the area but it is not an absolute. If they are old they are sometimes replaced with a newer version but in the exact same location to save allot of work and money. Sometimes in a large scale construction project they will be moved from the sidewalk to the exterior wall of the new building. I did note that the hydrant was all yellow except the caps/covers. The painting design of a hydrant is usually an area or municipal thing but I did not recognize this pattern. My guess is 90% likely the hydrant would still be there.#48How about those red lights in the distance. They'd either be on a radio tower or a crane. Seeing as the footage is in the first season, there would have to be a crane there in 1984. Or if it's a radio tower, maybe a local tv or radio station. I haven't seen any radio towers in Google street view yet, but I'm looking. The fire hydrant, and the drain on the sidewalk right next to it could be a good way to narrow it down.#49I was on google maps' street view last night looking at the paving stones' pattern on street corners where there is a fire hydrant and I found two possible matches around 2nd street in downtown Miami - see below. All the areas around Miami seem to now have the same coloured hydrants ie all yellow.I was wondering whether any eps showed the store from another angle, i.e. not shown straight on or to the right of the screen, because then we might see more of the neighbourhood.(Sorry about the uncropped screen caps but I've done this at work!!)OK I just took a look at your second attachment, 2nd St. and 2nd Ave. I went on GE and took another look at this intersection. The number 202 would have to have been either on the south side of 2nd St. east of 2nd Ave. or on #50the west side of 2nd Ave. south of 2nd St. The 2nd Street address at first look showed promise if the used a reverse image (which they did not) but then there is a vacant lot across the street where there were two buildings in the scene. When the chase goes around the corner of 2nd Street onto 3rd Ave we see that this was a vacant lot even back in Vice days when they filmed this ep. So, I believe we can rule this intersection out.#61I just noticed that CC3 is at the corner of a one way street. It also looks like there's no traffic light there, but I can't be sure of that. Also, a digit may have been removed from the 202 the same way in CC2 a digit was removed from the Address. I'm still looking for CC3. That corner has character.#63Allot of character. Steps leading up to front doors like in NYC. Very rare in Miami.#66COLD CASE 3:Can you have a look at the picture below especially at the building on the left, the Leamington Hotel against the MV screen captures. Reading up on the hotel, it opened in 1922 & looking at the old postcard pictures on the hotel's site, the hotel hasn't had a major refit since it was constructed. The building in the lightened screencaps is three storeys high (4 if you include the street level) and appears to come to a stop possibly at a road junction. The Leamington goes around the corner of the road junction. Plus this is a one way street, heading in the same direction of the one way street in the 1980s. Looking again at the old postcard images, there is a wide band which goes around the hotel, making a wide gap up to the first floor containing bedrooms. The site is here:http://www.leamingtonhotel.com/It might be a long shot but it's worth a try. I'm having probs with my screen caps on this new laptop but this was taken of NE2nd Street/NE 3rd Avenue looking south:#68Pros: The building on the right does have an overhang of the correct size. Con: most everything else does not match but lets assume it is possible it had a major, major reconstruction other than the overhang.Pro: The first building on the left really looks good, especially ground floor. Cons: Wrong number of windows on what I will call the second floor, the wide band above the ground floor. For example the last set of windows should have 5 verticle rows. The windows above that totally do not match but that could easily be because of a face lift.The parking garage next door could be new, buillt where there was a surface lot during Vice.One of the best things going for this location is the third building on the left (second in Vice days) is the right size + shape.One of the biggest cons is address is wrong. Address is 197 3rd Ave. for our spot. Even if back then it had a 2nd Street number it would have been high 200s like 29*.Overall I think it bears closer examination. It is worthwhile to try to find older pictures of this address. If we can do that we will have an answer. Great work again!#71I've gone back onto my old laptop as it's easier to edit pics on here. Here's the screencap from google maps streetview that I tried to post yesterday of the Leamington Hotel:I have just zoomed into the second Vice screencap and where the building ends on the lefthandside of the street at what seems like the corner of an intersecting street, there is a building further down but facing the camera. If you look at my streetview, there is that building which has the partial sign "Business Review".These are enlargements of the postcards on the Leamington site#72The hotel is certainly in the right place aand looks right. It is definitely one of the stronger remaining points to say yes this is the place . You may have something here but I am just not seeing the building at the end of the street that you are. I can tell there is a high rise down the street but I am not making out any details like a lower structure.I will break out the DVD later today and see what I can come up with#73Here to add:5)Stairs leading up to a door, adjacent to a clay shingled roof.6)Overhang protrudes from the wall, but does not wrap around, so there must be two separate overhangs.7)window cover looks to be 8ft with a door next to it to enter the shop. Yellow sign above - second word is 'entrance.'Closest looking building I could find to match the one across the street is the Alfred I DuPont Building on 100 something E Flagler ST. That coincidentally would put the scene at around the 200 block. It is however too different still for me to say that that's the building. The large lower portion square shapes are similar to the building I post, but not the same. That's a feature I've focused on finding.This is what My mind has built as a shape of the scene's focus' building corner... Very New York. As a side note, you don't see clay tile downtown, but you see it everywhere in the Miami Beach area, same goes for staircases into buildings. There are a lot of similar looking buildings over there, but I couldn't find one that matches or has tall building across the street. Also, it's in a completely different area than the other street scenes from Florence Italy.Question now, is it possible that the corner Switek is standing on is that of an alley way? I kinda doubt the curb would curve around like that there, but I don't know. What worries me is that the building across the street may be demolished and the building in focus may be altered or demolished also.#76Great work. I am not 100% sure the overhang does not wrap around. I will take another look noting that there is a security cover that goes over the window when the business is closed. In our picks the business is open so the cover is elevated and attached to the overhang and could be confused with the overhang.#851. RE: Cold case 3; Here are two more captures that I modified. Maybe they will help.#89I spent a couple hours touring the higher addresses of 7th and 8th street and I think that is the area we will find CC1. CC3 may be nearby. There a combo of crappy overhangs, clay tile, and stairs. I'll keep looking though, haven't spotted anything exact yet.#90Now I see something I didn't before. The street we're looking down here is the one way. I thought it was the intersecting street that was one way. I clearly see the truck parked on the right side of the road is facing us. That may be a useful clue. Thanks for the new and brighter image, you must have just grabbed those ones, they're different.Also the square shapes on the building across the street look almost like a continuous pattern and may wrap around the entire building. WHen I look up at the top if the building where it meets the overhang, I see a dark strip just before. that makes me think we're seeing the top edge of the outside wall. Is it possible that the building is only that tall? The large square windows(?) then three levels of small windows? The three red lights in the background are really confusing. Could they be a part of the rail system? Also, with all the light the building further down the block from the big one across the street looks little. As if the dark portion at street level is the entire building. I previously though that it just had a darker lower portion, and lighter above. I'll have to keep that possibility in mind.Is the guy standing against the corner in the night shots the same guy as the one reading the paper in the day shots? Looks like the same hat even.#91I also see about what is probably 60% of the way down the street, on the right, another overhang that I get the impression is shorter like a marquis on a theater or hotel entrance.As far as the red lights go, they bother me. I had not thought of the metro-rail. could be. I think that a construction crane is the most likely but by no means an absolute.#92Taking another look at the building down on the left. The dark areas are bigger than two garage doors. It looks like a facade on the building and there appears to be a white support column right on the corner of the building between the two dark sections.I will continue the summary in the next post.

[C Glide]

CC4 is unsolved but we have a good place to check out just needing boots on the ground as stated in post #111#54ok time (really past time) to get this thread active again. We started with the Milk Run drug lab that blows up. We developed some leads but so far not solved. I will call hat cold case #1. Then we had CC2; Ross' house from Golden Triangle 1. We solved that case. Yeah! Cold Case 3 is Biscayne General Merchandise seen in multiple episodes with a street number of 202. CC3 is still open. Now I will introduce CC4:Heart Of Darkness. The rear of what is at least suppose to be (and may be)the restaurant. It is clear to me that it is on the bay but where?In the first picture I am attaching we can see some lights in the far distance (white arrow) some lights much closer but still across the water (blue arrow). Perhaps an island. What appears to me to be a moored boat with rippling water reflections in front of it (pink arrow).AS far as the building goes there is not allot there in my opinion other than the shape and proximity to the shoreline. However with screen captures where I have increased the adaptive lighting someone may recognize something.#55Tough one, not much to go on. It would be logical to think they filmed all the night scenes at the same time. Maybe they shot it close to where they shot the final scene at night at the Port Of Miami/Dodge Island? The back of the Blue Dolphin Lounge is a possibility if it existed. Restaurants don't normally have rooms with high voltage but plenty of buildings on Dodge Island have them. Perhaps the lights you see in the distance are a boat and lights along the MacArthur Causeway.#111RE: CC4; I think Trio, next door to the Crab House on the JFK Causeway in North Bay Village shows some potential but it may take boots on the ground to determine if it fits.CC5: Is partially solved. The interior of the Blue Dolphin Lounge was in the Tin Lizzie, we just need to find some old pictures that show the inside of this establishment. The exterior is still unknown.#73I communicated with a lady on Facebook who says she worked on the set of several Vice episodes and was there the night they filmed some of the scenes from HOD. She is pretty sure the "Blue Dolphin Lounge" was really the Tin Lizzie Restaurant (12500 Biscayne Blvd), and now gone, that was across from Pumpernik's. She also wrote: "I AM 100% certain that the shot of Crocket & Tubbs sitting in the car in the parking lot was the parking lot on the north side of the Tin Lizzie . . . I was there!!!" In reference to the scene where C&T meet Artie and the Porno gurus in a restaurant she wrote, "Also I'm 95% certain that the interior scene with the waiters and the girls dressed in white cocktail dresses was the scene they filmed inside the Tin Lizzie." This info, coupled with other info she provided, makes her sound like a reliable source.#77Here are two screen captures where I lightened the shadows to help id the Blue Dolphin. I see a parking garage in the bg that is large, Omni Hotel sized. I do not see pumpernik's.#78Ya it doesn't look good for the old Tin Lizzie (now occupied by Boston Market) being the establishing shot for the Blue Dolphin Lounge. I looked at the area on Google Maps and didn't see a building anything like the one that shows up in your enhanced photo. That area is a little too far from downtown to need a multi-level parking garage or high rise. However the lady is right about the parking lot being used in HOD and is therefore probably right about the interior of the Tin Lizzie being used for the meeting with C&T, Artie, and all. We know that the end scene of HOD where Tubbs gets in the limo with Artie and Kovics and his wire malfunctions started here. This makes her a credible source. That area is close to the studio and was used numerous times. Right next door is the old "Commercial Bank" building that we see behind Tubbs in "French Twist" as he races to the hospital to find Cindy who snuck out while he was babysitting. A clip showing that block was seen twice in "Deliver Us From Evil."#79Absolutely sounds like a great new source of information. I think it will only get better if we can further engage them. I say this because it has been some time since Vice filmed and therefore it may take some discussions to clearify the memory.I am a little doubtful that Tin Lizzy was used as the meeting restaurant in HOD. I believe that though renovated the Boston Market building is the same basic structure that was the Tin Lizzy building. To me this building is too small to have housed the restaurant we see in HOD. I will go back and watch the scene again but I don't see it. One thing that is clear is this thread is active again and that will definitely lead to cases being solved.#80I remembered that we see a great shot of Pumpernik's in Lady In Cement. I went and grabed this screen capture from my web site. It was filmed in 1968 and shows the Tin Lizzy as a lounge with a completely different building than what is on the site now. Thought it was of interest and maybe helpful. I will plug the movie in and see if there is a better view of the lounge.#81There was a better shot of the aea from 1968;#82Maybe hard to read sign but it was the Motel Rancher. I have not found much on it other than it was a cabaret Lounge and the owner did 3 months punking with the brothers up in steel town for bribing an IRS Agent.#104Fantastic job finding the exploding lab house Charlie- never lost faith that it would be found but a few doubts were starting to creep in.Ref CC5 I think we can call the interior bar scene at the end of HOD found. The FB lady I mentioned is a retired cop who grew up in North Miami and worked there for over 20 years. She worked security for this episode among others and several movies made in Miami. She wrote: "My dad knew the owner of the Tin Lizzie and we ate there often. I know for a fact that there were interior bar scenes that were filmed inside the Tin Lizzie the night I was there. A friend of mine from high school that i had not seen in a long time until that night was one of the extras." I gave her the link to watch HOD on line and she watched it for the first time in years and then wrote: "Thanks for the link to the NBC website with the classic TV episodes. I watched HoD and the interior bar scene at the end of the episode is definitely inside the Tin Lizzie . . . 100% certain of that." I looked her up on line and she seems to check out. Also we know that the Tin Lizzie's parking lot was used in HOD so it would make sense that they used the interior while there.The location of The Blue Dolphin Lounge (or the place supposed to be the Lounge) used as an establishing shot for this bar scene is still a mystery.CC6:#109I think it is time to introduce cold case 6. From the Pilot, The turtle shell tiki bar where Leon gets wacked. Believed to be Chateau Motel in Sunny Isles. 19115 Ocean Blvd. Another case that needs boots on the ground for confirmation.

[C Glide]

CC7: Castillo's wife's house#183introduce Cold Case 7:From episode 14 Golden Triangle, the home of Castillo's wife. This house is defnitely findable. 1) It is on a residential street but somewhat of a main street. I base that on seeing a yellow line painted down the center of the road which is absent in smaller, less traveled neighborhoods.2) There are houses on both sides of the street.3)The house maybe at the end of a straight section of road and it may be where the road starts to curve possibly to the east away from her house. It just looks like the road starts to curve but I could be wrong on that.4) Back then there were still allot of wooden utility poles. Here the pole in the background is concrete. Likely a money area despite no being a huge house.5) The property has a longer than average driveway with a unique shape. Like a T and F combined with the top right of the T going into/under a car port.6) There is a 1 story, single family house across the street with a driveway on the left as you look from the street.7) It is a limited view but still no hi-rises are seen in the background.#1849) Unique door if it is unchanged. My bet is it is the same but probably painted a different color, just a hunch.#18510) She opens the door and the sun is seen shimmering of the water in the backyard. This means the location is greatly narrowed down because the house is on the water.11) It also means that the house is most likely facing east (afternoon filming) or less likely west (morning filming). My bet is the front faces east and when she opens the door we are looking thru the house to the west because they also did a night shot which makes it all one trip. They did not generally start shooting early enough for sunrise shots but late hours were common enough.12) In the shot of C+T nothing is seen in the bg. No hi-rises, etc#18613) It appears the house is set way back on the property toward the water which I think is not the norm. Most people prefer a large private backyard to a more public front yard but in this case the house seems to be on the rear 30% of the lot while the front yard consist of about the first 70% of the property.#18714) There is a sailboat in the back either moored or docked I cannot tell but it is close to the house if it is moored.15) the shallow back yard consist almost entirely of a swimming pool. I don't remember if I saw that before but the mast of the sailboat is clearly reflected in the pool.16) must be bay because both night and day shots have shown calm water. No ocean waves. No beach in back.17) There are only two small single lights in the background. It is very rare not to have anything visible in background.#188Don't know if this will help but I think this is one of the locations airtommy searched for on his last trip to Miami. It was his search and he had all the clues. I remember all the houses in the community were on canals or inlets and it was somewhere north of 79th Street. We didn't find it.#189I remember thinking at one point the water was narrow like a wide canal and not the open bay but as I looked at it this time I did not get that same feeling. From your post it seems that You or Airtommy or both believe it may be on a canal. Is that right?#190This was his search and I was basically just the driver. Also this was several years ago. He had spotted an area on google Earth N. of Miami that he thought was promising and wanted to check it out. I found an airtommy post from Dec 07 about Castillo's wife's house which might be interesting: "I thought perhaps they used Castillo's house for this scene, but the house across the way isn't right. I looked around that area, but came upo with nothing.The plain architecture (especially the houses across the street) makes me think of Key Biscayne. However, I scanned that island and found nothing. The roof looks mostly flat, which is unique.I also looked at the Sunset Islands, Venetians, Star, Hibiscus, Palm - nothing."#191Thank you. Every little bit helps. I have looked in all those places and more today to no avail. I basically scanned the whole Miami and Miami Beach coast and then canals for locations that had deep enough yards (not Many that don't have much larger houses.) with the house located at the back of the yard and then the few areas that met that criteria I looked at the drive and roof line. Nothing. I shall continue. I covered the whole area except the canals around coconut Grove which I will try now.#192My best guess is that the house is somewhere near Castillo's house, eg in the southern Coconut Grove area at a canal. That makes sense from a location logistics perspective of this episode and fit to the vibes of the location. Going by the pictures, I doubt that the house has a big front yard. what seems to be a front yard is most likely a curved access street for the local community traffic like it is the end of a street on an island or at a canal.#193I am not sure I fully understand. Do you feel that the house is at the end of a cul-de-sac or dead end street? The driveway looks like it is at least 70 feet long to me and I am having trouble visualizing how the dead end street would make the front yard smaller. Logistics would have either Castillo's area or Key Biscayne make allot of sense though I think the scene was most likely filmed in the afternoon which reduces the likelyhood of Coconut Grove. How long would you say the driveway is?#194I feel that the curved driveway is not a private one, but also leading to another house on the right side of May Yings house. Thus, I think it is more an access road that (after the curve) runs parallel to the main road with the yellow middle-line that can be seen behind Castillo when he is approaching the house (the camera is between him and the house). As to the length: I would estimate between 70-100 feet. I thought I found a similar pattern at Prado Bvd south of Sunrise Ave, but no luck there.#195I see what you are saying. It is possible but my hunch is still a private drive with perhaps an elongated u shaped drive or just a parking space off to the right. I am not so sure the roof line will be the same because it is very possible that the ends of the top roof were placed on as ornaments just for the show. Another thing that troubles me is the lack of lights seen in the background. There is almost always lights in the bg even if they are far away across the bay. Possily looking out toward ocean or wooded area.#197Anyone have a 1980's aerial of Key Biscayne showing detail of S. Mashta Drive?#198Is that for this case#199Yes, Most of the houses out there are 1990's or newer having torn down the older, smaller homes. The few that still exist make me think that Key Biscayne is a likely propect. S. Mashta Dr looks out at the open bay which would explain not seeing any lights in the background. I am still looking actively in other areas but this is one of my top picks.#201I see your point, but I don't see any street pattern on S. Mashta Dr that matches the scenes. And the sun in the scenes indicates that the water is either west or east of the house, not south.#202PHOTO H could suggest the driveway is "horseshoe" shaped. And after spending several hours looking at aerial photos of the suggested location of South Mashta Drive, I would think this house has long been demolished and a new home has been built on this lot. Key Biscayne has a NO Build law, meaning no new development can take place but existing lots/homes can be built on or remodeled. I wonder if Sherry Thorup could help us with this one? http://thorup.com/memorabilia.html#204I sent Sherry a message on Facebook a couple of days ago but so far no response. First time I have tried to contact one of the Location Managers, I was hopefull she would respond because the knowledge she has first hand and that she still has the original paperwork for season 1 including copies of the call sheets. So far no response. Re: the driveway. I suspect it was a narrow u shaped drive with not allot of distance between the two "legs". The road at the west end of South Mashta Drive has changed some in shape and location since Vice filmed and houses have been built where the road and open land was. It is possible that if the home were at the west end the drive could be only half as long as it was.GE does not go back far enough to confirm or reject the location. As far as the sun goes, rumor has it that the cancellation of Miami Vice caused the earth to go off it's rocker and the earth spun off it's axis changing life forever. If not then I have no explenation and I continue to keep all options open. I suspect three possibilities: 1) The rear of the house faced open water,2) it faced a wooded /undeveloped shoreline, or 3) the angle of the camera was somewhat down and an awning or roofline restricted our view and we could not see far enough out to see lights.#205Note that the house has stairs leading up to the front door. A trait seen on Key Biscayne but rare elsewhere.#206Also, in regards to the sun. I could be mistaken but the sun seems to be shinning on the back of the house, meaning the the back of the house could face east or west, based on the angle of the sun and the pictures and the Ep.#245I spent about 2 hours last night "flying around" with the aid of google earth. I flew over the mainland and the beach from the Miami River north to 135th Street. Most of this area is not what I considered prime territory but I tried anyhow because I have failed where I thought it was so why not look elsewhere. There were some good spots like just north of the Julia Tuttle on the mainland but still I could not find it. I am again looking at the location differently. I see it as possibly not being on the open water but as I first thought years ago, on a canal. The sailboat in the background does not belong to their house but could be docked at another unseen house on the other side of the canal. Not moored or tied to an extended dock that cannot be seen. Maybe tomorrrow I will fly around South Miami.

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CC9-A: The party house from Rites of Passage. CC9-B is solved. That was the hi-rise condo at the Palace found by Pink Flaming0. #210Traynor's house in Rites of passage is worth a shot. It's similar to the Evan house on Sunset Island 2 but is located at the end of a circled drive. Interesting that we did not find it so far.#219Front view of the Traynor House (possible circular driveway) notice the steps up to the front door (Key Biscayne house?) something interesting here though, the house seems to have lots of trees and shrubbery around it, giving it a secluded look and feeling.#223I watched the episode again and it won't be easy. To keep us organized I am going to assign this the title of Cold Case 9. Then divide it into CC9-A and CC9-B based on the party house and the Apartment being two different locations. Lets say the party house is CC9-A and the apartment is CC9-B. It may seem like we are missing CC8 but I will get back to that.#227CC9-A: I also noticed that the party house has a fireplace. Very rare in Miami even in high end homes. May help confirm the house from above when combined with the driveway.#238From the interior shots at the party, Tubbs sees Valerie's sister by the upstairs balcony so we also know we are looking for a two-storied house. Outside, there are also about 5 or 6 steps up to the front door with three very tall palm trees to the lefthandside of them. These can be seen in the screencap with C&T walking up the steps.#240The whole front yard is heavily and deeply covered with vegetation. So much that you cannot see out to the street even when making the picture light..CC8 has not been posted yet it hangs in the wings.CC10 was just posted a few days ago and the postings appear w/i the last page or two. It is the search for Vanessa's house from the Great McCarthy.

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Time to introduce CC11:Mrs. Goldmans house in The Home Invaders. More is seen of the insdide than the outside but when I increased the adaptive lighting to lighten the shadows I believe we get a pretty good look at the house. Enough with all you great detectives make it findable. We see the driveway, relative size of the house and boy is it a unique design.

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Lovely house - looks like a Sunset Islands House:D

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Lovely house - looks like a Sunset Islands House:D

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[CarolineUK]

CC10:I was just taking a look at The Great McCarthy and I discovered something which leads me to introduce cold case 10. I think this one should be relatively less hard to solve for a cold case compared to some of the other seemingly impossible cases we have solved. I say this because of the "limiting factors" that I see. The location is fairly limited as to where it could be. I am talking about Vanessa's house as we see it at the end of the episode. I took a couple of screen captures and increased the adaptive lighting shedding light into the shadows. Several things appeared that make it findable" data-date=" possibly readily findable.Photo 10-A:[IMG">

http://www.sffl.comcastbiz.net/wpimages/wpc9a02cfd.pngPhoto 10-B:1) There appears to be a sizeable private boat in the background.2) The driveway goes up a man made incline toward the home.3) There is a narrow residential street that the driveway comes off of and behind it is water. It appears the road travels immediately along the waters edge.4) There is land or possibly a causeway in the background right.5) The driveway is not a cheapy but a nice and unique red colored drive.6) The drive has a unique shape as it comes off the street and then appears to exist both to the right and left.Photo 10-C:7) It appears that the front doors should be readily visible from the street and they are unique.There are limited occasions where the road runs along the water so it should be findable. I am going to fire up my google earth plane now and start looking. Study the pictures and let me know what you see and think.

C Glide - I rewatched the episode last night: when Tubbs is at Vanessa's boutique & he is trying to get a date with her, she says to him "Come to my place for lunch" then the next time you see them with Sonny & McCarthy they are getting up from a dining table. Sonny goes outside with McCarthy where they discuss business. The view from the house looks like the mangroves growing to the water. Am I right in thinking this scene takes part at her house and not McCarthy's?

[C Glide]

I always thought it was his house. She works in a clothing store so would not make enough to own a house. He runs drugs so I assumed it was his house and she was his house guest with benefits. Interesting point, worth taking another look.

[Pink Flaming0]

I just rewatched what CarolineUK is talking about and I have to say, good job Caroline!! I totally missed that. Also, Vanessa had Gifford skimming McCarthy's books (200-250,000) so she might be able to afford a house of that quality.If Mr.C.Glide doesn't mind..I'd like to introduce evidence photo's C10-D, C10-E, C10-F and C10-GPhoto C10-D Look over Tubbs shoulder, there are 2 buildings in the background.Photo C10-E Out on the boat dock at Vanessa's House. More background buildings.Photo C10-F Another angle over McCarthy's shoulder, background buildings and road?Photo C10-G This is the back of Vanessa's House.

[Tom]

I just rewatched what CarolineUK is talking about and I have to say, good job Caroline!! I totally missed that. Also, Vanessa had Gifford skimming McCarthy's books (200-250,000) so she might be able to afford a house of that quality.If Mr.C.Glide doesn't mind..I'd like to introduce evidence photo's C10-D, C10-E, C10-F and C10-GWait a minute. These pics show the party house at 28Harbor Point, Key Biscayne. I doubt that Vanessa's house at the end was filmed there.

[Matt5]

I just rewatched what CarolineUK is talking about and I have to say' date=' good job Caroline!! I totally missed that. Also' date=' Vanessa had Gifford skimming McCarthy's books (200-250,000) so she might be able to afford a house of that quality.If Mr.C.Glide doesn't mind..I'd like to introduce evidence photo's C10-D, C10-E, C10-F and C10-GWait a minute. These pics show the party house at 28Harbor Point, Key Biscayne. I doubt that Vanessa's house at the end was filmed there.[/quote'']Really interesting stuff:D

[Pink Flaming0]

I just rewatched what CarolineUK is talking about and I have to say' date=' good job Caroline!! I totally missed that. Also' date=' Vanessa had Gifford skimming McCarthy's books (200-250,000) so she might be able to afford a house of that quality.If Mr.C.Glide doesn't mind..I'd like to introduce evidence photo's C10-D, C10-E, C10-F and C10-GWait a minute. These pics show the party house at 28Harbor Point, Key Biscayne. I doubt that Vanessa's house at the end was filmed there.[/quote'']I think we can confirm this. Watch the Video!

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qPbXQtC82E

[Pink Flaming0]

The driveway and main road to the driveway is a straight road as where this house is located in a cal de sac.

[Tom]

The driveway and main road to the driveway is a straight road as where this house is located in a cal de sac.

the question is: is this the elevated entrance from the final scene of this ep? The brick-paved driveway is there as is the elevation... http://maps.google.at/maps?q=28+harbor+point+drive+key+biscayne&hl=de&ll=25.689003' date='-80.175476&spn=0.003969,0.006298&hnear=28+Harbor+Point+Dr,+Key+Biscayne,+Florida+33149,+Vereinigte+Staaten&gl=at&sqi=2&t=h&z=18&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=25.68892,-80.175462&panoid=ghYgba6fKbfzjgf0hrIE3w&cbp=12,166.96,,0,-2.15[/url'] ... but the background looking in the opposite direction has no causeway and is not as open as in the episode.http://maps.google.at/maps?q=28+harbor+point+drive+key+biscayne&hl=de&ll=25.688713,-80.175154&spn=0.003969,0.006298&hnear=28+Harbor+Point+Dr,+Key+Biscayne,+Florida+33149,+Vereinigte+Staaten&gl=at&sqi=2&t=h&vpsrc=0&layer=c&cbll=25.68892,-80.175462&panoid=ghYgba6fKbfzjgf0hrIE3w&cbp=12,57.1,,0,4.06&z=18

[C Glide]

Seems to be some confusion here at least for me. The real life location of the lunch and party were never in question, at least not for some years as we knew it was filmed at 28 Harbor Point on Key Biscayne. The only recent question was which character was suppose to be living there. The nice pictures posted by Pink Flamingo kind of confuse me because we already know this house was the location of the filming of those scenes (party lunch etc., feel free to look at this ep. on my location site). I guess the question being asked is does this house offer the opportunity that it could have also been used as Vanessa's house at the end of the episode. The answer is definitely not. Way too much does not match up. However; knowing how they like to use an area for more than one location is why I believe the area is worth looking at despite no obvious places that likely match up, Causeway etc. It is a findable location. To me the unique shape and orientation of the driveway is the most readily identifiable piece of the puzzle especially compared to the water and angle at which the drive leaves the road.

[Pink Flaming0]

... but the background looking in the opposite direction has no causeway and is not as open as in the episode.http://maps.google.at/maps?q=28+harbor+point+drive+key+biscayne&hl=de&ll=25.688713,-80.175154&spn=0.003969,0.006298&hnear=28+Harbor+Point+Dr,+Key+Biscayne,+Florida+33149,+Vereinigte+Staaten&gl=at&sqi=2&t=h&vpsrc=0&layer=c&cbll=25.68892,-80.175462&panoid=ghYgba6fKbfzjgf0hrIE3w&cbp=12,57.1,,0,4.06&z=18

Tom, it certainly has 1 of the 3 things needed to solve this but your right, no causeway can be seen. Even if the house across the street was not yet built at the time of filming, the Rickenbacher Causeway would be the one in view but I believe we would hardly see it on screen because of the distance , especially at night. The other thing I noticed is the driveway in the screen cap has a solid strip of concrete going throw it but the driveway in question does not.

[Pink Flaming0]

Seems to be some confusion here at least for me. The real life location of the lunch and party were never in question' date=' at least not for some years as we knew it was filmed at 28 Harbor Point on Key Biscayne. The only recent question was which character was suppose to be living there. The nice pictures posted by Pink Flamingo kind of confuse me because we already know this house was the location of the filming of those scenes (party lunch etc., feel free to look at this ep. on my location site). I guess the question being asked is does this house offer the opportunity that it could have also been used as Vanessa's house at the end of the episode. The answer is definitely not. Way too much does not match up. However; knowing how they like to use an area for more than one location is why I believe the area is worth looking at despite no obvious places that likely match up, Causeway etc. It is a findable location. To me the unique shape and orientation of the driveway is the most readily identifiable piece of the puzzle especially compared to the water and angle at which the drive leaves the road.[/color']

My apologize. I was under the assumption the house needed to be found as well. :oI need to pay closer attention and visit your website more often.

[C Glide]

My apologize. I was under the assumption the house needed to be found as well. :oI need to pay closer attention and visit your website more often.

No worries' date=' I think I just confused myself.[/color']

[miamijimf]

Posting this because it may help a little in the search: Just cruised slowly thru all four Sunset Islands with Streetview looking for CC9-A and CC11 with no luck. Beautiful homes but of course many are hidden by the vegetation. Also I discovered the style of most is more conventional than the homes we are looking for.

[C Glide]

Posting this because it may help a little in the search: Just cruised slowly thru all four Sunset Islands with Streetview looking for CC9-A and CC11 with no luck. Beautiful homes but of course many are hidden by the vegetation. Also I discovered the style of most is more conventional than the homes we are looking for.